EBWOPIn post 1070, Dei Ex Machina wrote: Oh, I get it nowYeah I’ll give you the wording was pretty rambly. I will rephrase it.In post 1061, Dei Ex Machina wrote: I was asking who was SK or-third-party because, talking of slots who only need to hunt for one scum, I noticed you had only tried to push one slot the whole day as scum (us).
For all of today (day 4), until I asked you who you thought the SK was, you only pushed one slot (us). I thought this was suspicious, BECAUSE from the perspective of a townie, there is both a scum and a 3rd party to catch.
I’m not saying that you only pushed us in the whole game, in any way. That would in fact be ridiculous
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Who do you think Mena roleblocked?
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@mod and @everyone- DecIaring V/LA for an unknown length of time. I have been informed that there will be an "interruption in internet service" at my house in a couple of hours. I have no idea what that means or how long it will be for. Morta should still be around though.-
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There’s still quite a lot to cover and I don’t think I can cover it all in this spurt of posting today.
Some highlights;
- I spent some time earlier trying to check Drew’s claim and bianco’s claim. As far as I can tell, there is no super overt contradiction. To Drew’s credit, he softs vig quite far back. This is something that’s worth keeping in mind. ISO him and CTRL+F “vig” and you’ll see.
- However, there are several things about his reaction and the way he’s talking to us that really make me want to override the fact his basic claim makes sense. More tomorrow.
- Survivor redirector? Seems like a strange role. Scum redirector seems more plausible, I don’t completely understand this
- @Imaginality, from my perspective your view of the world is definitely wrong, yes. And that’s what worries me, partly that it’s wrong and partly that the method you used is limited.
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Update: false alarm, sort of. I won't be disappearing off the face of the earth but I still might not be around much this weekend depending on other commitments.In post 1075, Dei Ex Machina wrote:@mod and @everyone- DecIaring V/LA for an unknown length of time. I have been informed that there will be an "interruption in internet service" at my house in a couple of hours. I have no idea what that means or how long it will be for. Morta should still be around though.
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Ah.In post 1058, imaginality wrote: You, me, Drew, bianco, Kitty
I know I'm town
Kitty is cleared by Porkens
My gut says Drew's claim is true
That leaves you and bianco.
...but I guess I see why you asked the question. After all you're only hunting one scum rather than two...
I forgot Kitty was clear.
It makes sense then.
Sorry for the confusion.
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I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with "3 kills", but note there must be at least 3 sources of kills in the game:In post 1081, KittyTacky wrote:
One that doesn't understand what Mafia setups really look like. i.e an AI.In post 1031, Dei Ex Machina wrote: I know this is an AI-generated setup, but that feels highly implausible. What mod puts in an SK and two town killing roles?
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Still I doubt as we never had 3 kills unless I have suffered a catastrophic memory failure.
- The mafia's factional kill
- Porkens's role
- A third role that caused either Porkens's or Menalque's death last night
I also feel it's a bit less likely that there would be afourthkilling role, since, as you say, there are quite a lot of missing kills.
Where are you at, KT? As we said at the start of the day, we might look to you for guidance on who to eliminate today. Is this something you're thinking about?
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One inno is clearly KT. Who is the other one? I'm assuming Porkens' reaction to Menalque was more because he put together the thoughts "I am lockpicking" + "Mena is softing JK". Can we tell who Porkens targeted Night 1?In post 1086, imaginality wrote:
There aren't actually that many missing kills given Porkens had two innos so we know didn't kill anyone N1 or N2.In post 1085, Dei Ex Machina wrote:
I'm not quite sure what you're referring to with "3 kills", but note there must be at least 3 sources of kills in the game:In post 1081, KittyTacky wrote:
One that doesn't understand what Mafia setups really look like. i.e an AI.In post 1031, Dei Ex Machina wrote: I know this is an AI-generated setup, but that feels highly implausible. What mod puts in an SK and two town killing roles?
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Still I doubt as we never had 3 kills unless I have suffered a catastrophic memory failure.
- The mafia's factional kill
- Porkens's role
- A third role that caused either Porkens's or Menalque's death last night
I also feel it's a bit less likely that there would be afourthkilling role, since, as you say, there are quite a lot of missing kills.
To be clear, I meant something like "there already are a few missing kills. if there were a fourth killing role, there would be even more kills missing. ergo it is less likely there is a fourth killing role."
