Open 881 | Friends and Enemies | Postgame

[Doctor Drew]

sheep

Ok

VOTE: sheep

[Doctor Drew]

sheep

Ok

VOTE: sheep

This makes me feel bad.

VOTE: Mala

[Doctor Drew]

sheep

Ok

VOTE: sheep

This makes me feel bad.

VOTE: Mala

Bitch pls

Get on my level

Well obviously I can't do that.

VOTE: Dunn

[Doctor Drew]

sheep

Ok

VOTE: sheep

This makes me feel bad.

VOTE: Mala

Bitch pls

Get on my level

Well obviously I can't do that.

VOTE: Dunn

do you think

someone voting him is his intention?

Wut?

[Doctor Drew]

like do you think dunnstral’s intention there was to encourage someone to vote for him?

like dunnstral had already made an rvs post re: the rules and bell obviously hasn’t posted and so forth

I have no idea what Dunn has done this game, I was just keeping a chain of rvs votes going.

[Doctor Drew]

sheep

Ok

VOTE: sheep

This makes me feel bad.

VOTE: Mala

Bitch pls

Get on my level

Well obviously I can't do that.

VOTE: Dunn

If yoy can’t play with the vig girls
Then get off the field

Jk

I always enjoyed a drunk Mala lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I have em been drinking since I woke up
Which is 1p

adude I’m always working
Always

abut in at a concert
JQSON ALDRAN BABBYYY


THOMAS RHETT GRABBED MY HAND AND SANG TO KE
INGOT IT ON VIDEO

Hope you aren't trying it in a small town.....might catch a folded chair lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Meow
VOTE: meowmeow

Can't argue this logic.

VOTE: meow

[Doctor Drew]

Oh look bells is town
Sick
Let’s block babyyy

IM LOOKING FOR ANNOHTER TOWN
WAVE UR HAND HIGH UN THE AKR

I am 3p, but would love to be in your block.

[Doctor Drew]

Do you think anything of how I rolled with it?

not really no; it's not like you're actually extolling their virtues or anything

like if you were like yes this is the one malakittens and sheepsaysmeep are definitely town then it's pretty .?.

but it's nice to be townread and pretty easy to say 'sure let's do it' as either alignment

idk spent altogether way too long thinking about possible implications beyond that but yeah

Are you Demona?

[Doctor Drew]

Are you Demona?

yes!

Ah ok, thought you mentioned that game this was one of your alts, and I definitely recognized your posting style lol.

[Doctor Drew]

i was hoping that doctor drew was gonna like, have some sorta follow up to the convo that started here but he didn't which i find kind of off

should i be partner hunting at page 5? no. someone yell at me.

What convo?

[Doctor Drew]

i was hoping that doctor drew was gonna like, have some sorta follow up to the convo that started here but he didn't which i find kind of off

should i be partner hunting at page 5? no. someone yell at me.

What convo?

36 38, optionally also me calling those posts out

I didn't think there was much to comment on.

Especially now who know their alt is, not surprised they made posts like that.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

This + the not having read my posts earlier rub me the wrong way

Maybe you missed when I said it was RVS.

I mean it was either vote you or Bulge, the only people I remember playing with.

[Doctor Drew]

BELL I miss u buddy <3
And u too i guess drew

Actually didn't realize how many of you I have actually played with lol.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

This + the not having read my posts earlier rub me the wrong way

Maybe you missed when I said it was RVS.

I mean it was either vote you or Bulge, the only people I remember playing with.

I'm not a fan of you not having read to decide who to vote

Are you a fan of rvs?

[Doctor Drew]

why is drew town @bulge

Ya spill it Bulge.

Opposite question to you though Dats.

[Doctor Drew]

I think Katya is town, and starting to think meow isn't acting in good faith with their interactions.

I also don't hate Dunn's vote on me, but I don't like Dats reasoning to vote me, feels disingenuous.

