Mafia 2301: Angels and Demons (Game Over)
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hmhmhm
so,
what do we think the bastard elements may be?his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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yea? and why do you think that's scummy?
speculation is fun for me and i think there's a decent chance the scums have more information than i do
also frustrating that every game has to start with this and not just people like, talking to me,
but alashis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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it's like, yeah maybe i don't really know how to sort between wild speculation and players hiding information or between players simply ignoring the question,
but eh, it certainly doesn't hurt, and once again, it's funhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 5, Doctor Drew wrote:e
like why do you think biancospino chose to refer to you as a cult leader?
do you think that is a reference to another game? which seems possible to me but i do not have the information to make that judgment,
or just random? which would be odd to me
or do you think it is because she was influenced by the faust quotes possibly into thinking there may be a cult type of mechanic like 'deal with the devil' type thing?
or something else?his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 9, Doctor Drew wrote: It is site meta that I always role cult leader in a bastard game, assuming it is a jokey vote since this is, ya know....rvs.
And in a bastard game the mechanics can get all wonky, but as always scum is slightly more informed and would be highly motivated to get out ahead of the town as far as possible in regards to mechanics.
Not too mention doing a bit of rolefishing.
see, i was unaware of this! but now i know
? yes scums are likely more informed about the mechanics i agree i have played a few bastard games before and moderated others but uh, town also motivated to figure out the mechanics, or at least, this town
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and what would you have me do right now if not speculating about the mechanics? like you seem to think that is anti-town, which i don't really understand, but then so what should i be doing?his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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like i don't really see the benefit of us playing this game like it's not bastard and then just being like
!!! oh i am surprised by this development!!!
and also rvs boringhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 12, Doctor Drew wrote: Whoever joins the Demona wagon with me will get recruited over night.
sigh it doesn't feel like you are actually trying to sort me here just feels like a binary 'mech spec is scummy!' but i can't really say towms have never taken a similar approach to me before
it's just frustrating if you're town because like, you can just talk to me ya know, as i said before, as always there are definitely better ways of sorting me than 'demona is a scums!', i am willing to share my thought process regarding anything i post and i am present here and
and instead you just seemingly want to maintain the scumread just to have it, even now encouraging others, without like, sorting me engaging me et cetera
like if you're town here you're simply scumreading my approach to the game, how my brain works and such, the bastard nature of the game engages me, that's a large part of why i signed up, and so forth
and if you're not town you just see something you can plausibly call scummy repeatedly because you are portraying it in like a 'anyone who cares about the mechanics or encourages other to speculate is a scums' way, which isn't true
and i don't really have anyway of determining which of the two it is for you because you're just like, 'she's a scums! wagon wagon!'his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 15, Frozen Angel wrote: what you want people to talk to you about?
about my thought process regarding my posts and such, like if someone has a problem with them, because otherwise it just becomes me being pushed and then the person pushing saying i am 'overly defensive' or something like that because i do not know how to sort the person pushing other than to continue to engage them and then that is portrayed as me only caring about reads on me and so forth and so onhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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we don't necessarily have to figure it out, i think there's benefit in theorizing and speculating and i think we should give incentive for the possibly informed by one's role pm speculation, because i think the way a player would most likely be informed by their pm is if they are a scums, as i said before, as i do not have information from my pm about what may be bastard about the gameIn post 13, biancospino wrote:
Mech spec is good and all, but how do you suggest we should go on about figuring the mechs on page 1? There is nothing to go on about, so any guess rn will be either garbage; or informed by one's pm, which we shouldn't incentive to be outed just becauseIn post 10, demona wrote:
? yes scums are likely more informed about the mechanics i agree i have played a few bastard games before and moderated others but uh, town also motivated to figure out the mechanics, or at least, this town
and it's not like we were given nothing to go off of, there are the faust quotes like i said before
could be a potential deal with the devil type thing
and there's the 'battle for your soul' thing from the promotional materials (signup queue post) which could mean any number of things
like in theory actions we took in the game could even determine our alignments i guess though this one seems less likely to mehis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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because i wasn't asked about it? that's what i meant by 'talk to me' instead of just vote for me, shrug,In post 20, Frozen Angel wrote: but you haven't posted any thought process yet
so why would you be angry if people don't start game talking to you about something that doesn't exist yet?
