Open 880 - Normal Idea Mafia - Postgame

[usesPython]

they also tried to wiggle drew as possible scum

To use your own words, we don't think Drew's scum but he's also not mech clear

[Alianna]

3.05

Votecount 3.05

Save The Dragons (1): biancospino
Flavor Leaf (1): usesPython

Not Voting (7): Invisibility, camelCasedSnivy, BlueSnakelet, Save The Dragons, Infinity 324, Doctor Drew, Flavor Leaf

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-08-29 16:11:11).

[Infinity 324]

sigh yeah that claim is somewhat believable, I still think the lim should probably be std though

I think flavor is most likely town here. especially if std flips maf, the hem kill was a pretty big mistake I doubt sk!flavor would make. if not, flavor could still be mafia I guess, I do think d1 was low-key enough that maf!flavor tries to strongarm a town lim. maybe he's worried that I'd be skeeved out by that since I was one of the loudest voices, but that's a bit tinfoil. I think I'm biased since I keep playing against scum!flavor and never town!flavor

[Alianna]

I'll be V/LA through Thursday due to lack of computer access. I should be able to keep up with mod duties (modding from a phone is pain though lol).

[Infinity 324]

say std flips scum. if scum doesn't know whether bianco will protect snivy, it makes it a bit difficult for them to kill snivy. maybe they outwifom us but for now let's say they kill snakelet. flavor blocks python so they are cleared, and snivy clear flavor, we lim me and bianco and we should win this game.

if std flips town, it's more difficult but I think we do the same strategy. if scum kill snakelet invis, python and flavor are cleared and tbh I trust snivy and drew enough to just elim outside of those 4 which should hit scum. well it would be me and bianco but yeah fmpov I don't think we get there, I really think snivy is town and drew has to be a couple specific scum roles to be scum there.

[Infinity 324]

oh is it a good time to claim that I still have a doc shot left and this game is probably solved if I protect bianco

[Infinity 324]

too much rl shit going on in the night phase, I mean it was all calculated LMAO

[camelCasedSnivy]

unless theres a strongman

[Infinity 324]

damn scum roles. yeah I guess I'm willing to risk it

[Infinity 324]

mafia can't have a strongman cause the only strongman is a traitor

[Infinity 324]

if std flips scum we definitely do the plan, in that case we're clearing flavor and python, bianco can't shoot himself and it would have to be drew who made a very strange play as sk strongman

if std is town maybe there's a better way to do this, like being ambiguous about whether we're using the protects

[usesPython]

if std flips town, it's more difficult but I think we do the same strategy. if scum kill snakelet invis, python and flavor are cleared and tbh I trust snivy and drew enough to just elim outside of those 4 which should hit scum. well it would be me and bianco but yeah fmpov I don't think we get there, I really think snivy is town and drew has to be a couple specific scum roles to be scum there.

One scum will no-kill for a day to force the roleblock to not be a clear, it's not something that can be relied on when making the POE

mafia can't have a strongman cause the only strongman is a traitor

Multitasking Roleblocker SK and probably some other mafia roles but the site is dying for me rn

[Infinity 324]

wait flavor can be the strongman but limming me and flavor should win in that case

what if (if std flips town) bianco babysits an non-snivy cleared slot and I protect snivy, that at least makes it difficult on scum to coordinate their kills even if there's a strongman. worst case is a 4v1v1 with me, python (cleared), flavor, bianco, drew, and another cleared slot.

maybe it's worse to only have 1 kill and then that frames python? idk I feel like we're close

wait does strongman go through a roleblock?

pedit: yeah you're right

I looked and couldn't find a mafia strongman besides a traitor

[usesPython]

maybe it's worse to only have 1 kill and then that frames python? idk I feel like we're close

If STD is scum we mechanically win with an STD flip

If STD is town then we don't have a winning POE after a solo N3 Snivy NK because the POE is:

1. Invisibility - conftown (Snivy)
   
2. BlueSnakelet - conftown (FN)
   
3. biancospino - Novice Babysitter
   
4. usesPython - 1-shot Bulletproof
   
5. Infinity 324 - 2-shot Doctor
   
6. Doctor Drew - Even Night Gunsmith
   
7. Flavor Leaf - Odd Night Roleblocker

and the Snivy shot can go through because FL can just RB bianco and we have no way of telling and at that point we're at MeLo with no way to tighten the POE

[usesPython]

If you're voting STD cause you think he's mafia that's one thing, but lazily voting STD for gunsmith results when we don't see any STD associatives and see plenty of FL associatives will probably lose us the game

