OPEN 868 - Nobility and the Dark Angel | Endgame

[MathBlade]

I'll try to catch up best I can this weekend (prolly sunday) but for today give me the tldr

Sorry I just blanked thought you were done til weekend

[Herta]

And actually if you heal me, I get two votes tomorrow right, so I think that's okay.

Nobles don't work in Elo. Just in case.

You're right I forgot about that.

[MathBlade]

Hidden nobles: eiralox, enchant, PBE
Elected nobles: Mathblade (Tapio), Not_Mafia
Not nobled: Herta, Meg

Assuming hidden noble claims are true, DA is in Herta/Meg.

HEAL: Meg

WRT mafia, I don't know.
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Math, there are 7 alive, so 6 into night. The VC says 8 votes because you have 2 votes. So 7 into night, 6 alive tomorrow.

If mafia select DA tonight, DA leaves so 5 alive tomorrow, 3 town 2 maf, with dayvig town loses.

If mafia do not select DA tonight, 6 alive tomorrow, 3 town, 2 maf and 1 DA.

Is that correct?

Crap let me redo the calculations

[Enchant]

DA techically not scum but ok.

DA 3p who’s wincon opposes town, so yeah.

~N

DA can win with town, they need to die for it though and not be nobled. So they don't really techically "Scum".

No they lose if they are ever nobled. A 3p who can hypothetically win with town could be a survivor but both town and mafia wincon contradict DA wincon.

Scum is any player who’s wincon contradicts town.

~N

Condemner is also not scum, but his wincon contradicts town.
Jester is also not scum, but his wincon contradicts town.

... No really give up.

[Polar Bear Express]

And actually if you heal me, I get two votes tomorrow right, so I think that's okay.

Nobles don't work in Elo. Just in case.

You're right I forgot about that.

There are no Nobles, Hidden Nobles, Noble elections, or Hidden Noble appointments during ELo. ELo happens if the game reaches 2:1 or 3:2 and lasts for the rest of the game.

[Herta]

The Dark Angel leaves the game in a win if the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1 (what would be ELo if not for the Dark Angel).

So if 3:2 tomorrow, it's just town v mafia.

[Polar Bear Express]

You win if you die or survive to endgame without ever being made an elected or hidden noble.
You exit the game and win if the game would reach a ELo state if not for your existence (the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1).

DA wincon

[MegAzumarill]

The Dark Angel leaves the game in a win if the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1

Assuming a town lim and not a DA noble, it goes to 3v2 at night and we lose because DA leaves.

Which means we are in MELO currently.
So actually I think I agree with Enchant that it is safest to elim/noble both me and Herta.

[Herta]

Math + PBE have 4 votes, so really it's up to them who dies today.

[MegAzumarill]

DA probably should be considered scum here since both scum and them want the same thing (today at least) akin to a traitor looks like.

[Polar Bear Express]

You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

So mafia can win with DA as well if they never get nobilized.

[MathBlade]

DA right -> we win (this is omitted for brevity)

7 alive -> DA wrong no elim -> 7 into night. Lose two (DA+NK) 5 alive. Scum have dayvig we lose.
Ergo miselim we lose on DA wrong.

If we decide the DA ourselves we have to elim scum in case we misfire on the DA. Miselim isn’t the safer option if we decide DA.

If we don’t decide the DA ourselves then 7 into night, 50/50 we lose.

That’s a lot less appealing and might be time for hero shot. But yeah we might have to elim one noble the other but I hate the fact I agree with Enchant as he’s so scummy.

[Polar Bear Express]

You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

So mafia can win with DA as well if they never get nobilized.

You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.

Town autoloses if we guess wrong today.

~N

[Enchant]

The Dark Angel leaves the game in a win if the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1

Assuming a town lim and not a DA noble, it goes to 3v2 at night and we lose because DA leaves.

Which means we are in MELO currently.
So actually I think I agree with Enchant that it is safest to elim/noble both me and Herta.

Maybe not.

Wait before i receive answer from mod.

[MegAzumarill]

Limming Mafia or Limming DA actually both lead us with ELO. Limming DA is 3v2 ELO, limming Mafia is 2v1 ELO.
HEAL: Herta
VOTE: Herta

[MathBlade]

You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

So mafia can win with DA as well if they never get nobilized.