There were two deaths on N1, Morning Tweet and BloodB0t. If we know Porkens had an inno, then all kills N1 are accounted for.If Drew is telling the truth, and assuming the third party kills each night:
N1: one missing kill
- mafia or the third party could have been jailkept, or their target could have been jailkept, or they doubled on BloodB0t, or the third party doubled on Morning Tweet
N2: one missing kill
- mafia or the third party could have targetted Kitty, or they doubled on furtiveglance
N3: one/two missing kills
- Porkens could have targeted an inno or been jailkept or his target could have been jailkept
- Drew could have been jailkept or biancospino (Drew's target) could have been [I know this second possibility isn't true though because it would leave Dei and me as the remaining nontown given there was a successful second kill]
The above sequence of events doesn't seemhighlyunlikely. Like Kitty said it comes down to WIFOM. And also considering whether town would be overpowered with vig plus jailkeeper plus vigcop vs scum with roleblocker and rolecop and ?, and third party with ?.
Come over to the politeness side, we have cookies <3
The "Is this something you're thinking about?" sentence here strikes me as insincere, like, DEM surely doesn't actually think KittyIn post 1085, Dei Ex Machina wrote: Where are you at, KT? As we said at the start of the day, we might look to you for guidance on who to eliminate today. Is this something you're thinking about?
-Mortaisn'ttrying to decide who to lim? DEI is just trying to come across as so polite and helpful. Like with their polite little "worry" about me having a "limited" worldview because of me thinking they're mafia.
I'm sure Kitty is thinking about who the scum are! I mean more "Do you think you will want to share your opinion at some point?", with a side sprinkling of"How can I indoctrinate you into my ag", ahem, "What can I do to convince you we're town?"
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It could be that the third party is gated, maybe only has one shot or something. That would make it a bit more credible for Drew to be a vig. But 4 full killing roles does feel like much too much.
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Then, what do you think 3p is?In post 1092, Doctor Drew wrote:
Which is why I keep saying I don't believe a SK is in this game.In post 1091, Dei Ex Machina wrote: It could be that the third party is gated, maybe only has one shot or something. That would make it a bit more credible for Drew to be a vig. But 4 full killing roles does feel like much too much.
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I would like to proudly present my dissertation for the game: Mini Theme 2290: Open ChatGPT on the subject of
Why you should consider voting Doctor Drew
When asked to explain why biancospino is alive, he proposes that biancospino is a 3rd party redirector, rather than considering a jailkeeper might have been involved. On him or his target. Ignores biancospino's suggestion about this.
@Drew, how did you take into account Menalque and Porkens's actions when deciding who to target last night?
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Why are mech reasons encouraged "as well"? What other explanation could there be, if not a mech reason? Aren't possible reasons explained just a couple posts upstream of the quoted ones?
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And this feels like a grab bag of accusations (sorry). The goalposts keep moving. He chases a response to his question several times, then says "it still took for me to quote my post directed at you for you to respond, but that's not my point". Hmmm
It's also unclear to me which of these two sentences he wanted a reply to:Again with the SK talk, where was the Night 2 kill then?
Only the first one is a "direct question", but apparently his point was "The context of said post([Aisa] in Abloaf vs [Aisa] here)".Morta(Aisa), kinda like how you were the only one to defend me in AbLoaf when it was clear I was a goner(for everyone else here, we were both scum).
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We're also all forgetting abouta little, but she exists and has such drive to solve the game, much wowbiancospino
(I am having fun with colour, yes)
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I am reminded of this quote...
I have clearance from my hydra partners.In post 1139, JohnnyFarrar wrote: (I think this is what the youth call a "flail")
VOTE: Doctor Drew
I don't really see a scenario in which Drew is town. I think biancospino is more likely to be the other non-town than Imaginality, though it depends on what Drew flips. biancospino has a lot of e.g. survivor equity but feels almost too chill to be a mafia?
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I'm not Morta, but I can try to answer some stuff. I do need to read up though.
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This, I can answer, but I'll need some clarification. Do you mean "where in the gamethread do we think you softed vigi?" or "when did we ISO you and find what we believed was a vigi soft?"In post 1103, Doctor Drew wrote: Here's a question, let's see if you will answer it.
When did you, Aisa(or any head of the hydra), look up me softing vig?
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Unless I am blind, that is the only vig softing that Morta mentioned in the hydra PT. It is very possible that she saw something else, or that she's exaggerating.
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She said nothing about that, so I can't confirm or deny it.
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Nice slip, that point only applies if you're lying.In post 1112, Doctor Drew wrote:
And oh look, it was D1.In post 1110, Doctor Drew wrote:
This was he way back post that I am sure Aisa was referencing.In post 351, Doctor Drew wrote:Might have to put this sheep out to pasture.
