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oh to be
a familiar faceIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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ooh what a fun ideaIn post 7, furtiveglance wrote: disproving the greeting the game tell
ok everyone instead of voting randomly i will now commence a sitewide study to test the hypothesis that not voting in your first post is scummy (the best operationalization of the greeting tell i can do atm)
it'll be a lot of work but i can't think of a single reason to think it's not the best possible use of my free time
please stand by for a complete outline of the methodology
VOTE: furtiveglance though bc i did another study a while ago and confirmed that expressing fun ideas in mafia games is scummyIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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woah wait i actually do think furtive is the scummiest player here so far
let's delay explanation until page 2. page 2 has always been my lucky page and in the interim i can probably at least finish data collectionIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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serious! wow i thought i was doing a good job of conveying tone thereIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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ok ok ok let's see if i can do this
I THINK this this post represents an attempt at displacing the question of whether furtive is scummy with the question of whether the greeting tell is a worthwhile tell or not.In post 7, furtiveglance wrote: Hey everyone, looking forward to this game
I'm just disproving the greeting the game tell don't mind me
The answer to the latter question is easily assumed to be "no", and in this context is easy to mistake as an answer to the question of whether furtive is scummy!
but these are distinct questions
furtive you wily rascal
hmm no that's not very good, even for page 2
i think i might really find furtive scummy because his post on page 1 is a muchbetterpost if he's scum -- it's ironic and thus more funny. objectively!
if we assume that furtive is a person with good taste (and i think we can though only time will tell), then he is correspondingly more likely to have posted it if he were scum than if he were town.
and being more likely to come from scum than from town is what it means for an action scummy!
yeah that's better. im really proud of myself
but alas even this revised justification for my vote is not very good!
would a bored member of the audience be willing to explain why?It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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yes its essence was clear to me from the moment i made post 18 (i think it's 18 im not going to look). indeed, i suspect my entire destiny may have been determined from the moment i decided it would be funny to hyperfixate on three words in an apparent throwaway shitpost.
but now i have one more justification for voting furtive! it's futile to say this, but this is not me doing a gish gallop. it's just an overactive imagination fueled by a caffeine addiction that i'm more than a little defensive about:
furtive's post #20 was mean. it wounded me on a deep emotional level that i'll probably need a few more pages of conversation to forget and recover from. if that kind of negative energy is allowed to persist through this game, it will only destroy us. we must destroy it first. but don't get more wrong, it's more important that we destroy scum of course. of course!It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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caffeine yo. hell of a drug. pls wagon furtive with me. for the absurdist joke.In post 36, biancospino wrote:
You can point at the post where he says he plans to give reasons on p2 to prove that the post on p2 with reasons is planned, yeahIn post 30, TemporalLich wrote: in fact I can point to 19 as proof that 28 is planned and not a thoughtstream, but still this is a less than worthless tone read right now
@Psyche, are you like, being this overly wordy as a joke or something? I think it is some absurdist jokeIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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fate and chance both on my sideIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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frankly i found your review of the live action one piece pretty superficial. up your game and i'll help you survive the game's first episode of post-mislim fingerpointing.In post 53, Flavor Leaf wrote: Who’d be opposed to me just coasting through the game giving me lol thoughts on players and pop culture storytelling until like Day 3 or 4It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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btw gotta say this post is weird i know "too townie" is an informal fallacy but a post that exactly shouts "i have a town mindset so you should not vote me" would probably strike as a bit too on the nose for my tastesIn post 22, TemporalLich wrote:
also this doesn't exactly shout "i have a town mindset so you should not vote me"In post 19, Psyche wrote: woah wait i actually do think furtive is the scummiest player here so far
let's delay explanation until page 2. page 2 has always been my lucky page and in the interim i can probably at least finish data collectionIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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hmm i like most of seriousish votes so far. dont know where to plant my flag for real yet. but this has been nice quick progressIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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ok let me that guy and askIn post 85, Klazam wrote:
BaaIn post 81, BBmolla wrote:
helloIn post 69, Klazam wrote: Was going to RVS BBmolla- do you remember me? I recall you back in the day lol
But
Holy fuck Psyche. That’s too much lol.
