In post 524, The Bulge wrote:
you didnt answer the other part of my question, why are you so sure that i should have commented on drew's slot and why does the fact i didnt make me scumpartners with him?
I actually think Drew is scummy for reasons that don't involve the Bianco wagon. He's had a few posts where he is just instigating the situation and I feel like this is the type of lazy scumhunting a wolf would throw out
In post 428, osuka wrote:
i _almost want_ to find a reason to townread black on the basis of town who legitimately got tilted and fucking gave up
I didn't get tilted or give up, and tbh I don't really care if you tr me
You do seem to care since you have responded trying to defend yourself.
Also, I have caught scum purely based off meta I have had with that person. Again, seems like you are upset that you are caught for reasons that you don't like.
I joke around about 'ugh, mech speak' but I get that in certain game types it can come in handy to break things down like that. But it seems like the main conclusion is that 'hey, we should hunt scum'. I think Bulge said it best here
In post 461, The Bulge wrote:
your other posts considering nolims are pointless bc why would we ever do that. these mechposts are a waste of time at best and an active distraction from any actual scumhunting/townplay at worst
Especially since others have rolled their eyes at the mech speak, and python seemed to double down on it. Almost seems like they are purposely obfuscating the game under the guise of seeming so obvtown on the surface.
Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
In post 523, Doctor Drew wrote:
Yes I did explain the push on Bianco initially, and didn't like how they discredited my questions I had to HPE.
Also, python how did I really push HPE? I took what Black said about HPE's voting style and ran with it, yes I poked/prodded/and pressured, but I never was really thinking of wagoning them. In fact, in retrospect given how Black has been acting, Black could have just been throwing shade at HPE hoping that I WOULD start a push and wagon on HPE(that thought kinda just popped in my head while typing this).
As far as Bulge, I do agree it is odd that they have seemingly danced around discussing me, especially given the discussions surrounding the Bianco wagon and by proxy HPE as well.
Pre Edit: Actually Black my initial push was just off Bianco voting Ice in the manner they did. But my scum read gained strength how they acted after my initial suspicions. And an early game wagon isn't just to figure out the person you put on the wagon, but how everyone else reacts as well.
There was something else about Bulge, but I am phone posting and I want to get this post out and then make sure it was actually Bulge who said it.
The explanation in 268 makes it ok-ish but Bulge was catching up real time before you posted it and 203/206/208/212 without that context looks really bad which is why I have a problem with them just ignoring it while still commenting on pretty much everything else that went on
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I joke around about 'ugh, mech speak' but I get that in certain game types it can come in handy to break things down like that. But it seems like the main conclusion is that 'hey, we should hunt scum'. I think Bulge said it best here
In post 461, The Bulge wrote:
your other posts considering nolims are pointless bc why would we ever do that. these mechposts are a waste of time at best and an active distraction from any actual scumhunting/townplay at worst
Especially since others have rolled their eyes at the mech speak, and python seemed to double down on it. Almost seems like they are purposely obfuscating the game under the guise of seeming so obvtown on the surface.
Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol
I gave tl;dr's that only explain the conclusion to be made for a reason when I noticed people started complaining about the math
-Nameless
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Can anyone that has played with Drew confirm this?
I shit post and have fun, but I really was trying to gauge how genuine your frustrations were, and tbh I am still not sure.
Alice, I do agree with you about Bulge. But I feel their reaction to being questioned about it is more townie than scummy, like they won't acquiesce just to appear towny. But maybe they have just pocketed me since I agree with them about the mech speak lol.
Nameless, the thing is I think your heart is in the right place, but my gut is telling me this is a scum tactic. Which means my brain has to make the final decision, and that isn't good for anyone haha.
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
If this is the case then Drew not mentioning Bulge and Bulge not mentioning Drew until now looks really bad
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I also haven't mentioned you until now, or Furtive, or Koki, and barely Aureal. In fact, most of my game here has been Bianco and HPE, with a bit of Black and osuka in there as well. Are they all my scum buddies? Are you?