When Aisa could have mentioned to Titus to use her delayed roleblock on me because she was afraid I would shoot Titus.
You claimed to shoot Kitty, who was quite obviously jailed N2. My theory here (which is really a lot more than a theory at this point) is that you are serial killer, tried to kill someone else, and so you know that Kitty being jailed isn't the reason your kill went missing. So you're trying to find some other cause that is plausible in your world.
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Considering they've been preparing to claim vig for a while and have softs to back it up, the risk is less than it might seem. As for getting shot at night? Bulletproof is probably the most common modifier to put on an SK.
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Oh, I misinterpreted that as you saying you trusted Drew.
Still wanted to say that though.
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I know the decision's pretty much made now.
I just haven't been able to be active in this thread much and wanted a chance to say my piece.
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I'm not saying it's impossible she roleblocked you. I'm saying that Menalque all but claimed to have jailed Kitty the night you say you shot at him. So it's strange that you seem to be completely ignoring that explanation.
The person you claimed to shoot at was jailed. He could not have been killed that night. It doesn't matter if you were roleblocked or not, he still couldn't have died.
The only way that it matters is if you're third party and your shot was directed at somebody else.
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In post 1128, Doctor Drew wrote: Lol, that's an elim I see.
So we aren't using logic I guess, makes no sense me claiming Vig when no one claimed any sort of investigative role or tracking role or such. I could have coasted as a SK, or scum for that matter. DEM's arguments have so many holes in them andresorted to basically petty insults when called out on them.
And again, what benefit would I have to push my scum buddy when our other scum buddy was killed the night before?
I guess this is the thanks I get for vigging scum and hard pushing an elim on scum.
Clearly that is scum behavior *giant eye roll*I am sorry if I said anything that you felt was insulting. That was not my intention.
I'm not sure if this was directed at me or my hydra partners, I admittedly don't read everything they post. I didn't accuse you of being mafia at any point though. You're right that you wouldn't have hardbussed Titus like that.
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Mafia is within imaginalilty/bianco from my POV (duh) but there'll be plenty of time to sort that out tomorrow. I kind of hope I get shot so I don't have to.
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I never said a hardbus wasn't illogical. I'm assuming that perhaps Morta did, but I'm not her. I accused you specifically of being third party for the exact reason that I had ruled out a hardbus on Titus.In post 1131, Doctor Drew wrote:
Lol, so now when I am dead you admit to a hard buss being illogical?In post 1129, Dei Ex Machina wrote:In post 1128, Doctor Drew wrote: Lol, that's an elim I see.
So we aren't using logic I guess, makes no sense me claiming Vig when no one claimed any sort of investigative role or tracking role or such. I could have coasted as a SK, or scum for that matter. DEM's arguments have so many holes in them andresorted to basically petty insults when called out on them.
And again, what benefit would I have to push my scum buddy when our other scum buddy was killed the night before?
I guess this is the thanks I get for vigging scum and hard pushing an elim on scum.
Clearly that is scum behavior *giant eye roll*I am sorry if I said anything that you felt was insulting. That was not my intention.
I'm not sure if this was directed at me or my hydra partners, I admittedly don't read everything they post. I didn't accuse you of being mafia at any point though. You're right that you wouldn't have hardbussed Titus like that.
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I don't take any of it personal, so no need to apologize, all in the name of the game.
But in the same vein, get the fuck out of here with this fake sympathy.
You got what you wanted.
I don't know what fake sympathy you're talking about. When I hear my name and "insults" in the same sentence, I jump to "did I cross the line?" I don't think that's unreasonable.
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Alright, that's good to hear.
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I assume this flips green since 3p would probably just drop the act.
This means that bianco/imaginality are non-town from our POV, and that bianco is confirmed non-town from everyone's POV.
It also means that the real 3p likely lacks killing power. So I guess Survivor Redirector is a thing? Unless...*arsonist paranoia*
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Or scum redirector and imaginality is something else?
Hmm.
We can figure that out tomorrow. I'm out for the night.
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I thought it was pretty clear Nyx thought that bianco was likely mafia while Drew was likely SK.In post 1137, imaginality wrote:
Why "3p" and not "scum" here?In post 1135, Dei Ex Machina wrote: I assume this flips green since 3p would probably just drop the act.
Oh wait I know why.
Because you know there's no chance of Drew flipping mafia because that's your role.
Another case of you hunting one scum rather than two.
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