And very Drew of me to say, but the brief interaction of std and Dats(std wanting to wagon Dats and Dats saying std is better than that), seems partnery.

Let's wagon them though std, choo Drew choo.

VOTE: datisi

Pre Edit: You didn't know this was an alt only game Dats?

[Doctor Drew]

And very Drew of me to say, but the brief interaction of std and Dats(std wanting to wagon Dats and Dats saying std is better than that), seems partnery.

i am not entirely sure why but this vibes to me as a towny thought to have? i mean i'm not sure i want to be cracking into the preflip associatives on page 8 but i think i get where it's coming from and it seems like a somewhat strange post for scum to make, or at least counterintuitive to accuse someone who's pushing in the same direction as you

i am not acting in bad faith though >:(

I feel like someone who has experience with Katya wouldn't be as combative(maybe too strong of a word, maybe being more agreeable is more accurate) this early. Like using their posting style to make them look bad.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't understand how Dats is arriving out his reads so far.

I did want to break up this back and forth a bit though, tvt ,svs, tvs.....either way, the longer a back and forth goes the more it becomes anti town.

[Doctor Drew]

inconsistency is not a scumtell etc etc

bulge is town

The only way I can interpret this is that you’re giving them a town read to leave you alone.

Also this.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: superbowl

I prefer pasta

Real vote?

I knew you were scum only a liar would rebuke pizza

pasta is much tastier and easy to make

Lies, good pasta is way harder to make than good pizza.

who do you think is our best bet for flipping a mafia today katya?

Same to you.

I heard he won an award for being the best scum player

Are you worried about him being scum here?

[Doctor Drew]

yes

no because to make good pizza you need to have a certain kind of oven whereas with pasta you can make great pasta with just a pot and some dishes.

probably Bell

not yet

Get one of those mini pizza ovens you use outside on the grill, so easy to make some great wood fired pizza. And takes likes 5 minutes to cook that sum bitch.

Also, you seem to have a vibe read on Dats yet ignoring what they actually have done so far.

I don't love Superbowls vote on you here though.

[Doctor Drew]

part of it was wanting to create an actual wagon to hopefully get the things going

whatever dunn said sounded like it could be slightly above rand likely to be correct

yeah uh not reading plus not having any comment on me/katya is not a good first impression idk

Creating something that wasn't there, making a mountain out of a mole hill, insert another cliche here about making something out of nothing hoping a wagon sticks.

inconsistency is not a scumtell etc etc

bulge is town

'I am sick of arguing with you, if I call you town will you leave me alone?'

[Doctor Drew]

I'm too tired to read the bulge/datisi conversation again but I don't think your point about 157 is that convincing because early game votes are pretty much meaningless

I am not trying to convince you Dats is scum, just want you to elaborate on why you think they aren't.

Also, good night.

[Doctor Drew]

I did want to break up this back and forth a bit though, tvt ,svs, tvs.....either way, the longer a back and forth goes the more it becomes anti town.

actually yeah it was literally you who said that the loner the back and forth goes on the more anti town it is

I was gonna come here to say I was the one who mentioned it lol. But that was more for everyone else's sanity, and isn't AI.

My issue was how did you come to your reads, specifically on the bulge and me.

But I am afraid my vote on you is turning into a vanity vote, and I am turning into a bit of a tunnelly asshole, so for now I will leave it be and let God sort it out.

[Doctor Drew]

@STD,What changed?

Not feeling it anymore

Looked at superbowls iso

Didn't love it

What about it?

[Doctor Drew]

@STD,What changed?

Not feeling it anymore

Looked at superbowls iso

Didn't love it

What about it?

Just feels off

I feel like there vote on Ari is kinda shit.

But the bulk of the rest is kind of trolling.....

Unless you hate Digiorno as well.

[Doctor Drew]

I can't describe it but it feels a little stilted like "I'm just gonna troll because I'm scum and I don't know what else to say"

I could kinda understand this.