You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.

Town autoloses if we guess wrong today.

~N

This. And not guessing is 50/50 loss.

So I hate that I agree with Enchant.

But it might be smart to deny scum the dayvig.

[Polar Bear Express]

DA probably should be considered scum here since both scum and them want the same thing (today at least) akin to a traitor looks like.

Well yeah, since Mafia can win with or without DA but Town can’t, so don’t know wtf Enchant’s smoking here.

~N

[MathBlade]

I am off work give me an hour or so for noms. Then can do more awesome things.

[Polar Bear Express]

You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

So mafia can win with DA as well if they never get nobilized.

You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.

Town autoloses if we guess wrong today.

~N

This. And not guessing is 50/50 loss.

So I hate that I agree with Enchant.

But it might be smart to deny scum the dayvig.

We don’t have a choice because we lose if we’re wrong on DA today.

~N

[MathBlade]

You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

So mafia can win with DA as well if they never get nobilized.

You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.

Town autoloses if we guess wrong today.

~N

This. And not guessing is 50/50 loss.

So I hate that I agree with Enchant.

But it might be smart to deny scum the dayvig.

We don’t have a choice because we lose if we’re wrong on DA today.

~N

Break it down?

If we DA a non DA not in Meg/Herta then scum have a 50/50

Can you highlight my mistake please?

[Polar Bear Express]

HEAL: N_M
VOTE: toto
N_M is town this game.
I feel it in my bones

Junko you feel different to how you felt last game
Why?

I like Herta and N_M for town.
HEAL: Polar Bear Express

VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I can get behind this vote
VOTE: JunkoChan

Don’t see why Herta ever kills Elements here.

~N

[Polar Bear Express]

Spoiler: Role PMs

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win conditions:

• You win when there are no longer any threats to the town.
• You instantly win if you manage to get the Dark Angel elected as a noble.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

along with your partner PLAYER.

Abilities:

• Factional communication: At any time in the game, you may talk with your partners here.
• Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may perform the factional kill.
• Factional appointment: Each night phase, one of you or your partner may appoint someone as a hidden noble, notifying them that they are such and giving them an extra elimination vote.
• Dark Angel reward: If you or your partner appoints the Dark Angel as a noble, your faction gains a 1-shot daykill that can be used in the factional PT.

Win condition:

• You win when your faction holds a majority or nothing can prevent this from occurring, and the Dark Angel isn't elected as noble.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment, or by posting in the mafia PT.

Dark Angel

Welcome!

You are a

Dark Angel

.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win condition:

• You win if you die or survive to endgame without ever being made an elected or hidden noble.
• You exit the game and win if the game would reach a ELo state if not for your existence (the game reaches 2:1:1 or 3:2:1).

The game thread is here.

Please confirm by replying with your role name and alignment, or by posting in the mafia PT.

Hidden Noble

You have been appointed as a hidden noble for this day. You will have an extra hidden vote. This vote will not appear in vote counts.

Math, I trust you more than me on mech. This is what I’m basing this on.

~N

[MegAzumarill]

I'm kind of disappointed I don't really have much to do here.
Killing/Nobling between me and herta means finding mafia is kinda pointless for me today
Am wondering something

@MOD
Is the scum nightkill mandatory?

Gotta do stuff, I'll check back later

[Polar Bear Express]

VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I like Herta and N_M for town.
HEAL: Polar Bear Express

VOTE: JunkoChan
Seriousish vote.

I can get behind this vote
VOTE: JunkoChan

I would like to read reason

Your tone feels strange and it seemed like you were posting just for the sake of posting. It’s a weak read but it was all I had.

Thanks I hate it here. And I do this because I have history with N_M

it's ok elmo, junko's post was only 50% serious

-N

Correct, i just wanted to get things going

This post also jumps out as scum wanting external validation for their pro-town behavior.

^miss formated that
How is that looking for external validation?

If i was asking people what they thought about my actions, that would make sense, but polar bear asked that unpromted, so your logic is rubish

Nancy said that unprompted, but your response to it didn’t add anything and just hammers in the point that you’re doing pro-town behavior.

Passenger also sr Junko.

~N

[MathBlade]

Give me a bit after dinner

I generally don’t like deciding games on replace in and especially don’t want to on an empty stomach