sigh yeah that claim is somewhat believable, I still think the lim should probably be std though
I think flavor is most likely town here. especially if std flips maf, the hem kill was a pretty big mistake I doubt sk!flavor would make. if not, flavor could still be mafia I guess, I do think d1 was low-key enough that maf!flavor tries to strongarm a town lim. maybe he's worried that I'd be skeeved out by that since I was one of the loudest voices, but that's a bit tinfoil. I think I'm biased since I keep playing against scum!flavor and never town!flavor
say std flips scum. if scum doesn't know whether bianco will protect snivy, it makes it a bit difficult for them to kill snivy. maybe they outwifom us but for now let's say they kill snakelet. flavor blocks python so they are cleared, and snivy clear flavor, we lim me and bianco and we should win this game.
if std flips town, it's more difficult but I think we do the same strategy. if scum kill snakelet invis, python and flavor are cleared and tbh I trust snivy and drew enough to just elim outside of those 4 which should hit scum. well it would be me and bianco but yeah fmpov I don't think we get there, I really think snivy is town and drew has to be a couple specific scum roles to be scum there.
if std flips scum we definitely do the plan, in that case we're clearing flavor and python, bianco can't shoot himself and it would have to be drew who made a very strange play as sk strongman
if std is town maybe there's a better way to do this, like being ambiguous about whether we're using the protects
In post 1179, Infinity 324 wrote:
if std flips town, it's more difficult but I think we do the same strategy. if scum kill snakelet invis, python and flavor are cleared and tbh I trust snivy and drew enough to just elim outside of those 4 which should hit scum. well it would be me and bianco but yeah fmpov I don't think we get there, I really think snivy is town and drew has to be a couple specific scum roles to be scum there.
One scum will no-kill for a day to force the roleblock to not be a clear, it's not something that can be relied on when making the POE
In post 1184, Infinity 324 wrote:
mafia can't have a strongman cause the only strongman is a traitor
Multitasking Roleblocker SK and probably some other mafia roles but the site is dying for me rn
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wait flavor can be the strongman but limming me and flavor should win in that case
what if (if std flips town) bianco babysits an non-snivy cleared slot and I protect snivy, that at least makes it difficult on scum to coordinate their kills even if there's a strongman. worst case is a 4v1v1 with me, python (cleared), flavor, bianco, drew, and another cleared slot.
maybe it's worse to only have 1 kill and then that frames python? idk I feel like we're close
wait does strongman go through a roleblock?
pedit: yeah you're right
I looked and couldn't find a mafia strongman besides a traitor
In post 1187, Infinity 324 wrote:
maybe it's worse to only have 1 kill and then that frames python? idk I feel like we're close
If STD is scum we mechanically win with an STD flip
If STD is town then we don't have a winning POE after a solo N3 Snivy NK because the POE is:
Invisibility - conftown (Snivy)
BlueSnakelet - conftown (FN)
biancospino - Novice Babysitter
usesPython - 1-shot Bulletproof
Infinity 324 - 2-shot Doctor
Doctor Drew - Even Night Gunsmith
Flavor Leaf - Odd Night Roleblocker
and the Snivy shot can go through because FL can just RB bianco and we have no way of telling and at that point we're at MeLo with no way to tighten the POE
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If you're voting STD cause you think he's mafia that's one thing, but lazily voting STD for gunsmith results when we don't see any STD associatives and see plenty of FL associatives will probably lose us the game
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In post 1187, Infinity 324 wrote:
maybe it's worse to only have 1 kill and then that frames python? idk I feel like we're close
If STD is scum we mechanically win with an STD flip
If STD is town then we don't have a winning POE after a solo N3 Snivy NK because the POE is:
Invisibility - conftown (Snivy)
BlueSnakelet - conftown (FN)
biancospino - Novice Babysitter
usesPython - 1-shot Bulletproof
Infinity 324 - 2-shot Doctor
Doctor Drew - Even Night Gunsmith
Flavor Leaf - Odd Night Roleblocker
and the Snivy shot can go through because FL can just RB bianco and we have no way of telling and at that point we're at MeLo with no way to tighten the POE
what if I protect snivy?
idk I'm sort of ok losing to be very unlucky with the gunsmith result
we still can win at that point it's just harder
I do think fl tries to push a town lim d1 as mafia. it wouldn't have even been that hard.
No matter who does the protect it runs into the same problem of "was the protector lying or did FL rb them or do we have a Multitasking Roleblocker SK and both people did their job?"
Like we straight up do not have a viable POE if we hit town today
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Like can someone explain to us how FL would have counterwagoned a townie when the two main wagons were both Mafia and they repped in a day before the deadline, who's the viable counter counter wagon?
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Like it took until 644 for the Aureal wagon to happen and that was a pretty unexpected flashwagon that then went to a heip flashwagon because Aureal claimed IC and voted for him and everyone else sheeped her, at no point was there any real indication that there was a viable wagon outside of hem/uno from the time FL repped in until like a day before the extended deadline
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No matter who does the protect it runs into the same problem of "was the protector lying or did FL rb them or do we have a Multitasking Roleblocker SK and both people did their job?"
Like we straight up do not have a viable POE if we hit town today
there's no multitasking roleblocker sk afaict
there's always the risk of strongman but I think it's way more likely that flavor is town than the sk is one particular role
idk. like I'm sort of wondering why bianco claimed what she did as scum so maybe it's just std/flavor anyway.
or are you scum? idk i just feel like it's best to let flavor at least get a check before we lim him and it definitely benefits scum!you to not have that happen
Heip went through because it was viable. The fact that it didn't happen before doesn't make it not viable then. I'm sure Flavor could pull that off if he had put his mind to it
In post 1179, Infinity 324 wrote:
if std flips town, it's more difficult but I think we do the same strategy. if scum kill snakelet invis, python and flavor are cleared and tbh I trust snivy and drew enough to just elim outside of those 4 which should hit scum. well it would be me and bianco but yeah fmpov I don't think we get there, I really think snivy is town and drew has to be a couple specific scum roles to be scum there.
One scum will no-kill for a day to force the roleblock to not be a clear, it's not something that can be relied on when making the POE
In post 1184, Infinity 324 wrote:
mafia can't have a strongman cause the only strongman is a traitor
Multitasking Roleblocker SK and probably some other mafia roles but the site is dying for me rn
Can we please not just do a collab work on the theory of what scum should do
In post 1187, Infinity 324 wrote:
maybe it's worse to only have 1 kill and then that frames python? idk I feel like we're close
If STD is scum we mechanically win with an STD flip
If STD is town then we don't have a winning POE after a solo N3 Snivy NK because the POE is:
Invisibility - conftown (Snivy)
BlueSnakelet - conftown (FN)
biancospino - Novice Babysitter
usesPython - 1-shot Bulletproof
Infinity 324 - 2-shot Doctor
Doctor Drew - Even Night Gunsmith
Flavor Leaf - Odd Night Roleblocker
and the Snivy shot can go through because FL can just RB bianco and we have no way of telling and at that point we're at MeLo with no way to tighten the POE
How is 1:1:5 MeLo. Especially with protectives in the mix. It just isn't