do you usually start games talking about mechanics?
i am not angry, i just become frustrated, because i don't know what it is players want from me and it feels like i often get scumread for existing or for being me
and yes, i very often start games talking about mechanics, especially bastard games, but most games really, can provide examples i guess, gimme a second to findhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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somewhat recent-ish bastard games i have played in
i designed this setup in 2019 as andrée
achromatic calamity as anahit
slaughter hour as ulyana
radio buzz as rousseau
silent star royalty as team rocket queenhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 26, biancospino wrote:In post 22, demona wrote:
we don't necessarily have to figure it out, i think there's benefit in theorizing and speculating and i think we should give incentive for the possibly informed by one's role pm speculation, because i think the way a player would most likely be informed by their pm is if they are a scums, as i said before,as i do not have information from my pm about what may be bastard about the game
and it's not like we were given nothing to go off of, there are the faust quotes like i said before
could be a potential deal with the devil type thing
and there's the 'battle for your soul' thing from the promotional materials (signup queue post) which could mean any number of things
like in theory actions we took in the game could even determine our alignments i guess though this one seems less likely to meSee, that's the sort of thing that ought not be said willy-nilly. It's not much but if you're town there's really no reason to broadcast that information to the scum
I guess. There's also the fact that town is blue, which is reminescent of Conception (and I guess it would make sense thatAngelsandDemonsbe different nontown factions or something)
That would be very amusing but it's so outlandish I can't not wonder how it is that you found it a thought worth mentioning
but there's a sample pm anyway? i guess i don't see how my saying so is possibly detrimental, and i think towm benefits more from additional information than the scums anyway,
yes this also seems possible to me, that there are separate angel and demon factions but in an 11 player game it becomes hard to find room for them all, at least without making it very difficult for town,
i was thinking about the possible meanings of 'battle for your soul' and that was one of the first that came to mind because of how souls are traditional weighed from potential source materials, like actions on earth > actions in game et ceterahis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 28, Frozen Angel wrote:
why would anyone ask you about your thought process on page 1 of the game?In post 23, demona wrote:
because i wasn't asked about it? that's what i meant by 'talk to me' instead of just vote for me, shrug,In post 20, Frozen Angel wrote: but you haven't posted any thought process yet
so why would you be angry if people don't start game talking to you about something that doesn't exist yet?
do you usually start games talking about mechanics?
i am not angry, i just become frustrated, because i don't know what it is players want from me and it feels like i often get scumread for existing or for being me
and yes, i very often start games talking about mechanics, especially bastard games, but most games really, can provide examples i guess, gimme a second to find
what would you have thought about even?
can you share a bit of what you think you could have been questioned about?
because doctor drew voted for me, thus if doctor drew is town he probably thought that my encouraging others to speculate about the mechanics was scummy, but instead of asking me about my thought process regarding that, like why i thought that might be a good idea and such, what i thought the potential benefits were and such, why i might take that approach to the game, he simply voted me, and then encouraged others to vote, and now others are voting me as well, some without any interaction whatsoever, others like biancospino are at least engaging
like i have thought about plenty of things here i guess i don't understand the question?
i could have been questioned about my approach to the game, i could have been questioned about my speculation of the potential bastard mechanics, i could have been questioned about my feelings towards the way others have interacted with me, like it just feels like, like i know i am town here and doctor drew's approach to me gives no room for him to see that because it's just binary 'this behaviour is scummy' when it isn't i know for a fact that it isn't and it is frustrating for me because i recently replaced into a newbie game as inutile and was met with the same sort of approach, two players, both of whom were town it turned out, pushing me for how i play/my approach to the game without trying to sort me in any beneficial way, or so that is how it felt to me, so like i can give benefit of the doubt i know players take this approach to me sometimes as town, but i also know that i cannot really sort between whether or not it is coming from a towm or a scums perspective when it is just, 'demona is a scums! no reason to actually sort it just is!' ya knowhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 30, Doctor Drew wrote: I don't negotiate with terrorists.
