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this game is in high definition

VOTE: something smart

very late congrats for becoming a list mod!!!

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VOTE: grandpa

sorry that's simply too many "ngl"s in a row

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how many more pages before we get to the killin

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how many more pages before we get to the killin

Who you wanna kill?

idk yet but i think we all signed up for this game expecting a bloodbath of some sorts

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Post 14 sucking up to the listmod, caught scum.

everybody knows that for every 10 times you suck up to a listmod they let you ban someone. it's sort of like a punch card system.

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grandpa doubling down on the usage of "ngl" is deeply concerning. why do they feel the need to keep iterating they're not gonna lie? kinda sus ngl

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the nsg tell is where nsg tells me im scum in every game im scum w her

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man i was hoping this would be like a 9 page game like one of the last ones

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MINE

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drew maybe town

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Unless your an alt i don't believe we have played together, as i'm from further back then 2021, and i only recently came back

Oh I remembered now, I was once reading about the safehouse mechanic on the wiki and there was a reference to a game where it was used and you were in it so I read it. Was like a year ago.

My read of it I mean. The game was like 10 years ago.

this is oddly specific. interesting how u can remember someone who wasnt active for over a year in a part of wiki u read from a year ago.

I'm a memorable sort of guy, not to mention, also realize that the game they are referencing is back when Mafiascum wasn't quite as.... Politically Correct, so reading it last year or so would be quite a shock nowadays.

drew maybe town

im starting to dislike drew here. seems like how they were when they were scum wit me . they are just following where the pressure is leading them. possible tryna foreshadow a pocket to jason

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Lol, I that is because the rest of my scum team(you, Alisae, and FB) were spamming the thread, all I had to do was lightly sheep them.

And I highly doubt I would be able to pocket Jason if I were scum l.

that was def a core memory lol

but im pretty sure ur playstyle can be capable of doing that -- ur very quiet but can be mischevious sometimes

Well I mean Jason specifically I doubt I could pocket. But yes am more of a shit poster.

But I don't see why you don't think Jason's concerns were valid, especially if they never played with you.

And I still don't get why you think KT's interlude with Jason is so sketch.

I mean my concerns are valid, but the way your directing them seems odd.

Not to mention, seems weird to point it out given my... personality and knowing that i would never drop anything i thought was useful.

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UNVOTE: GrandpaSpino
VOTE: Skygazer

Seems kinda odd to complain that the game isn't on page 9 when you have done absolutely nothing to even try and progress the game.

im not arguing there should be more posts im arguing we should get to the killy part relatively quickly

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i clearly have not figured out the selective quoting

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also i called drew like maybe town, that's gotta count for something

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mine?

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okay sorry alianna

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im not arguing there should be more posts im arguing we should get to the killy part relatively quickly

Then do something that gets us there?

Like you seem more concerned with getting a page top then doing anything useful.

And Jason, was less about you and more about how Mo moved off you and tried to make KT look sketch.

Fair enough, still seems odd to point it out when it's someone like me, and i don't let redirection like that slide if i'm still in place on someone.

get used to being disappointed in my play! my vote on Grandpa isn't RVS if that means anything

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get used to being disappointed in my play! my vote on Grandpa isn't RVS if that means anything

I never see the point of this stuff, like how does playing like this end up being fun?

jason. i like you and i like this.

now let me fuck with you. what does supersaint do?

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why would you like this if your argument is that i'm misrepresenting you (to some extent in that you are clearly implying you are town)?

how is anything i have talked about role pms alignment indictative. like from my pov, i could have done this as town, not geninuly knowing my role INFO until u said something. i knew my role name because i had to confirm it, i just didnt read any of what it is. and then from my pov, i could have done this as scum, trying to fake a townslip? but i dont understand why i would get myself in that mess in the first place knwoing you were already pressuring me

in fact, to give you more context, i didnt even know mafia goon had the rb / doc ability till i read the wiki for the 2nd time. im not saying this to give me a town cred, its just for u to move on because this is discussion that is not gonna progress us lol

Again it comes down to you calling out 2 days as a metric for how long this game will take.