I only talked about Bulge because you(or someone here today) asked me about them. There wasn't much for me to say that wasn't already said, and I repeated. The mech speak post they made was an 'oh ya there was one thing now that you reminded me' sort of thing.
You are attaching me to the Bulge for them not really discussing me, and puts me in a spot where they is no way to defend against that.
'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo
Associatives are usless if we don't know what drew is yet.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
In post 493, Kokichi Oma wrote:
It makes the game more exciting. If I was scum, I wouldn't be pushing you Black. You should know this since you're scum.
this smells kinda fake idk
Then vote me, what are you waiting for?
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
If this is the case then Drew not mentioning Bulge and Bulge not mentioning Drew until now looks really bad
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I also haven't mentioned you until now, or Furtive, or Koki, and barely Aureal. In fact, most of my game here has been Bianco and HPE, with a bit of Black and osuka in there as well. Are they all my scum buddies? Are you?
I only talked about Bulge because you(or someone here today) asked me about them. There wasn't much for me to say that wasn't already said, and I repeated. The mech speak post they made was an 'oh ya there was one thing now that you reminded me' sort of thing.
You are attaching me to the Bulge for them not really discussing me, and puts me in a spot where they is no way to defend against that.
Furtive and Aureal are barely playing with how little they've posted, Kokichi was the one pushing the Black wagon so kinda understandable to give them a pass, and yeah it's also weird you haven't mentioned us considering half the thread has just been us getting into arguments with people
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In post 518, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
This one still doesn't like Drew and his bianco wagon but it's gripes now are mostly about how he went about starting it and discussing it because he didn't really bring up WHY he did until 432, a good long while after actually starting the wagon which seems counter-intuitive when starting a wagon. Though it also doesn't think it necessarily agrees with his reasoning for it either, but, eh..
I don't think it's necessarily scummy to start a wagon and withhold the reasoning. It can be but a lot of times people will do this to interpret the reaction. Showing all your cards (ie: your reason for doing it) can impact the reaction so I can see town reasons for withholding the information
Not sure if that's the case with Drew here but the action itself isn't that bad imo
That's fair, but it's really the length of time for me. Right around 250 posts with only post quoted by Python to really explain the wagon. Not showing your entire hand at once can very much be a good play but if you want a wagon to take off you probably need to give people a reason to vote, unless you're just counting on others also thinking the same about someone before you elaborate.
not a person, just a doll~
this one refers to itself in the third person Get To Know A Doll
In post 485, usesPython wrote:
Like there's a theoretical way to guarantee scum can nightkill doctor but it shouldn't be in play this game so the chances of nightkilling the doctor shouldn't be greater than 50%
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Can we
please
not do the scum's homework for them? Outing the doc is straight up +EV for scum under optimal play, even if they can't agree on a strategy and have =rand accuracy. Optimal play isn't obvious, let's not do the math on this please
Can anyone that has played with Drew confirm this?
Yes. I'm a bit concerned he hasn't claimed Cult yet /s.
I'm certain Drew actually posted in a very specific way to make sure to ping
me
specifically; I won't elaborate further on why. Drew wanted to talk specifically to
me
to evaluate my reaction more than to the town at large. Take of that what you will, but I don't think it's a specific play that could result from discussing with a partner; I believe it's town.
In post 485, usesPython wrote:
Like there's a theoretical way to guarantee scum can nightkill doctor but it shouldn't be in play this game so the chances of nightkilling the doctor shouldn't be greater than 50%
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Can we
please
not do the scum's homework for them? Outing the doc is straight up +EV for scum under optimal play, even if they can't agree on a strategy and have =rand accuracy. Optimal play isn't obvious, let's not do the math on this please
I was under the impression that Kokichi actually read the setup when I posted that. Also yes and no on outing doc being always +EV for scum (it's only
almost
always +EV) since it also increases the chances of a No Kill which depending on the gamestate when it happens can just straight up lose scum the game (and in those cases Doc coming out would be +EV)
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Yes, but starting Night with a known doc has a higher EV for both scumteam. I did the math.
Also, depending on when it happens, they have a strategy to make a nokill on doc just never happening, guaranteed. Let's not discuss it until postgame, shall we.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
