Mini Theme 2290: Open ChatGPT - Game Over

[Not_Mafia]

VC 2.02

redFF (1)-

Menalque

KittyTacky (1)-

Dei Ex Machina

Dei Ex Machina (0)-

furtiveglance (0)-

Doctor Drew (0)-

Titus (4)-

furtiveglance, Porkens, biancospino, Doctor Drew

-(E-2)

Porkens (0)-

Menalque (0)-

imaginalty (0)-

biancospino (0)-

Not Voting (4)-

GrandpaMo, KittyTacky, Titus, imaginality

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to instantly eliminate.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2023-03-10 11:00:00)

- Mar 10th 11:00 GMT

[KittyTacky]

Sorry I had personal issues today that led to me not finding enough time to post.

Who do you scumread at the moment? Looking through your iso I didn't see you give any scumreads since Porkens early D1 and me mid D1. Since then it's just been townreads I think?

Menalque and bianco aren't looking good on a quick re-skim. I specifically don't like the GrandpaMo votes. The replace out indicates that it was town and not scum, and thus the votes are likely opportunistic.

I'm really not sure Titus is scum. Just not seeing it.

Pardon me if you have already said why before, but......why?

I just don't get the case.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Menalque

[KittyTacky]

I actually forgot if Titus not posting under pressure is a scumtell or not.

[KittyTacky]

In Warrior Cats she got real defensive when ran up and she was town. idk if she acts like this as scum as I don't remember playing with scum!Titus and what she was like under pressure.

[KittyTacky]

Could just be busy?

[furtiveglance]

I'm hungry for a hamma

[redFF]

VOTE: titus

E-1

[Porkens]

unvote

[Dei Ex Machina]

Ok, let's take a look at this Titus reaction to being pushed...

Spoiler: (nested spoilers!)

Spoiler: 1

@BloodB0t, the way that chess game shows pieces in the wrong places is like some demonic incestuous offspring of chess, checkers and time travel. If the intent is to gain advantage by making everyone else's heads ache then job done!

@

Drew not sure I'd go as far as policy limming a hydra

, but I do like the idea of putting hydras under pressure early as I always find them hard to read.

VOTE: Defective Agency

Positioning himself as reasonable

Spoiler: 2

My vote on the hydra was rvs in that I didn't have any reason to vote them based on play (it was page 1!) but motivated in that I dislike playing with hydras. I just find them hard to read (also because I generally don't know the meta of the players in them) plus some of them post too much.

So I figure seeing how they react to a wagon on them could help with reading them plus given the choice between catching a scum solo player and a scum hydra I'd rather the latter.

Never heard of Doctor Drew or the running joke.

I don't see posting chatGPT answers as copying Porkens' gimmick in this particular game (if Porkens does that in other games then it would be if someone does it there).

I am also staggered Defective Agency thought I was being serious with that chatGPT post or in general (until now).

I have a hard time believing they genuinely believed that. My vote stays.

Incredibly safe position to take as scum with the omgus. We're already opposing him, so he just accepts and cements that.

Spoiler: 3

The subplot where on one side, ChatGPT/Porkens says its suspicious for players to cast doubt on ChatGPT -- and on the other, bloodb0t finds Porkens suspicious for practically assimilatign with the AI, seems notable. I don't like bloodbot's repeated insistence against ChatGPT which feels ultimatley like a distraction to me. Like it mostly goes without saying that ChatGPT isn't exactly sherlock holms yet bloodb0t seems to feel the need to discredit it anyway. Poor learning model

On that front, some musings:

Do you think 96 is a direct neutral chatGPT output or is it
Porkens' own content in chatGPT style (perhaps rephrased by chatGPT), or chatGPT told to argue a specific view?

If it's the latter:

Do you think continuing to mix chatGPT and their own content (if Porkens were to continue to do so) is scummy, towny or NAI?

Bonus thought: compare and contrast playing using chatGPT as support (either for private discussion or for content generation) with playing in a hydra


Not really directed at anyone, just musing.

You could have these thoughts in an MD thread or pre-game. Much easier content to put out than your thoughts on other players.

Spoiler: 4

How many scums are we thinking because if it's 3 I've already found them all
Maybe not but I've got it down to [Dei Ex Machina, imaginality, narrow parking, Menalque, Porkens]

Should be 3 and one 3p, at least per the queue post.
Also, I somewhat disagree with that list. Are Dei there chiefly just because of their KT vote?

PE: god, that rap was awful

This was already clarified earlier in the thread (119). And Defective Agency has been following the thread, so the "how many scums are we thinking" in the post bianco quoted here seems like a deliberate attempt on DA's part to appear uninformed.