You get Vig, and think we will lim scum first day, surely you think then that it should only take 1 (unless your implying you read the part where it's possible your firing blanks, at which point you have to think about what this setup contains.)

You get Bomb, Bomb is non-standard, so i assume you at least read part of the Role PM and will have read this (Quote is from the wiki)

If you are successfully shot at night

(Blank Vig targets don't count)

, the player to shoot you will also die.

this has so many implications about killing roles, that you probably have to figure out that this game is going to be high kill count and go with 1 day as well.

Supersaint is the one that doesn't match this line of thinking, but your also less likely to be Super Saint over just being scum (average of 1.5 Super saint's in the game, chance for there to be none, also chance for there to be more) this then implying that without considering anything else other then this line of thinking, your better then a coin flip to be scum over town just based on odds.

That said also given that, i think it's better to deal with something like that at night anyway, hence the move off of the vote and trying to get information elsewhere.

i mean im not saying i'm gonna play like nk15 or NM, i just mean temper your expectations for me.

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i dont like how grandpa hasnt responded to my scumreading them

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i dont like how grandpa hasnt responded to my scumreading them

What is there to respond to?

That's just like me now saying that i scum read for example, Alianna, and just not saying anything but expecting a response anyway.

Like ok, you have an unbacked up thought, back it up with something and maybe it's response worthy.

generally i feel like town ppl are more like willing to ask "why" while scum generally ignore it and hope it goes away

at least thats what i do

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grandpa also feels overly defensive

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jason and i are getting off on the wrong foot so lets start over:

hi jason! im skygazer. i am trying my best but my best will not be very good

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What part's seem overly defensive, and not just responses to what has been said/asked?

defensive may be the wrong word but like they're overly wordy and i don't like their responses; i can elaborate after work.

We are playing Mafia, there is no right foot to start with, the idea of the game is us being suspicious of each other from the start, in fact, why are you so worried about getting in my good graces?

bc you seem like the type to annoyingly tunnel me and i actually want to enjoy this game

And just to double down, how can Grandpa be overly defensive, while also ignoring your post saying you scum read him?

And why do you think people will respond to a nothing post saying nothing of substance with a why, and not just expect you to actually explain yourself?

Like why not skip the useless step in between and just have you say why in the first place?

idk it's interesting to see how people react/not react to certain things. there's also an element of i don't have a lot to go on.

i'm having a really bad day so im gonna disappear for a bit

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sorry phone posting hard

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Sorry, feel better! When you get back: Are you still feeling town for Drew?

hmmm not sure! was goin off of vibes.

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I think my RVS vote can stay.

I don't like Merlyn's responses to pressure.

what don't you like?

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hmmm

VOTE: kitty

kitty's posts give me the ick

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they give an aura of solving without like actual solving

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that may be all the thought i can spare tonight. today kicked my butt!

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they give an aura of solving without like actual solving

I'm sorry i'm confused, what post(/s) specifically gives you this feeling?

honestly not feeling this as strongly but the quick-fire reads just felt like lukewarm/safe takes

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Not liking something_smart that much here either right now.

I'll probably be getting more into this game soon but not tonight because I have to give a final exam.

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point taken

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yall aren't really doing much to inspire me to open my mouth more. maybe on my next post someone can give me a nice sticker and like a "good job" or something

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i was (mostly) joking but i have been in somewhat of a funk i'm trying to get out of

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That is to say: it is a me problem and I shouldn't be making it a problem for anyone else to dance around

pedit: sounds good!! ty

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finally done professing for the semester

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hi sorry my life is tumultuous. roommate was missing but she turned up. more from me tonight

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shes fine but her dad died so she took off to nyc without telling anyone

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the push i wanna make right now will be stressful for me to make so i'm putting it off so i can get my ducks in a row and etc etc

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i am anti mass claim

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hmm i forgor about this

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i'm getting drunk tonight and suspect i'll be hungover tomorrow so expect mostly drunken shitposts followed by silence until tomorrow evening

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Uhhh the player I wanted to push was Something_Smart but I can't remember why. Kinda felt like they were trying to pocket me but in hindsight it looks like they were just trying to extend an olive branch to a struggling player.