[Doctor Drew]

paging doctor drew

Oh sorry I was performing a very intricate and time consuming surgery, unfortunately the patient passed.....

Anywho......on to more important things.

Mafia

[Doctor Drew]

Suddenly Bulge is my strongest scum read and we should absolutely kill him.

wait why?

I also ask why.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: BellI wanna shake things up, feeling a bit saucy here, let's get a fight going.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: BellI wanna shake things up, feeling a bit saucy here, let's get a fight going.

who’s the next option on the list?

Probably Dunn, feel like if we fight we can sort each other fairly well......at least after our last fight lol.

Fighting you will just make me rage quit.

[Doctor Drew]

i don’t want to vote dunnstral either

Who said anything about a vote? When I am a bit lost, I want to fight.....nothing like a good scrap to sort things out.

I’d post a gif and omgus. But I don’t wanna prove Dunn right. Instead, I shall politely ask you to get your paws off me you absolute monster.

*cracks neck*

Bring it on punk, you thought that 6 year old was bad? Wait till you get a hold of me?*


*I promise no punches though lol

[Doctor Drew]

I lean slightly town on Katya, bulge he went down a little but still town, with decent vibes and asides. Albeit I’ve been stabbed by him, twice. Maybe just once.
Mala feels alright, as does Super Bowl, but I’m not against more pressure on either of them.
Dunn is being Dunn.

Meow said they came back from New Orleans or something but also got prodded but also said the power or their laptop wasn’t working which is some kind of mystery. I’m not sure if it’s a gimmick for each reentry or if they’re actually just scum lying about their absences but it’s so silly that I can’t actually take myself seriously when I think it.

Sheep is obviously scum.
STD is my favorite this game. but also, they are extremely scummy and furthermore

Shadi’s weird. I don’t have a box to put them in, I agree with whoever said they seem to be people pleasey, but also I can see it just being them.

The only thing I have on Datisi is the Bulge town read weirdness. The rest seems fine to me.

I’m not really happy with my reads so far this game, but that’s cool. I usually just get a few town reads I’m comfortable with (I only have one). But like that’s why I’m being how I’m being.

You seem to be unhappy with your reads so far, yet you seem to be fine sharing reads.

In theory not a bad thing, but I sense some 'posting content to not seem sketch' from you.

[Doctor Drew]

mm, conflict generally feels counterproductive

I think you are taking me saying I want to fight too literally, nothing toxic.

Pre Edit: I haven't said I want to wagon Dunn.....or you, Bell

Pre Edit2: Ok here we go lol......I am not familiar with you Bell( I think? Maybe we have a game together?)......but do you try hard as scum?

[Doctor Drew]

who do you want to wagon?

Why are you so concerned on who I may or may not want to wagon?

I will get there.

[Doctor Drew]

because i am trying to get there lol

Are you trying to sheep me?

[Doctor Drew]

because i am trying to get there lol

Are you trying to sheep me?

maybe! depends

I don't feel you even trust my intentions lol

[Doctor Drew]

Oh no, my scum game sucks. But I try to appear more competent and useful when I’m scum.

The bulge thing was a half joke. Their town reads hit a critical mass, so I said the opposite to reduce the possibility of an nk, but I’m not invested in it enough to keep the joke going. Which is also something I do. The other half of the joke is that scum are town reading him too so they must be happy with him. Because he’s scum which eh sometimes scum try to get to read too much and overshoot. But it’s not a thing.

Why are you so sure scum are town reading him? Or am I misreading this.

[Doctor Drew]

because i am trying to get there lol

Are you trying to sheep me?

maybe! depends

I don't feel you even trust my intentions lol

it seems you trust mine, however

Why do you assume that?