This is an attempt to get us for 'fake townslipping' which is a really superficial and reachy thing to push us for. I hadn't checked the setup or seen anywhere that it was 9/3/1.

So yeah, bit of a scumcase for you Dei Ex Machina.

My vote stays

-Mr. Glance

Not in the mood to wagon imaginality day 1 as that leads to people doing stupid shit

How so?

See last large theme. Too exhausted to explain.

So you can't be bothered to look up someone's meta that was conveniently linked to, but I have to find meta you allude to on my own?

Might have to put this sheep out to pasture.

I'm a) not using meta to explain alignment and b) what I'm saying requires no thought or belief in meta. It's just facts that happened.

How did you go from sheeping me to "putting out to pasture"?

I think I'm more with Titus on her first point: it sounds like she was referencing something that happened in a past game, it doesn't sound like she was making a point about alignment with "not in the mood to wagon Imaginality".

I do agree "How did you go from sheeping me to "putting out to pasture"?" is a slight stretch of rhetoric, as Drew only ever referred to sheeping Titus jokingly. I can personally see both scum and town motivation for this.

Spoiler:

You vaguely say the Imaginalty wagon will lead to people doing stupid shit.

You don't say it because you believe they are town, but also don't offer up even a tiny bit of explanation to hate the wagon besides 'hey go look over there or something'.

And then when I have an an issue with this double standard, you redirect the heat to me?

I didn't vaguely said it. I outright said it. That is explanation. I know he gets picked on as town. Does that make him town? No. So I didn't say that. I just don't give a shit for easy.

There is no double standard. One is a comparison of meta. The other is fact.

More of the above, I guess this seems like a place where one's judgment of whether Titus is in fact enforcing a double standard would colour one's opinion of the interaction. Like, totally possible Drew is right, but overall I still feel pretty neutral about this

Spoiler:

You also did a 180 which is frankly odd and telling.

Maybe Drew + Porkens.

Well well well... what do we have here? In a shocking twist of events, more of the same

-Morta

[Dei Ex Machina]

butt its pretty fucking tight.

I love a tight pork butt.

What are we doing here? Titus isn't posting shit it seems.

Do we hope they are replaced and go from there, lim her slot, or what?

Assuming you're town here - this situation is absolutely temporary! She will either post or get replaced.

If the nation wants to lim Titus that's fine, but if you wanna take advantage of the epochs that are still left before deadline, that is very much possible. My preference is to wait. I think there's plenty we can cover while waiting for Titus.

-Morta

[Dei Ex Machina]

I'm hungry for a hamma

Such as this. I think I'm curious why you don't seem more curious about other slots...?

-Morta

[Dei Ex Machina]

I don't especially like how GrandpaMo was "at the end of today I'm gonna tell you stuff that town NEED to know" and then more recently "oh it's nothing important not a big deal" but I don't think there's any value in pressing on it now.


Re. my Titus read I feel like she might be soft defending me maybe partly to get me on side and also to set up a "told you so, listen to me instead of going for easy wagons" to have more sway on future days when I flip town if I get limmed.

She feels different this game to the last I was in with her (where she was town) but that could be due to various factors (our roles that game, the fact she was sparring with Mathblade in particular, out of game stuff) so I don't place enough weight on the difference to make a meta case. It just feels less reassuring than it would if she felt the same tonewise.

Fairish. I am at idgaf. Let's go after scummy people.

narrow parking exists

-Mr. Glance

Convince me he's possible partnered with Drew. I don't see it based on recent posting unless the "not yet" post is a post meant for a PT which is stretch even if they are partners.

VOTE: Narrow Parking

Really, you hammered while I was doing my readwall? Are you trying to get me to tunnel you?

These posts give me TMI vibes

I thought about these a little more. It's possible Titus knew NP would flip town, but I don't think these posts are actively suggesting that if you get what I mean? It's equally plausible she just had tunnel vision on Drew.

- Nyx

[Doctor Drew]

I do want to wait for Titus ideally, but if she can't devote time to the game then she should be replaced.

I am a bit impatient waiting for her though, says she will be here and post.....then does nothing, and it appears the game has stalled a bit because of that.

But, I guess I should just forget about her for now, I do need to kick the tires on everyone else.

Still at work, will check in a bit later.

[Dei Ex Machina]

I was going to add that this post caught my attention, too:

Sorry I had personal issues today that led to me not finding enough time to post.

Who do you scumread at the moment? Looking through your iso I didn't see you give any scumreads since Porkens early D1 and me mid D1. Since then it's just been townreads I think?