But, ya know, you could not lose your mind over a vote on the third post of the game and make it all about yourself. You can easily just ignore ol tunnely asshole Drew and forward the game how you see fit.
Or you can try to climb up the ladder of who I will recruit tonight.
i am not a terrorist and i do not feel as though i am losing my mind about this, i just do not know how to address things and like
like i know your read of me is wrong and i do not have anyway to sort you outside of that so far and if you are town, or imaginality or biancospino, it seems important to me for you to see that because i know your views of the game are also wrong, and i would also prefer to get all of this out of the way up front because it just leads to more and more time wasted for all of you on maybe demona is a scums! if not addressed and such
but i will try to maybe take a step back and maybe focus on other things as to not 'make it all about myself' and whatnot, like i even knew this would be the criticism of my play here i have done this song and dance before, i just don't know how to avoid it and also correct everyone's views of the games i guess
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In post 32, Doctor Drew wrote:
Grandpa doesn't want to be recruited apparently.In post 31, GrandpaMo wrote: eh everyone pivot off demona they are handeling the pressure very well more than i expected
time TO PIVOT TO VOTE: imaginality FOR TOWNREADING ME DAY 1 THATS SCUM AF GOGOGOGOGO
And Demona, you phished for info....that is scummy behavior.
And I would argue that getting super defensive off of one vote on page 1 is not handling pressure well.....not to mention the ate.
i disagree in principle that that is scummy behaviour as can be seen from literally any game i have ever played in
and yesyes i know see:
In post 18, demona wrote: then the person pushing saying i am 'overly defensive' or something like that because i do not know how to sort the person pushing other than to continue to engage them and then that is portrayed as me only caring about reads on me and so forth and so on
i could have easily scripted your side of this interactionhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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well, uh, i am not new, or at least not particularly new, i have played 60ish games on siteIn post 34, GrandpaMo wrote: ngl drew, demona reminds me of me when im town lol . they might be new and them defending a vote and u pushing them is obviously going to get them to be defensive. think about it from their perspective, u vote them, they question ur vote and then they just joke and play around then 3 people like question them the same thing. this jsut looks like newb!town defense. ik they might be doing this as scum but i highly doubt it especially if they are a newer person.his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 40, GrandpaMo wrote: oh thats awkward. are u an alt?
for the most part i often make alts for each game i play in or at least for flavoured games i try to match the flavour in some way but for this game i already had an 'angela' account, my main, and a 'demona' account which perfectly fit the theme, so!
pedit: there are also lots of others accounts, but i think chavela is the main one i know i have played with others (meuh and greeting) from this game onhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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anyway that is e-2 +(his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 46, WhemeStar wrote: I’m sorry you made like 10 posts in response of Drew’s vote it’s to much
and you think that that is more likely to come from a scums? or you just think i've crossed some invisible line and thus must be voted?
but also, why do you feel grandpamo has too many posts? like imaginality commented on grandpamo not having posted which led me to clicking around games and it seems that grandpamo recently had a scum game with 800+ posts and much of the discourse at the end of that game seemed to revolve around scums spamming and such so i get why imaginality might have mentioned that even though it was so early in the game that like, grandpamo could have simply not seen the gamestart yet,
but now 7 posts later you're saying grandpamo has also crossed the line into 'too many posts' and i dunno like it doesn't seem impossible to me that grandpamo might have been defending me to earn some towny points but it certainly doesn't really feel like grandpamo is just posting to post to me,his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 48, WhemeStar wrote: Yes grandpa also posted to much
is it just the number to you? like the content is irrelevant?his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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also if someone could unvote so i could enjoy my run and such without having to worry about this i would appreciate it
like even if you do think this is somehow scum indicative of me or something we're like five hours into a two week dayhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 51, Doctor Drew wrote: I was starting to feel bad that I was targeting a newbie just trying to get their feet wet and I should allow them to settle in, but nope not the case apparently.