[Doctor Drew]

because i am trying to get there lol

Are you trying to sheep me?

maybe! depends

I don't feel you even trust my intentions lol

it seems you trust mine, however

Why do you assume that?

if i don't trust your intentions i would have to be town, no?

see kinda built-in to the statement

which isn't to say that you are informed or whatever people phrase things this way all of the time

I get what you are saying, you sonuva bitch......might have to to actually feel good about you and call you town lol.

Only if you do actually sheep me though.

[Doctor Drew]

Well obviously because I’m town reading them.

I don’t think Bulge has gotten a single scum read. They’re either quiet or joined in.
I suppose it doesn’t have to mean they’re content about it, but they’re not challenging it either.

I will say that Bulge is someone that always seems so towny to me, so maybe I like where you are going here.

[Doctor Drew]

Anyway if you have to explain the joke etc etc.

Well this is a game of srz bizness.

No jokes allowed

[Doctor Drew]

Oh yeah, I got burned a time or two.
I don’t think they’ve been trying especially hard to be townie this game though. But now I’m paranoid on second thought.

Thanks for that.

Glad I could help!

[Doctor Drew]

Bell calling me and std scummy is funny lol and I would like if he can talk about that more

That feels like something you think is factually true as scum but is weird to actually believe

That the people doing jackshit are thus more likely scum

I needed some context.

But ya, focusing on 'lurkers = scummy' is bad news bears.

[Doctor Drew]

Im fighting you too Drew jtlyk

Come at me bro

[Doctor Drew]

Im fighting you too Drew jtlyk

But why so quick to go off Dats, then Ari, then me?

[Doctor Drew]

The amount of credulousness Drew gave Meep raised my eyebrows. But not enough to get off my ass. I feel like he just gave a non-answer agreement, or what do you call it. It's hen you find something to agree with someone on that isn't really what they were talking about. In this case, he agreed that lurkers = scum is bad, intentionally agreeing with something Meep wasn't saying. Meep was saying he thought that it was weird that I seemed to genuinely believe that lurkers should die because they are likely to be scum. Essentially they thought something was off (they found the sarcasm) but couldn't put together what (the sarcasm), exactly the mystery belied. It was kind of funny. But Drew didn't do anything with it other than avoid disagreeing with them.

Bell calling me and std scummy is funny lol and I would like if he can talk about that more

That feels like something you think is factually true as scum but is weird to actually believe

That the people doing jackshit are thus more likely scum

I needed some context.

But ya, focusing on 'lurkers = scummy' is bad news bears.

I don't understand what you are getting at, Bell.

[Doctor Drew]

You didn't engage with Meeps open question of whether Bell believed what he was saying or doing, but instead provided the platitude that reduction-ism is bad and left it there. I've already made posts that provide clarity about what I'm actually doing, i.e., pressuring people with threats, thin veneers of ones at that, which resulted in confusion for those less inclined toward reading. adding "totally" to "I think they're scum" is intended to be self depreciating. It' silly on it's face because, obviously, I don't know who the scum are.

I don't......what?

I was commenting on what appeared to me sheep disagreeing with you saying lurkers=bad, apparently there was something else because I literally have zero clue what you just said here.

Pre Edit: I still don't understand what you are trying to say, pretend I am 5 and had like 13 beers and try again.

[Doctor Drew]

1. Meep says it's weird that I unironically seem to think that lurkers are more likely to be scum than not.
2. My confidence in the read was fake, intended to pressure them. I've made a few posts pointing out that I pressure players I can't read because I'm trying to find the scum and so on.
3. You respond to Meep and instead of focusing on what Meep is thinking "it's weird that he seems to think this" you agree that people thinking that lurkers are scummy is bad and end it at that.
4. This demonstrates you didn't read my earlier posts or did read my earlier posts but couldn't put it together or decided not to investigate what they were saying in a meaningful way and just gave a bog-standard response. Or decided that while you did read my posts and understood what I was doing it didn't serve your interest to correct them. Or investigate their reasoning further.

pedit: is anyone else getting repeatedly logged out every 3 minutes or so?