Menalque and bianco aren't looking good on a quick re-skim. I specifically don't like the GrandpaMo votes. The replace out indicates that it was town and not scum, and thus the votes are likely opportunistic.

I've had a similar thought about the GrandpaMo votes. Think this is a bit town-indicative because it's a sus on unusual slots. What do people think?

-Morta

[Dei Ex Machina]

Titus will be due for a prod shortly. Hopefully she comes back.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

I do want to wait for Titus ideally, but if she can't devote time to the game then she should be replaced.

I am a bit impatient waiting for her though, says she will be here and post.....then does nothing, and it appears the game has stalled a bit because of that.

But, I guess I should just forget about her for now, I do need to kick the tires on everyone else.

Still at work, will check in a bit later.

Aww <3. Yeah, it can be pretty frustrating when someone isn't posting. Though I know it can also be frustrating when everyone is sring you because you're not posting but you're just busy. Proof that this game is just a soup of misery, really =P

and yeah, I concur that physically it cannot be long before something happens

-Morta

[Doctor Drew]

I was going to add that this post caught my attention, too:

Sorry I had personal issues today that led to me not finding enough time to post.

Who do you scumread at the moment? Looking through your iso I didn't see you give any scumreads since Porkens early D1 and me mid D1. Since then it's just been townreads I think?

Menalque and bianco aren't looking good on a quick re-skim. I specifically don't like the GrandpaMo votes. The replace out indicates that it was town and not scum, and thus the votes are likely opportunistic.

I've had a similar thought about the GrandpaMo votes. Think this is a bit town-indicative because it's a sus on unusual slots. What do people think?

-Morta

Flip side of that, could be scumKT trying to get town points in the event of a GMo town flip.

And why is Bianco scummy (besides the GMo thing? This particular question is more directed at KT.

Pre Edit: What a glowing endorsement of this game we are playing lol 'Mysery Soup'

[Dei Ex Machina]

I was going to add that this post caught my attention, too:

Sorry I had personal issues today that led to me not finding enough time to post.

Who do you scumread at the moment? Looking through your iso I didn't see you give any scumreads since Porkens early D1 and me mid D1. Since then it's just been townreads I think?

Menalque and bianco aren't looking good on a quick re-skim. I specifically don't like the GrandpaMo votes. The replace out indicates that it was town and not scum, and thus the votes are likely opportunistic.

I've had a similar thought about the GrandpaMo votes. Think this is a bit town-indicative because it's a sus on unusual slots. What do people think?

-Morta

I don't think it's unfakeable.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Yes, fairz

-Morta

[Doctor Drew]

Nyx and Mortar, potentially dumb question, and this does come from a tinfoily place.

But I thought hydras usually have a notes PT they can use to discuss reads and such instead of in thread? I don't want to start whipping around accusations when speaking on something I am unfamiliar with, but the inter-hydra communication in thread seems oddly forced here.

[Doctor Drew]

*Morta not Mortar lol

[Dei Ex Machina]

Nyx and Mortar, potentially dumb question, and this does come from a tinfoily place.

But I thought hydras usually have a notes PT they can use to discuss reads and such instead of in thread? I don't want to start whipping around accusations when speaking on something I am unfamiliar with, but the inter-hydra communication in thread seems oddly forced here.

We have a notes PT, but we don't discuss absolutely everything in there before posting to the main thread. That post by Morta was not something she ran by us. I try to minimize the amount of responding to my hydra partners in here, but in that case, it just made more sense to.

- Nyx

[Dei Ex Machina]

Anyway, re: Kitty and Titus, I almost think Kitty might have to be town? Someone tell me if my two braincells are onto something here:
- Kitty is scummy.
- Kitty's read on Titus feels like a partner tell and not something a scum does to a townie.
- Gamestate points to town!Titus.
- Kitty isn't scum.
I guess S/S could still be a thing but it feels kind of unlikely.
Ughhhhh but who even are the mafia if it's not Kitty?
*has existential crisis*

- Nyx

[Doctor Drew]

Nyx and Mortar, potentially dumb question, and this does come from a tinfoily place.

But I thought hydras usually have a notes PT they can use to discuss reads and such instead of in thread? I don't want to start whipping around accusations when speaking on something I am unfamiliar with, but the inter-hydra communication in thread seems oddly forced here.

We have a notes PT, but we don't discuss absolutely everything in there before posting to the main thread. That post by Morta was not something she ran by us. I try to minimize the amount of responding to my hydra partners in here, but in that case, it just made more sense to.

- Nyx

Fair enough, like I said I had my tinfoil hat on there a bit lol. But that explanation makes sense.