Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[geraintm]

Thanks I’ll read it a bit more closely later - why didn’t you do something similar to this until I prompted you to I guess? It still feels you’ve been very whatever about your E1/elimination idk

I have been very whatever, but getting to one off elimination does make me up my effort levels a little

[geraintm]

And having the known info that I am town does give me a tiny bit more to work with than the normal just look at wagons on random people day 1

[geraintm]

3 i think are bad. those would be the ones i would be most interested in seeing gone if anyone was to go today.

who do you want to kill today

Why on earth are you asking me?

I have done nothing but sit here and say day 1s are useless, we get no good info until after night 1 with a kill and some night actions. The only reason I can have opinions on those 5 people is because I know my alignment.....but you don't so why on earth should you trust me?

Like I think there is likely to be scum in that threesome, maybe 2, but that is just me

[Dannflor]

I agree with skitter on those kitty tacky posts

[Dannflor]

VOTE: scoliosis

Back to wanting this or herta

[Val89]

VOTE: Scoliosis

E-2

Quick reminder that we might want to wait for Toto before going E-1 in case of quick hammer shenanigans.

[skitter30]

being useless is literally his default go to approach to the game at every day and i literally just lost a game to him playing the exact same way

Idk i havent played with him before
I still don't think he's scum here

[skitter30]

i remain wholly unconvinced by your herta push but I am willing to switch just for you if you ask nicely because I am trying to be a nicer person. how much confidence do you actually have that he flips mafia here

Not 100% sure but i think it's a lot more likely than scum-scol or scum-ger rn tbh

[skitter30]

I am worried that you are not at least showing a little bit of urgency in your elimination

I kinda think he was showing urgency *for him* in some.of his posting yesterday. I think *for him* he's actually trying p hard to defend himself

A lot of his posting has this vibe of incredulity that people don't recognize that this is lightyeard away from his scumgame - this is the approach he's taking to try to not get flipped

Do I have zero reading comprehension my impression was that he is just saying his behavior is completely NaI

Posts like these have that sort of 'incredulous' vibe

Spoiler:

also, i think i am a bad scum player - i get way too skittish and panicky as the game goes along and i think i am very easy to spot compared to being town. i don't think i am ever a good idea for an early kill, i think i am easily solvable as the game progresses.

VOTE: geraintm

I've decided I like my pookythebear/herta/geraintm solve the most, and I prefer this wagon because I feel reasonably confident geraintm is scum and it gives more time to figure out the other slots.

can you elaborate on how/why you are reasonably confident on geraintm

it is day 1, there is no way anyone can get a read on me, just isn't possible. and certainly at the point they claimed they were certain i was scum - i had what - 8 posts and halfof those were random votes stuff?

also his "i become readable over time" is kind of bullshit since he literally won at endgame viewtopic.php?p=13483106#p13483106

by barely playing the entire game.

I am 90% sure if people take time to look at my posts over a game I can easily be spotted as scum. I know my posts (and votes) are different as scum and I can't help it.
I have zero idea why people struggle to spot me as scum.

There is no way I should ever be allowed to get to an end game any more without being checked, last game I begged and begged for people to look over me early doors so I wouldn't be a problem later.

[skitter30]

You don’t think this could mean Kitty is scum and gera is town…?

Ok if kitty is scum
Amd gera is town

Why does kitty make 892, or even pursue this stance at all if it looks like gera is close to getting flipped and he knows he'll look bad afterwards

?

[skitter30]

My new scumteam is like Dannflor KittyTacky Herta (???)

Wait what?
How do dannflor/kitty work with herta

Why is dannflor switching between gera/scol, he shouldnt care if he's scum

And also why does kitty care so much abt whether or not we flip gera?

[skitter30]

VOTE: Scoliosis

E-2

Quick reminder that we might want to wait for Toto before going E-1 in case of quick hammer shenanigans.

VOTE: scoliosis

Back to wanting this or herta

Still want hera more ^

[Dannflor]

what is your stance on scoliosis rnow skitter

[innocentvillager]

My new scumteam is like Dannflor KittyTacky Herta (???)

Wait what?
How do dannflor/kitty work with herta

Why is dannflor switching between gera/scol, he shouldnt care if he's scum

And also why does kitty care so much abt whether or not we flip gera?

Posturing for Dann because exactly because he doesn’t care who flips

Whiteknighting for Kitty/maybe he felt locked into this read for whatever reason so just wants towncred idk

At that point it seemed reasonably likely gera was going through

Not saying I have any remote confidence in any of these scum but it’s just a gut shot

[innocentvillager]

You don’t think this could mean Kitty is scum and gera is town…?

Ok if kitty is scum
Amd gera is town

Why does kitty make 892, or even pursue this stance at all if it looks like gera is close to getting flipped and he knows he'll look bad afterwards

?

Why would he look bad after defending a greenflip..?

[innocentvillager]

He said he knew he would look bad IF geraint flipped scum which in thsi hypothetical scenario geraint doesn’t flip scum

[innocentvillager]

I agree with you that gera and Kitty are unlikely to be scum together

[Toto]

I dont really get why Gera would townread Scol "because he is overconfident town and not going to burn himself up here"

Diverting Scol's wagon to Gera (the most likely counterwagon at that point in the game) seems exactly what scum would do in that situation.

[Toto]

From my point of view there’s no doubt that geraintm will flip scum. He is active now that his slot is on the line, and as soon as attention drifts elsewhere he will disappear again. I have nothing to add except that I urge anyone who is conflicted about geraintm to review some of his scum games and see for yourself that this is a very surface level iteration of his usual scum tactics.

Back in my 572 I said I strongly disliked your playstyle day 1.

This post just merely confirms it. "No doubt I will flip scum"!

I don't have you as scum though, I think I have you as town leaning, as scum you would not burn youtself this much trying to eliminate me. I'm not worth the effort.

[Toto]

Post lacks the paranoia I would expect from town.

[unwnd]

BTW I am fine with hammering Scol

UNVOTE:

[Toto]

Are you townreading Gera then?

[innocentvillager]

I’m kind of surprised at how quickly the geraint wagon evaporated tbh

[unwnd]

Maybe just a little bit. That 'little bit' is not credible enough in my mind though. I think what went through my mind as the wagon formed on him is 'ok, who is bussing them' and I felt like the behavior surrounding his disposition made him out to be an island. Meaning, I didn't really see any potential scum mates either 1) distancing from him 2) trying to look better if he goes over.

[Toto]

yeah but assuming scum are not busing already (whiich would be rare) how do they accomplish #1 while at the same time not voting them?