Ok, that clears it up.

But ya, all I was doing was commenting on the lurkers=bad part. I am not going to comment on every tiny detail of every single post, that isn't my style. So maybe I missed your greater point, but tbh your posts have lots of 'filler verbiage' that make my eyes gloss over, so I probably did focus more on what sheep said vs what you said.

And the site is acting kinda slow for me, but no log outs.

Pre Edit: I play Mafia, I didn't sign up to read war and peace written by someone who loves to show off by flexing their lexicon.

[Doctor Drew]

I’m not flexing my lexicon tho, I’m using different words to say the same thing cause you asked.

I think the bigger issue actually is that you cared so much about what I didn't comment on(or didn't read) vs what I did read and comment on.

[Doctor Drew]

That’s a typical response but doesn’t really mean much without specifics. Our attention and what we think is important differs from each individual. With some overlap, honestly probably too much overlap on basic agreed upon alignment indicators.

Ok you are making posts via chatgpt, gotcha. Done here for now.

[Doctor Drew]

I mean, I too can make a dismissive comment. But I didn’t mean to insult your intelligence if that’s what you’re actually being prickly about. I assume not or else you’d have said it.

Probably.

Oh you can insult lol, I am super over tired so my brain function isn't exactly top notch right now.

But, I am 'prickly' because you are doing the very thing you claim not to be doing, and it makes it more difficult to ascertain the point you are trying to make. In a game where you are trying to figure out who is being transparent and straight forward, you are being neither......and almost seem like you are doing it on purpose.

[Doctor Drew]

Especially since looking at your iso, you seem to only be really utilizing the thesaurus much more in our interaction.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Superbowl

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Superbowl

sell me

Just read their last post, they can't even describe why they town read Ari.....very phony.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Superbowl

sell me

Just read their last post, they can't even describe why they town read Ari.....very phony.

i kinda maybe agree with it but want them to give examples

They can't, that's my point

[Doctor Drew]

i think you're pretty likely to be town for same reasons meowmeow and datisi seem somewhat likely to be scums

also nevermind this

Who were you referring to here?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Superbowl

Knew you would expose yourself

I 'feel' you are scum.

I don't need to panic and bring up posts when called out on it.

[Doctor Drew]

So I can't explain my read and when I do I'm panicking

An OMGUS at the first sign of pressure with 1 day till deadline? Your town game is better than this

One, literally had no idea you were voting me.

Two, you kept saying you couldn't really describe the town read on ari.......then all of sudden you could.

So ya, phony.

[Doctor Drew]

My basic case for Sheep is that they're unreadable and intentionally being so. The only reason that they have such a narrow view of the game is because they're choosing to minimize what they share.

reposting this so it doesn't get lost. Back to lurkin'

They did say they were moving into college and wouldn't be as active.

[Doctor Drew]

So I can't explain my read and when I do I'm panicking

An OMGUS at the first sign of pressure with 1 day till deadline? Your town game is better than this

One, literally had no idea you were voting me.

Two, you kept saying you couldn't really describe the town read on ari.......then all of sudden you could.

So ya, phony.

Take a look at 659, 660, and 661 and tell me again you had "no idea" I was voting you please.

I saw that you were fighting me, didn't notice the vote.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Dr. Drew

Im fighting you too Drew jtlyk

Come at me bro

Im fighting you too Drew jtlyk

But why so quick to go off Dats, then Ari, then me?

So I can't explain my read and when I do I'm panicking

An OMGUS at the first sign of pressure with 1 day till deadline? Your town game is better than this

So I can't explain my read and when I do I'm panicking

An OMGUS at the first sign of pressure with 1 day till deadline? Your town game is better than this

One, literally had no idea you were voting me.

Two, you kept saying you couldn't really describe the town read on ari.......then all of sudden you could.

So ya, phony.

There aren’t many ways to interpret “off” as anything other than to to jump off of and jump onto someone else. Or in this case, switch votes.