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GS's L-1 on Merlyn vote kinda feels townish to me somehow? Their volume of posting probably doesn't come from scum either here.

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thats actually fair i deserve that after schadd's game

dw i wont out any masons

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i will have plenty of drunken things to say tonight

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I am on beer number 6 already!! my friend and i are watching the beavis and butthead movie. its okay. i kinda wanna run a beavis and butthead mafia

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i went way too hard whoops

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im almost 30 what am i doing

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dear diary: today i slept most of the day. hangovers certainly hit differently when you're almost 30.

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Here's a weak gamestate read: I feel like scum would be less likely to push me here out of fear of being called opportunistic.

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Sorry, been a bit sick over the weekend.

Here's a weak gamestate read: I feel like scum would be less likely to push me here out of fear of being called opportunistic.

That's an... interesting thing to

say

, even if you believe it's true. Since it's self-defeating. Now that you've all but said "voting for me is town!", if we were to take you seriously, then yes, whover votes for you shall look opportunistic

I disagree that it's self-defeating. I think after saying it out loud it loses weight for future votes, but my wagon was pretty stagnant for a minute so. But I think in a game with a high number of potential vig shots that scum will be trying their best to appear active and townie without making waves or pissing anyone off.

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UNVOTE:

down to hammer whoever to prevent someone townier than me getting super sainted

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I will absolutely follow through with it! Nothing to lose bc I wouldn't be surprised if a vig shot comes my way anyways.

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Uhhhh I'm not sure who I'm scum reading I should probably catch up soon huh

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wheeeeee

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i do wanna play but its not working out brain wise or timing wise

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Staying in the shadows is a shitty scum strat in a game with a million vigs anyways

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I could go kitty or alianna but merlyn seems town to me just looking @ their iso. Kinda null on the former two tho

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I'm just gonna force myself to sit down tonight and get some opinions formed so uhhh get ready to roast me

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especially if I flip during the night!

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oh right i forgot deadline was today

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hmmm but a flip might be better going into the night

and who knows we could have only blank vigs!

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theres like a 7 percent chance all the vigs are blank i think

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which is high enough to consider as a possibility tbh

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jason i dont wanna start shit but your adversarialism is a major aspect behind me not being able to get into this game. like every time you reply to me its just *stress*

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jason i dont wanna start shit but your adversarialism is a major aspect behind me not being able to get into this game. like every time you reply to me its just *stress*

granted i probably should just not play mafia and stick to modding but ye

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jason i dont wanna start shit but your adversarialism is a major aspect behind me not being able to get into this game. like every time you reply to me its just *stress*

And yet when i gave you room you also did nothing.

i mean the damage had already been done my guy

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I'm not saying it's okay, I'm saying that it just set a tone that made me avoidant.

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And it's not the being looked at part that bothers me! That happens, the game is literally based around that. It's just not the atmosphere for me.

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Like making a small point and immediately being responded to with "oh we're making shit up now?" is so fucking demotivating

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I'm more than aware that my play sucks but there's no need to be a dick about it, it's a game. Can we keep it lighter?

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I posit this: one or both of the major wagons certainly gets shot at anyways so why not flip one of us now so anyone with a shot has some info to go off of going into the night. Could be me or kitty, idc. In the unlikely but still *very feasible* situation in which no one gets vigged we still have something to go off of.

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I like merlyn for town but its hard to explain.