You are E-2, your only concern here seems like self preservation. Do you really think you will suddenly get two lol votes on you?
it is not my only concern but it is certainly a concern, why shouldn't it be?
and it doesn't take two lol votes if i am not going to be here, which shortly i am not, it takes one more vote of 'just want doctor drew to recruit me lol' or 'she posts too much' or whatever and then a lol hammer, which happens somewhat frequently, much more frequently than i would like, especially in this case,his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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and scums can very easily provide either of those votes with a built in defense because i think it's unlikely all of you are scums right like that wouldn't really be a game if y'all were sohis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 51, Doctor Drew wrote: I was starting to feel bad that I was targeting a newbie just trying to get their feet wet and I should allow them to settle in, but nope not the case apparently.
also still doesn't feel like you are at all considering my alignment
like i am not a newbie it is fairly unlikely i am ever going to 'settle in' since i have not up to this point
but why would you only feel bad if i were a newbie? like are you not even willing to consider at any point that i may be town who you're targeting? or are you saying you would do not feel bad for targeting me even though i am town because i am not a newbie and it is my own fault or something that you're pushing me for who i am as a player?his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 55, Doctor Drew wrote:
I could believe a newbie playing in a bastard game making that post, even as town.In post 54, demona wrote:In post 51, Doctor Drew wrote: I was starting to feel bad that I was targeting a newbie just trying to get their feet wet and I should allow them to settle in, but nope not the case apparently.
also still doesn't feel like you are at all considering my alignment
like i am not a newbie it is fairly unlikely i am ever going to 'settle in' since i have not up to this point
but why would you only feel bad if i were a newbie? like are you not even willing to consider at any point that i may be town who you're targeting? or are you saying you would do not feel bad for targeting me even though i am town because i am not a newbie and it is my own fault or something that you're pushing me for who i am as a player?
I have a hard time believing that someone who has been around the block, especially in wackier setups, would make that post.
well i did and i have made very similar posts before and i very likely will again
like if you're town it seems likely to me that we have a fundamental disagreement about the usefulness of information to town and the merits of speculating about bastard setups, like in the royalty and slaughter hour games throughout you can even see the applications of those speculation and how they could be beneficial to town at play
i guess i just do not understand why from your perspective that fundamental disagreement means i must be a scums and not just a towm who views things differently than you do,his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 58, Doctor Drew wrote: Listen, I think you were trying to get extra information out of people to help you along, imo scum would be the ones to benefit the most out of that, ergo....I think you are scum.
But as Granpa said this is going in circles, my vote will stay on you, but in the interest of moving things along a bit.....
What are your opinions on the votes/voters on you after me? I know you touched on it a little, but curious on how serious or jokey you think they are?