Simply forgot I acknowledged their vote on me, nice catch I guess though.

Doesn't change a thing about Superbowl though.

[Doctor Drew]

would rather doctor drew sheeped me than i him unless he has strong reason not to right now

Who are you voting?

And only sheep me if you think I am on the right track.

[Doctor Drew]

Can we kill drew

You had your chance in Boonz Ahoy when I was actually scum.

[Doctor Drew]

would rather doctor drew sheeped me than i him unless he has strong reason not to right now

Who are you voting?

And only sheep me if you think I am on the right track.

meowmeow

Ehh, would prefer to stay on Superbowl

[Doctor Drew]

Dbz, mininormal 2234 and AI upick part 2. In reverse order.
Scum, town, scum (but it's multiball so it's not really the same thing).

ok and you didn't notice he posts way more in his town games than his scum games ?

and like in the town game he is much more aggressive in going after people whereas in the scum games he's kind of passive and making idle chit chat

Who is this referring to?

[Doctor Drew]

LETS GOOOO I fooled her yall!

Oops wrong thread

Lol, despite you being scum.....I do remember I like you superbowl.

Keep being you.

[Doctor Drew]

Spoiler:

ok so reads wise, here are my takes on the players in this game

Datisi

ok first of all datisi always rolls scum. this is important if you believe in the gambler's fallacy, or its superior equivalent, anti gambler's fallacy, which holds that if someone keeps rolling scum they keep rolling scum. despite my making fun of him - which i hold to be fully justified in every way - he is actually a very good scum player and that needs to be kept in mind

146 feels +town to me. not sure exactly how to verbalise it, but it comes off as like, weirdly sheepy and lacking conviction, which i think is fairly +town because this stuff can just happen as a result of the game being hard as town; whereas scum datisi i think is good at creating options and it's more difficult to see how his thought process gets to the point where he thinks this is a good post to make.

182 is a bit ??? to me because it's like, why would you think i'm not ausuka? i told you i was making an alt in your discord DMs like a couple weeks before the game started and i don't think my posts are that different. i get being like 'oh i didn't think of that' but sheer shock is a bit strange. however unless someone told him beforehand i was ausuka it's probably not ai at all and idk how likely that is

does datisi try and pocket me and then call me stupid? maybe? i think he would know i wouldn't like that and i'm something of an emotional player so maybe it's slightly +town

as scum once, i pushed datisi because he townread someone pushing on him. i accused him of trying to defuse the situation. he was town in that game. i guess that is to say, i don#t really get what's so unnatural about the bulge read or why town datisi wouldn't make it

overall i lean town on datisi so far, i think

Aristeia

she flirts with datisi a lot. that's not ai it just makes me smile

i originally didn't like 206 because speculation about scumteams or whatever that doesn't involve a serious push on one of the people involved has always felt empty to me and makes me go but also i can kind of see why she would find that datisi post a bit over-the-top so shrug

the read on bell in 389 is interesting. my instinct is to like it, and i can kind of see where she's coming from if town, even if i'm not sure i 100% get it - maybe partially because i lack context? but it's true that bell lacks bite in this game.

yekaterina

so, i don't think katya is town particularly, which i get is an unusual opinion to have. she was scum in the recently completed micro 1087 and just absolutely swept the game so i don't really think i should buy into the narrative that like, she's obvtown because she posts a lot of stuff that looks vaguely thoughtful. obviously if ppl have more specific reasons to townread her i'm happy to hear it; i don't think we should write off any reason to townread a capable scum player but i think a lot of the more common surface level reasons aren't that valid

obviously, i didn't like 167 - i mean i'm biased because like, it's me, and it did explain the post was trying not to give anything away but... meh, i'm just not a fan of the whole exchange

didn't really like 178 like 'you should expect i'll be obvious town' feels a bit like scum trying to be too cheeky to be scum. idk if that makes sense