VOTE: Psyche
flavor leaf is scum
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
bye
VOTE: Flavor
why?It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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it's more useful for scumhunting to let the people doing the thing explain why they're doing the thingIn post 92, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 90, Psyche wrote:
ok let me that guy and askIn post 85, Klazam wrote:
BaaIn post 81, BBmolla wrote:
helloIn post 69, Klazam wrote: Was going to RVS BBmolla- do you remember me? I recall you back in the day lol
But
Holy fuck Psyche. That’s too much lol.
VOTE: Psyche
flavor leaf is scum
VOTE: Flavor Leaf
bye
VOTE: Flavor
why?
I am town core ing for apparent silly reasons and focusing more on non game related things. On top of that, it looks like I am pocketing heavily in my town core.
Which is fine. I think scum reading me for it is fair. I can see Bbm doing it as either alignment, and at the end of the day, it’s a juicy wagon to see what happens from itIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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it used to be you could quotereply a post and be sure the line spacing would just look rightIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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i used to play league but it made me a worse person with regrets and lost potential. but i'd play again anyway if it meant me and zzzx could be friendsIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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[town] and [scum] don't segment two separate lists. they label ends of a spectrumIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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anyway i don't know how to convince you this but all my posts up to your initial "serious" accusation and most of the posts afterward weren't serious at all. i was trying to be funny via exaggerated performativityIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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how can you be so sureIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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um yeah? being incoherent and aloof is one of the most low effort styles as scum. you don't have to (pretend to scum) scumhunt, defend positions, or worry about your consistency across posts. since it can be easily as hard to distinguish lazy town from scum as to distinguish high-effort town and from scum, you barely lose anything from this strategy beyond a risk that town defaults to limming you when they can't settle on someone more positively scummy.In post 135, TemporalLich wrote: do you believe scum is that scummy and would self-voteIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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this is a non sequitorIn post 139, Shrek wrote: no lich actually has a decent point there, i can’t possibly see flavor leaf giving up after a d1 wagon emerges. that’s a really weird argument to make on your part iavh
the claim by lich is specifically that self voting makes him moretownand this doesn't even address the relative likelihood of FL doing that as one faction or as anotherIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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can you explain what makes shrek's post towny here?In post 149, TemporalLich wrote:
gonna quote this as I agree with this post and it is a towny postIn post 139, Shrek wrote: no lich actually has a decent point there, i can’t possibly see flavor leaf giving up after a d1 wagon emerges. that’s a really weird argument to make on your part iavhIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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What you're missing IMO is that prospect that people like you will think things like this is why scum often play this way. They can coast along and do really little and people will think there's no way they could be so daring. If a supposed towntell is really easy to perform without little effort, then it's not a very good towntell. It relies on players not being aware of the tell in the first place.In post 160, TemporalLich wrote: I'm only saying flavor leaf is town because that gambit is too scummy to be scumIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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i did not call incoherence scummy. it's null. it's supereasyto be incoherent and not post substantive content. i can hardly thing of anything easier besides lurking.It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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ugh hopelessIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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ok one last try. answer me this: what is it about having a scum role pm that makes it impossible or harder to thoughtstream about topics with negligible relevance to the game?It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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i feel obliged to ask one more question. what is the gambit? the self vote or something else?It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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anyway i townread lichIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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its just that ive coasted through soo many games as scum playing the same game flavor leaf is playing. town rarely punishes it (town coast a lot too) so it's often the optimal strategy once time constraints for game participation are taken into account. not trying at mafia is easy and funIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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In post 196, Shrek wrote:
i was agreeing with lich and responding to the post above that lolIn post 161, Psyche wrote:
ok can you elaborate some on what you agree w lich about and whyIn post 139, Shrek wrote: no lich actually has a decent point there, i can’t possibly see flavor leaf giving up after a d1 wagon emerges. that’s a really weird argument to make on your part iavh
this is a non sequitor
the claim by lich is specifically that self voting makes him moretownand this doesn't even address the relative likelihood of FL doing that as one faction or as anotherIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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ok can you elaborate some on what you agree w lich about and whyIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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i mean i mostly agree but FL is a useful device for transitioning out of RVSIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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oh that was a reply to merylynIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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wow a relational tell this early very impressiveIn post 225, Shrek wrote: i think there’s a not-insignificant chance that psyche and klazam are teamed up together from klazam’s vote on him segueing into a vote on FL with zero reasoning. in this scenario if psyche IS outed klazam can point to plausible deniability with the snap vote on him
alone i very slightly scumread psyche, nothing too significant, but klazam’s behavior wrt the wagon makes a pairing likelyIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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i ask the questions around here. where were you on on the night of the 9th of september? in your scum pt?It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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hey did you really think TL was scum/scummy at this post?In post 303, JacksonVirgo wrote: Because your logic this entire game has been lacklustre at best, and when I ask for more. You avoid or give the smallest amount of clarification, as if you don't got anything so you just pull whatever you can think of in the moment.It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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can someone explain why this post was madeIn post 392, Random Nurse wrote:Alright, so I'm at work again and will post as able soon.