yes, that would be the fundamental disagreement - i think scums are likely to already have additional information and thus towns would benefit more from theorizing and! scums could potentially be found through how they approached discussions as well as in theory we might be able to tell the difference between informed speculation and uninformed speculation though in practice i dunno how good i might be at that particular aspect
biancospino felt like, from the way she was questioning also that she may have thought it might be more beneficial to scums as well, or that she saw that that is what you may have been saying, dunno how serious altogether - there was also the cult bit included but at the very least felt like she may have been exploring beyond that
imaginality i dunno, like thinking about the grandpamo line in his post makes it seem possible that his vote was an extension of that logic, like grandpamo isn’t posting a lot but demona seems to be! which like, ehh, still seems an odd time to make the grandpamo read to me since could have simply not seen thread yet so possible trying to plant that thought amongst others but also possibly just unrelated thoughts in same post and also joking cult thing again
like it makes it harder to weigh these things for me when players might just be thinking ‘well i think wagons are beneficial to sorting so i joined’ or things like that because you’re encouraging them to join, shrug
and then whemestar i am not even sure if whemestar is saying they just object to anyone posting large amounts or if they’re saying it’s scummy - it seems possible to me that whemestar is following up on potential imaginality logic or reading between the lines to seeing there is a potential angle to be made of posting a lot = scum but also could be ‘i think all games should be geriatric’ thus my attempted questioning of but, !his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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@grandpamo
i don’t want to copy paste the whole thing on mobile but what about it feels fabricated? like that’s how i am viewing those posts right now and there isn’t a lot to go off of
unless you just think it contrasts stylistically with my earlier posts which would likely just be because of phone and such
also don’t understand how you think I am ‘copying’ you - i am not very familiar with how you play not even sure i have read the entirety of a game you were in and unless you are an alt i have been playing here longer than you have and i don’t feel as though i have made any conscious adjustments to my play herehis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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i mean, i am frustrated by being scumread again for being me, that’s literally all it feels like from my perspective, like ‘this behaviour is scummy’ even if it is demonstrably true of me always
but could i have just not posted my frustrations? yes, when the game no longer feels like a game i generally shut down and stop playing, and if the game was upsetting me to the extent that my ate was an unavoidable outcome I wouldn’t post, like i have no interest in becoming a game ruining presence
and of course the purpose of all my posts is to be townread, i have said plenty of times i think one of the very most important things to do as town, if not the very most important, is to not be miseliminated
but i understand that that is also among scums goals so like i am not asking people to not sort me and such i am just encouraging everyone to do what they can to actually sort me because i am town here and the things i am being scumread for are personality/playstyle things
but i would like for them to do so upfront because it wastes alot of time otherwise and also distracts me from the rest of the game like i get that’s a failing on my part but i dunno how to fix ithis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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sighIn post 66, Doctor Drew wrote:
Tbf, I just voted them and then Jesus took the wheel of Demona vomiting words all over the screen.In post 65, GrandpaMo wrote:
dont its gonna waste ur time. its literally just drew pushing demona because they are being oddly interogative early in the game and AtE after pressured and going back in circlesIn post 64, WhemeStar wrote: I am going to try and backread all these posts when I’m on computer
I am just trying to suss out who I want to recruit.
sorry i guess
feels like an unfair way to approach me but, ehhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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like i even think it’s probably more likely to come from town!me by a significant margin but is scum!me aware of how town!me plays? yes of coursehis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 72, Doctor Drew wrote:
Well I was trying to be a bit funny there, I get my humor can be an acquired taste lol.In post 70, demona wrote:
sighIn post 66, Doctor Drew wrote:
Tbf, I just voted them and then Jesus took the wheel of Demona vomiting words all over the screen.In post 65, GrandpaMo wrote:
dont its gonna waste ur time. its literally just drew pushing demona because they are being oddly interogative early in the game and AtE after pressured and going back in circlesIn post 64, WhemeStar wrote: I am going to try and backread all these posts when I’m on computer
I am just trying to suss out who I want to recruit.
sorry i guess
feels like an unfair way to approach me but, eh
If you are town though, and this is just a play style issue(I can definitely relate to that), then eventually people will see this.
And if I caused you not to have fun playing this game, I do apologize.....I just want to play the game and have some fun as well, but I don't want to at the detriment of another player(unless you are in fact scum, then all bets are off lol).