[Infinity 324]

maybe it's worse to only have 1 kill and then that frames python? idk I feel like we're close

If STD is scum we mechanically win with an STD flip

If STD is town then we don't have a winning POE after a solo N3 Snivy NK because the POE is:

1. Invisibility - conftown (Snivy)
   
2. BlueSnakelet - conftown (FN)
   
3. biancospino - Novice Babysitter
   
4. usesPython - 1-shot Bulletproof
   
5. Infinity 324 - 2-shot Doctor
   
6. Doctor Drew - Even Night Gunsmith
   
7. Flavor Leaf - Odd Night Roleblocker

and the Snivy shot can go through because FL can just RB bianco and we have no way of telling and at that point we're at MeLo with no way to tighten the POE

what if I protect snivy?

idk I'm sort of ok losing to be very unlucky with the gunsmith result

we still can win at that point it's just harder

I do think fl tries to push a town lim d1 as mafia. it wouldn't have even been that hard.

[usesPython]

what if I protect snivy?

No matter who does the protect it runs into the same problem of "was the protector lying or did FL rb them or do we have a Multitasking Roleblocker SK and both people did their job?"

Like we straight up do not have a viable POE if we hit town today

[usesPython]

I do think fl tries to push a town lim d1 as mafia. it wouldn't have even been that hard.

FL repped in like a day before the deadline hit, it would have been hard

[usesPython]

Like can someone explain to us how FL would have counterwagoned a townie when the two main wagons were both Mafia and they repped in a day before the deadline, who's the viable counter counter wagon?

[Infinity 324]

well aureal and help were clearly viable wagons also skygazer and std maybe

[usesPython]

well aureal and help were clearly viable wagons also skygazer and std maybe

They were not when FL repped in, go reread 435 onward.

[usesPython]

Like it took until 644 for the Aureal wagon to happen and that was a pretty unexpected flashwagon that then went to a heip flashwagon because Aureal claimed IC and voted for him and everyone else sheeped her, at no point was there any real indication that there was a viable wagon outside of hem/uno from the time FL repped in until like a day before the extended deadline

[Infinity 324]

what if I protect snivy?

No matter who does the protect it runs into the same problem of "was the protector lying or did FL rb them or do we have a Multitasking Roleblocker SK and both people did their job?"

Like we straight up do not have a viable POE if we hit town today

there's no multitasking roleblocker sk afaict

there's always the risk of strongman but I think it's way more likely that flavor is town than the sk is one particular role

idk. like I'm sort of wondering why bianco claimed what she did as scum so maybe it's just std/flavor anyway.

or are you scum? idk i just feel like it's best to let flavor at least get a check before we lim him and it definitely benefits scum!you to not have that happen

[biancospino]

Heip went through because it was viable. The fact that it didn't happen before doesn't make it not viable then. I'm sure Flavor could pull that off if he had put his mind to it

if std flips town, it's more difficult but I think we do the same strategy. if scum kill snakelet invis, python and flavor are cleared and tbh I trust snivy and drew enough to just elim outside of those 4 which should hit scum. well it would be me and bianco but yeah fmpov I don't think we get there, I really think snivy is town and drew has to be a couple specific scum roles to be scum there.

One scum will no-kill for a day to force the roleblock to not be a clear, it's not something that can be relied on when making the POE

mafia can't have a strongman cause the only strongman is a traitor

Multitasking Roleblocker SK and probably some other mafia roles but the site is dying for me rn

Can we please not just do a collab work on the theory of what scum should do

maybe it's worse to only have 1 kill and then that frames python? idk I feel like we're close

If STD is scum we mechanically win with an STD flip

If STD is town then we don't have a winning POE after a solo N3 Snivy NK because the POE is:

1. Invisibility - conftown (Snivy)
   
2. BlueSnakelet - conftown (FN)
   
3. biancospino - Novice Babysitter
   
4. usesPython - 1-shot Bulletproof
   
5. Infinity 324 - 2-shot Doctor
   
6. Doctor Drew - Even Night Gunsmith
   
7. Flavor Leaf - Odd Night Roleblocker

and the Snivy shot can go through because FL can just RB bianco and we have no way of telling and at that point we're at MeLo with no way to tighten the POE

How is 1:1:5 MeLo. Especially with protectives in the mix. It just isn't

[usesPython]

How is 1:1:5 MeLo. Especially with protectives in the mix. It just isn't

4/1/1 after the mislim into 2/1/1 which likely isn't a town win given how many SK roles can get around the 1/1/1 dillema