Also, I'm 2-Shot Bulletproof (don't b*tch to me).
Awaiting to see how Scum respond to the news.It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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i'm inclined not to believe you. but the later posts in your iso do look good. oh well.In post 467, JacksonVirgo wrote:
I didIn post 465, Psyche wrote:
hey did you really think TL was scum/scummy at this post?In post 303, JacksonVirgo wrote: Because your logic this entire game has been lacklustre at best, and when I ask for more. You avoid or give the smallest amount of clarification, as if you don't got anything so you just pull whatever you can think of in the moment.
anyway i think TL can come off as contrived because he's more or less following a system, a rigid and not-very-solid framework for sorting scum, being town. am inclined to think he'd be someone more diffident by this point if it were an act.It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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wow i wonder why i feel so inclined to say im inclined latelyIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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i don't really want to move my vote on davesaz but i don't know how to advance the position further either. it's probably the point where i need to try to decide what i think about everybody. how sad that this moment has arrived so quicklyIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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wow you sure know a lot about tellsIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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The justification for the TL vote struck me as disingenuous. A potential explanation was that you were insincere but wanted to apply pressure to aid sorting. However, your reply to my question ruled out this explanation. This does correspondingly mean I find the post even more scummy than if had replied a different way. Nonetheless, you have made other posts since then that strike me the other way. So I'm not ready to stake out a position on you yet.It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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you claimed a role? why?In post 478, Random Nurse wrote:In post 466, Psyche wrote:
can someone explain why this post was madeIn post 392, Random Nurse wrote:Alright, so I'm at work again and will post as able soon.
Also, I'm 2-Shot Bulletproof (don't b*tch to me).
Awaiting to see how Scum respond to the news.
What's so difficult about it?It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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i am too lazy to keep trading these one liners with you im sorryIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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humm i figured i'd be asked to enumerate the more townie posts but this reaction is a bit more high-powered than i imagined. i say you did a suspicious thing that doesn't really even make me scumlean you, but it's as if i insulted your mother.It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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I don't think the fact that these two aren't mutually exclusive really changes the calculus all that much. but i guess the more precise question would have been "when you made this post, did you really believe these were good reasons to scumread TL?" But it's hard to imagine a world where you reply yes to my original simpler question but would reply no to this one or vice versa.In post 485, JacksonVirgo wrote:
You should have asked a better question. I did think they were scum, and I also wanted to apply pressure to sort them further. The two are not mutually exclusiveIn post 480, Psyche wrote: The justification for the TL vote struck me as disingenuous. A potential explanation was that you were insincere but wanted to apply pressure to aid sorting. However, your reply to my question ruled out this explanation. This does correspondingly mean I find the post even more scummy than if had replied a different way. Nonetheless, you have made other posts since then that strike me the other way. So I'm not ready to stake out a position on you yet.It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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No, I don't think you understand the point of the question. Interesting try though.In post 495, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Since you were asking that to see if my logic was to solve them. You should ask a question that asks if I was still trying to solve them. Not if I thought they were scummy, that does not even start to get the answers you were looking for.In post 494, Psyche wrote:
I don't think the fact that these two aren't mutually exclusive really changes the calculus all that much. but i guess the more precise question would have been "when you made this post, did you really believe these were good reasons to scumread TL?" But it's hard to imagine a world where you reply yes to my original simpler question but would reply no to this one or vice versa.In post 485, JacksonVirgo wrote:
You should have asked a better question. I did think they were scum, and I also wanted to apply pressure to sort them further. The two are not mutually exclusiveIn post 480, Psyche wrote: The justification for the TL vote struck me as disingenuous. A potential explanation was that you were insincere but wanted to apply pressure to aid sorting. However, your reply to my question ruled out this explanation. This does correspondingly mean I find the post even more scummy than if had replied a different way. Nonetheless, you have made other posts since then that strike me the other way. So I'm not ready to stake out a position on you yet.It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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agh there's a lot i want to reply to in jackson's multipost but now there are a lot of other posts i need to hurry alongIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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So, like, for read purposes, I don't particularly care at all how strong or weak your scumlean on TL was.In post 486, JacksonVirgo wrote: I also believe this argument of yours to be disingenuous and malicious. You give me a low bar "did you think they were scummy", which clearly I did as I directly called them a wolf at that point. I answer your question, and then you decide to callmedisingenuous? Even if I had a weak scum-lean on them, I'd say yes to you and you'd pull this on me. That feels like you laid out a trap on me rather than actually genuinely wanting more information on my thought process
What I care about is whether you [are willing to say] you thought you believed what you were saying when you typed 303.