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i like did the math for only blank vigs in the 3 4 and 5 vig scenarios then did (3vig + 4vig + 4vig + 5vig) / 4 to get the averaged odds

sorry if thats confusing i just smoked a bowl

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i took ap stat a decade ago :D

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VOTE: kitty

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sorry for cutting it close i got distracted

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in a previous iteration that info wasn't in the flip

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E-mail notifications are your friend!

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Why'd ya shoot them?

I also shot them

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Bc I don't see why Drew would shoot GS and I wanna see the reasoning.

But to be fair I kept my read there close to the chest too so I didn't get RB'd. Something's bomb speculation on me was helpful too.

I shot GS because of Mo's three scum "town slip." Felt really forced and I went back and saw they had already shown they were aware it was a two scum game and I refused to buy the "slip."

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Do we think last scum was on the kitty wagon? I'm feelin like that's where I wanna look.

I'm not sure if I buy Drew but I'm not sure if they claim shooting as scum aaa ig theres not much to lose from fakeclaiming tho

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It was nice bc I didn't get vigged!! I can see you thinking that I guess. I wasn't about to argue against it lol

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I think that musing leans town.
If you're scum and you think Sky is a bomb, do you tell the vigilantes that? Probably not. I wouldn't, at least.

agree w this

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UNVOTE:

I don't exactly expect any hasty hammers this game but let me think.

i feel like if scum-alianna would be less likely to unvote someone at e-1 since that'd be her derailing a miselim in that world. idk, it stuck out to me in her iso

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Hot damn I suck at finding associatives. I got town vibes from Merlyn and also I'm not sure if they ask the mod to prod GS if they're scum together. Uhh Something_Smart seems town here. I'll trust other people that drew would be less likely to fakeclaim that vig shot, but I don't like Drew's iso after the GS flip to be honest. I could see T3 or Alianna but I don't feel that strongly about either and I think it's fairly likely I'm wrong on a townread...

Reads list will come after a reread and hopefully I can get a better handle on this!

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Suspicious of Drew just accepting I shot scum after my horrendous reads in schadd_'s large normal!!!

(/s)

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I'm not sure if they ask the mod to prod GS if they're scum together

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What's the reasoning for this? I don't remember the context but wouldn't scum want their buddy to show up and post?

Ya but I feel in that instance scum would PM the mod? Like I'm thinking scum would be averse to the idea of asking their partner to be prodded out in the open for some reason. Kind of a moon logic read I admit

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And I know you are least somewhat competent at Mafia.

*lie detected*

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Ya I'll give this a reread tomorrow as I'll have the day off!

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Merlyn is sooo townie here fyi that post killed my remaining doubts. Mindmelding on the Drew stuff because I don't remember seeing much of anything about GS in his iso and was surprised he said he shot there. Drew's 630 doesn't align with my memory of his iso but I was planning on checking that tomorrow.

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should i drunkenly hammer

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jk

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today is tomorrow right? i got invited to drink w a friend last sec whoops but i'll read 2nite

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unless i was supposed to read yesterday in which case im sorry

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god drew looks so bad here

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i kinda wanna hammer but am trying to be less impulsive

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100% on vig shots though

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sample size: one

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T3's unvote reads as town but I want to see what they have to say

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I'm kind of concerned by how many people went from "Drew probably wouldn't claim the shot as scum" to "Drew is probably scum"

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huh i thought some other people said that too

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ah i misread something from alianna i think

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that kind of fits drew tbh

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also maybe merlyn but like their L-1 vote on merlyn makes me lean towards merlyn-town

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*E-1

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I think the only thing I said about Drew was they were townish. Some other people were SRing him to various degrees I think so I could see him getting protected last night over GS. Unfortunately you're right and I think I could see a lot of people getting protected over GS except maybe you

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i kinda wanna hammer but am trying to be less impulsive

Lol, I mean this in the most jokingly loving way.....but it is like you have a site wide post restriction to never vote scum.

i've been wondering if this is a very cheeky scum joke considering i'm not voting drew but that would be so brazen

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i kinda wanna do drew followed by any leftover vigs piling onto T3

although ig we know drew isnt a bomb so maybe we should do the other way around?