yeah i know (as long as i am not hammered while relegated to periods of absence and phone posting for the rest of the real life day) it almost always shines through even in the newbie game i was talking about earlier i managed to get myself nightkilled night 2 i am just impatient and want everyone to see sooner because then if town they can get to actually solving the game, and i can get to actually solving the game as well
and most of my frustrations are with myself i know i do not express things well but i am not angry with you in anyway regardless of your alignment I just, i’m just not the player anyone wants me to be and i don’t know how to be any different like the things that interest me about this game are the theme (and i have previously moderated a bastardized version of purgatory myself) and how everything is possible in a bastard game and without that it’s just mafia ya know, but there are plenty of mafia things to go off of here as well and as always i will do my best and i know your goal isn’t to simply stop the game from being enjoyable for me, like i don’t really think anyone here is that spiteful or at least i hope not
and i know the solution to my being scumread for my approach and such is to only play like mountainous games or like trust fall, and i have done a good bit of that as well but it isn’t so exciting for mehis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 73, GrandpaMo wrote:
ur not answering my question. my question was a yes or no question. please answer it concisely. and also does this mean u admit that when drew voted u, u got frustrated? is that how your playstyle is, getting frustrated when people come at u? or are u getting frustrated when people come at u because ur being ur interogative/ate person.In post 69, demona wrote: @grandpamo
i mean, i am frustrated by being scumread again for being me, that’s literally all it feels like from my perspective, like ‘this behaviour is scummy’ even if it is demonstrably true of me always
but could i have just not posted my frustrations? yes, when the game no longer feels like a game i generally shut down and stop playing, and if the game was upsetting me to the extent that my ate was an unavoidable outcome I wouldn’t post, like i have no interest in becoming a game ruining presence
and of course the purpose of all my posts is to be townread, i have said plenty of times i think one of the very most important things to do as town, if not the very most important, is to not be miseliminated
but i understand that that is also among scums goals so like i am not asking people to not sort me and such i am just encouraging everyone to do what they can to actually sort me because i am town here and the things i am being scumread for are personality/playstyle things
but i would like for them to do so upfront because it wastes alot of time otherwise and also distracts me from the rest of the game like i get that’s a failing on my part but i dunno how to fix it
should have put ‘not concise’ on my bingo card as well,
your question is whether i am ‘playing up’ the ate, yes? which i feel i answered, like i am to some extent if you want to view it that way, i am certainly capable of making different posts than the ones i have made so far so that being the content i have provided is by choice to some extent, minus the time constraints for me actually making posts
but it isn’t fake,
and yes i was frustrated by doctor drew voting for me instead of trying to determine if what was pinging him was coming from scum or just from someone who thinks differently than he does, and also maybe that it then also cuts off the discussion i would have rather had and replaces it with ‘demona is a scums! vote for it!’ which is, uh, less enjoyable and less productive yeah
i generally do not get frustrated with those scumreading me if i can see how they got there and understand why they are weighing it the way they are or! if i am reasonably sure they are a scums
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In post 77, Doctor Drew wrote: It isn't the responsibility of the person voting you to explain every detail of why.
And let's be honest, you posted something and then I immediately voted you, isn't that explanation enough?
i wasn’t asking you to explain why you voted me, i assumed it was either because you thought the discussion I wanted to have was pro-scum or you thought it was an easy stance for you to take, i was asking you to explain why you were weighing it the way you were, why you were discounting the possibility that i was doing so as town, so i could maybe see if you were more likely doing so as town or scum,his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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and! if you’re town so that you would be more likely to see that i am town
as your approach to me seemingly cuts off that option altogetherhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 108, GrandpaMo wrote: can we hammer bianco
they are either negative utility 3rd party or scum
like im certain
mmm
you're really going to have to convince that biancospino is not town if you want me to hammer
like i don't even think it's a bad wagon or anything but my first instinct here is definitely to advocate for someone to unvote again because i am far from certain and i am not really sure how you are so sure
game feels altogether weird to me like i am missing something because so many players are just voting and little else and now everyone like, comfortable? with e-1 here,
and i guess i do not see why and most of the potential reasons i can think of for why are like, somewhat unlikely to be town reasonshis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 118, demona wrote: you're really going to have to convince that biancospino is not town if you want me to hammer
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i would maybe lean towards agreeing with this yeah
it feels like, like a near carbon copy of phir's initial read of me/someone pushing me from a previous game if phir is who i think they are, which could easily be faked as a scums of course but, like, based on that game i do not really think scum!phir would think i would become like, more elimable as the game went on, nor would i think that scum!phir would think that i would be pushed over there without them providing additional pressure or at least leaving themself the option of possibly hammering,
so it is like, if a scums phir would have likely been thinking it is beneficial to them for me to remain in the game, which seems maybe not so likely to me,his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 93, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: So what's Doctor Drew's alignment?