As you say, it was indeed very likely that you'd reply yes to my question given your posts here, but it wasn't guaranteed.
It's not uncommon at all at this state of the game for people to contrive justifications for votes as a pressure/reaction-collecting tactic.
Interpreting your 303 is easier when that possibility is ruled out.
But the only way to rule out that possibility was to have you do it for me without telegraphing too obviously that this was what I was trying to do.
So I went for a seemingly throwaway question with a low barrier to entry.
Even though the Q doesn't directly probe the information I was seeking, it created a context where you'd probably volunteer that you were merely reaction testing TL if that's what you were really doing in 303, especially since you weren't voting TL at the time.
I guess I can now imagine an even better way I could've done it, but otoh I got what I wanted. And also this exchange.
419 is the big one. I had a more positive feeling about your shift from and subsequent ambivalence around TL in posts like 415 than I do now but they altogether build confidence that you're someone who's top goal right now is to get correct opinions about who is scum. It's just that 303 doesn't give the same vibe, particularly when reaction testing is ruled out.In post 489, JacksonVirgo wrote: Actually, I wanna prod this a little bit more.
What posts of mine strike you the other way?It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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character..?In post 529, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Actually no, it's a common trope with Psyche just attacking peoples character than any argumentsIn post 475, Psyche wrote: wow you sure know a lot about tellsIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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Things like me saying your reaction to a post was unexpectedly hot or pointing out another player's fixation on "tells" are intended as observations rather than personal attacks. I think this stuff has some potential of informing reads down the line -- even if just in those moments where we have to decide if someone typed something a certain way because they have a scum win condition or just because of the kind of person they are.It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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if i think something's scummy i'll say it's scummy. i'll probably be really proud about noticing the scummy thing tooIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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i still don't understand the posts where people were claiming roles and why they happenedIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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if it weren't for the protestant work ethic and the grip it holds on my soul i imagine i'd be voting FL right nowIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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Couldn't find anything especially useful in these last ten pages. How sad.It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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so im going to try not to post during work hours from here out
i'd still be fine limming furtive by default but my page 2 case against the slot is certainly not pulitzer level
i don't want to commit too hard to producing a reads list because commitments like these have made me flakey in the past but yeah it'd be useful for me to work on oneIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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is this intended to imply another relational tell thingIn post 829, Naerys wrote:
Funny thing is, that furtive except agreeing with you at early pages does not seem to interact with you.In post 828, Psyche wrote: so im going to try not to post during work hours from here out
i'd still be fine limming furtive by default but my page 2 case against the slot is certainly not pulitzer level
i don't want to commit too hard to producing a reads list because commitments like these have made me flakey in the past but yeah it'd be useful for me to work on oneIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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i don't have it in me to give up on him but i don't have a hook to keep pushing him with either. it's a very tragic situationIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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stahpIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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hey uh why is clarifying this importantIn post 1006, Flavor Leaf wrote: I think you need to reanalyze it all, ZZZx, and realize why I think you were defending them with the Null/NAI post.
You do not have to town read push someone to be possibly defending them.
You were actively discrediting my push by pushing a NAI/Null read to nullify my reasonings for why I would have them as possible scum.
That IS defending them.
And if you can't see that, it is on you at this point.It is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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i cant believe they posted thisIn post 1072, TemporalLich wrote: also tone reads are less than worthless
if you scumread someone based on tone, they are likely townIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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aren't like half of TL's reads tone readsIt is not possible to step twice into the same river.-
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