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hmm i remembered someone disagreeing when i said drew lean town but i went back and checked and that was GS

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Alianna and I both put Drew as towny. I don't think anyone else (except for GS) expressed an opinion on him.

this feels kinda suboptimal bc if they targeted docced scum theyll just hit docced scum again

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Oh yeah, something just occurred to me.

If you are a vig, and you did not shoot Jason or GS, shoot the same target tonight. Because probably you're blank, but on the off chance you're live, you likely shot the scum who was docced.

^meant to quote this

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ah true!

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I'm here right now:

Something_Smart
Merlyn
Alianna
T3
Doctor Drew

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uh haha no silly, it says "I HEART SCIM." like the milk

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i knew i shouldn't have worn a tanktop today

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uhh in that case it says "I HEART SCAM"

no wait

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Now that 1079 is over that's another reason I'm townreading Merlyn here; not a super fleshed out meta read but I feel like she's responded to pressure differently here

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hmmmmm

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my biggest concern against eliminating drew is how little he was trying to explain shooting GS. it was such a non answer that I'm tempted to think it could come from town. aaaaaaa

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I think we should probably get a claim from T3 before we go too much further?

oh i didn't say but i agree w this

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honestly i'm wondering if a mass claim could break this game in some form but probably not

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also ya that looks like a crumb to me as well

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ooo a hammer opportunity

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i'm so indecisive on this tho

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i townread both of them. i'd rather die tonight over something (feel like the NK definitely comes down between us here) so i don't think he should out to keep scum worrying about bombs

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merlyn probably doesnt get shot so im fine if she outs i guess

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idk i'll defer to something on mechanical stuff

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Let's say you're town, Drew. Are you willing to bet the game on Something being town?

pedit oh

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funny timing

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same

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i don't have any objections per se but i just had another thought hold on

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we should go for T3 today

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i don't wanna say really but there are reasons it's mechanically correct

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i'm indifferent towards alianna vs merlyn. i'll go with making T3 hammer merlyn since that's what something suggested

VOTE: merlyn

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vigis definitely holster

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this is essentially auto if we trust in something being town anyways. hmmmm

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i guess it's not hurting anything to say that drew could be clear depending on something's role. any scum worth their salt would've already figured that out based on the claims. i'm not sure if something should claim though.

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this game has a minimum of three vigs. i'm a vig, jason flipped vig, and drew claimed vig. drew could be clear if something is not a vig.

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t3 claimed bomb i think

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i think drew plays this differently as scum anyways. i think scum claiming supersaint is kind of suicidal so merlyn and alianna are probably town. something is most likely town. so i think it's just T3

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i need a vote count sighs

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i can make one in an hour or so maybe

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how funny would it be if i wasnt paying attention and accidentally hammered merlyn

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or by sacrificing a goat

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damn we really should have conserved our 1-shot goat

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well T3 was online last night and had nothing to say apparently

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deadline is (expired on 2023-06-06 00:57:00) so we got time at least

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spicy

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well if this aint it good luck tomorrow

vigis holster

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if T3 is scum they're probably just banking on merlyn lying or something or gave up. the lack of pushback on the plan makes me nervous tho

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does anybody have any goats

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i know in my game cakez said he was goin through some life stuff so i just wanna say take ur time and etc etc life is more important than mafia!!

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It's proper for T3 to not claim as scum here. You shouldn't out yourself like that if there's any world, however remote, where you can still win.

ye exactly

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life is more important than mafia!!

some people on this site would disagree w me though lol

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i mean not *whatever* she wants

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gg!! no hard feelings @ jason i was just AtEing

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sorry i played like garbo day one

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lmao at everyone shooting GS

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i just wanna say my instincts were telling me for the longest time to lolhammer drew and that's why those things can't be trusted