sososo like the push on me felt like, very standard paint by numbers
like
vote me
don't engage to not allow me to be town
then double down citing my reaction to being voted
et cetera
which comes from both towm and scums unfortunately but like, i really dunno how likely it is for a scums to basically say 'calm down if you're town everyone will see that' to me
like, yeah i dunno that strikes me as kinda towny, and also felt like,
true and helpful yeah
but then just voting biancospino because 'i like biancospino wagons' and not unvoting when whemestar sheeped that vote to e-1 is pretty ??? to me or even !!!his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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this is mostly why i feel like i am playing a different game from everyone else,
it's like, grandpamo voting and saying it's a serious vote without explanation, then multiple players saying it is an okay wagon/going to sheep, then doctor drew voting because he likes wagons on biancospino? even though he had just questioned the wagon himself and was not given a response that could have potential convinced him or anything, and then whemestar votes and says whemestar is sheeping doctor drew? and doctor drew seems to be just fine with that, and then grandpamo now encouraging hammer even though there's been no explanation provided
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isn't that hammer?his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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no??
but we have two weeks
and you just asked for a claim
and then didn't give any time for biancospino to claim?
sigh i really do not understand what is happening herehis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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oh nevermindhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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lol sorry i for some reason though you voted biancospino
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In post 117, Greeting wrote: And made a very weird soft-claim about a post restriction, which, quite frankly, sounds made up.
seems somewhat likely to be made up to me as well but towns also make up things like post restrictions
like it seems possible to me that grandpamo would make up a post restriction as a scums as well, though i would think maybe as scums grandpamo would be more likely to make that post restriction evident from the way he was posting
and also! i guess there was the somewhat focus from grandpamo on 'towns make things up too it's okay' when interacting with me, which as scums could have been planting similar logic for future use but eh, once again could also be town who simply believes that,
because, well, towns do sometimes make things uphis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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also while i do not think greeting is scummy i guess i do not see why grandpamo is scummy either
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In post 134, demona wrote: because, well, towns do sometimes make things up
and based on my limited interactions, grandpamo does seem more like than some, or maybe even most to make up a post restriction as town to me
of course not as likely as, say, hectic
but more likely than most yeahhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 137, Phir wrote:
Mo can be town. But. The urge to hammer, then s wantsme want biancoto claim for theyre in range.In post 135, demona wrote:
also while i do not think greeting is scummy i guess i do not see why grandpamo is scummy either
but wagons etc
I might vote between imaginality and wheme for now. Grreeting total null, can swing both ways.
VOTE: Whemestar
Are you on board with a biancospino hammer?
i assume grandpamo probably has some sort of familiarity with biancospino that i do not, but yeah i would like it to be explained and such,
certainly not without biancospino returning, and even then i would rather just continue to weigh like i do not get the rush, nor why there's such certainly
like i questioned the same thing but i dunno if it makes grandpamo more likely to be a scumshis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 149, Greeting wrote: The second one is the claim itself. What is the purpose of claiming this, and on top of that claiming it so early in Day 1? It is not verifiable and ultimately leaves more questions than answers.
hmm, well if it is true the purpose is likely simply to inform the town, though i am not sure why it would be a partial claim if truthful, like you'd probably either just claim the whole thing or wait to claim i would think
if not truthful and towm, i'd assume the purpose is some combination of potentially wifoming the scums and maybe grandpamo thinks it would be fun
if not truthful and a scums, i'd assume the purpose is to cause confusion by generating discussion about something irrelevant
like it seems somewhat unlikely scum!grandpamo would think a post restriction would be something to make up to be townreadhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 152, demona wrote:In post 149, Greeting wrote: The second one is the claim itself. What is the purpose of claiming this, and on top of that claiming it so early in Day 1? It is not verifiable and ultimately leaves more questions than answers.
hmm, well if it is true the purpose is likely simply to inform the town, though i am not sure why it would be a partial claim if truthful, like you'd probably either just claim the whole thing or wait to claim i would think
if not truthful and towm, i'd assume the purpose is some combination of potentially wifoming the scums and maybe grandpamo thinks it would be fun
if not truthful and a scums, i'd assume the purpose is to cause confusion by generating discussion about something irrelevant
like it seems somewhat unlikely scum!grandpamo would think a post restriction would be something to make up to be townread
i guess could also be truthful and not towm in theory and then the purpose would be like, to be 'helpful' by sharing information i guess?his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 146, Phir wrote: The one thing I wonder about imaginality is about the cat scrathc vote just when bianco was put at-e1
There's just that fade away. Along with cat scratch being okay with it. Neither urges wheme or drew and unvote.
Imag who votes cat is ok with bianco being put at hammer range with cat there?
Mo then urges the hammer? Scum in wheme/cat/imag/mo/drew if bianco green?
just quoting this to remind myself to look into later when i can sit down with the big magnifying glasshis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 166, Phir wrote: These poems are sus
all faust quotes i think unless i missed onehis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 185, GrandpaMo wrote: if you think bianco is more townier than me
okay but what if...
you explained to your legions of adoring fans why biancospino is not so towny to you, as a treathis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 178, Phir wrote: Im happy with towncore.
so i assume from your posts that the towncore is, uh, me and you? but who are the others you are happy with?his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 189, GrandpaMo wrote: anyways my post restriction is coming up so ima be coasting
mm i feel like i could spend years iterating on an angels and demons bastard theme game and never have one single version with a post restriction like 'can only make 50 posts in a two week long day' or anything remotely similar to that
and sure mykonian and i are surely dissimilar in many ways
but still so so hard for me to see
and but so also thankyou for explanation re:biancospinohis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 199, Doctor Drew wrote: Also, stop being scared of E-1 people
i am going to continue to be scared of e-1 i simply do not see the benefit
especially! because you have expressed the desire for a moratorium on setup stuff
and, uh, other than potential claim what do we get out of putting someone to e-1 right now
i don't get it like it still just seems like inviting potential disaster for ??? payoff to mehis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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like maybe it'd encourage whemestar to walk us through logic regarding posts and such? but i am kinda hoping that is going to happen soon anyway and am willing to give benefit of doubt regarding pc thing and such like when at a computer i assume whemestar will post beyond the scope of what they have so far,
and it's not like there are no other avenues for us to pursue in the meantime,his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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alsoalso i am pretty sure this is not what grandpamo was saying there,In post 197, imaginality wrote: With your take that bianco soft-pushed demona before hopping off, are you saying demona is bianco's scumbuddy?
i think he's simply saying that the act of pushing me but not hard committing in anyway and then abandoning it altogether when the wagon no longer seemed viable was scummy,
like seeing the pressure from doctor drew, biancospino may have felt it was an opportunity, and then when it was no longer an opportunity biancospino abandoned
which maybe i could see, yeah, though it also seems quite possible that by the time biancospino returned to the thread she felt it was apparent i was town and didn't feel the need to comment upon
also maybe worth noting that i had a similar feeling about grandpamo at one point, like when grandpamo said i was likely newb!town and then when told i was not new he put me back to null and it kinda felt like maybe he was hoping for someone else to then join the wagon, but idk,
hard committing to me being town under conditions that were already known to be false due to previous posts in the thread and then walking it back is kinda hm yeah
pedit: i appreciate the frequency of votecounts (and faust)!his unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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In post 204, WhemeStar wrote: Demona what are your thoughts on the person I am voting
i still think the timing of imaginality's read of grandpamo when voting me was kinda odd but i think his readslist was mostly fine even though joining the push on you is like, easy and kinda eh, but maybe consistent with his earlier post regarding joining my wagon, like 'wagons are good' sort of logic;
what are your thoughts on the person you are voting? like beyond like, 'likely a scums!' or whateverhis unkindness may defeat my life but never taint my love
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