i don't know if i need to go through the whole honeypot thing again. i'm not sure if anyone except me actually read that. but like, i basically just don't like how light of a wave katya makes towards shadi, not really doing anything there, and calling it a honeypot because after she did that, people wouldn't 'need' to talk to shadi and therefore anyone who does is probably scum? i think it's possible that there's some playstyle difference there because it is incredibly foreign to how i play mafia. but the thing that really got me is the idea that anyone pushing shadi is necessarily like, influenced by her push and being opportunistic, even though it wasn't really a push and was a light and noncommittal idea about how she doesn't really know who scum is. and it comes without really engaging with the reasons why they were doing that. i do still think there is some partner equity there but that's not important for now. of course, there's the whole deal where she doesn't like votes/wagons and that's obviously genuine but it is obviously also aware that a lot of people do not share this view. so like to review, she is asked who scum is, and instead of answering normally sets up a 'honeypot' except the honey attracts people that disagree with it about how wagons work, which she apparently doesn't want to discuss. not to mention she goes to great lengths to emphasise how much she does not really believe in this read which just seems... incredibly counterproductive to the entire purpose. and obviously if she's scum it's a rather intricate thing, but i really do not see the town thought process here, and i think it's a +scum thing to do.

and yeah idk that is basically my whole read on katya. even in her more recent posts, i still don't really understand it or where it's coming from at all in terms of what she's pushing people for and if she's town, what she's going for, who she might like to eliminate. i don't see the thought process behind any of it. but i think part of that *could* be that i play very differently. i mean, i townread it once before, but maybe that game i wasn't as cautious of being snowed; i should probably go back and check. i lean scum on katya right now

the bulge

the bulge. i vibed him as town early, just based on how he was sharing reads and stuff in what i perceived to be a relaxed way. i liked 223 a bit. and like, the superbowl wagon comments are just... could they be from scum? yeah. but i tend to like proactive stuff like this that shows care for the gamestate, understanding things and parsing them so you can read people, sue me.

281 and 283 i have more mixed feelings about. my instinct is to say that unreasonable isn't scummy and that i don't like the approach but after reading the conversation for a while i get what he's saying better? like, the 'reasonable' word stuck in my brain but i think it might just be a red herring because bulge is saying that he doesn't believe datisi's emotional reaction to the question is genuine because he doesn't seem to actually care about the question itself. which seems like a fairly towny line of thinking actually; it's engaging with the thread on something of a deeper level and i think it's something he's put thought into. if he's scum it's very good scumplay.

uh, his more recent posts are more content-free. i can kind of see the desire behind pushing superbowl/presumably the datisi vote is a continuation of earlier so whatever.

Bell

bell has a lot of posts which i don't take a lot out of. 292 is probably the first interesting post in the entire bell iso. i didn't think datisi's read was bad personally - and as i said, i've pushed him for that as scum before, so i don't want to townread this in itself, but at least it's like making observations and doing something?

i don't hate his counter push on ari? most of his poking and pushing seems to lack edge, in the sense he's not really trying to wagon people or push people at any point. in that sense, i agree with aristeia. i am totally unfamiliar with bell, but i don't really get the sense he's forcing himself to be here tho; he's just around, vibing, but not with a strong sense of purpose? and again, idk him or the meta here, but it feels unfair to pick on him for that when a lot of people feel the same or worse.

i think bell acting like my laptop breaking is some sort of mystery or whatever is weird but probably not ai. same w/ blockgate

overall? shrug, i don't really want to kill him today but i don't particularly think he's town either.

Doctor Drew

drew has kind of dropped off, unfortunately. i thought he was towny early on. as i say in 196 i think 186 is a likely townpost because it's counter-intuitive for scum drew to say that about std, unless he's actually scum with std i guess. i also see how someone would sus the datisi vote on drew, so that part is fine. and the scumread on me is fine, or even good; i get where it's coming from and how it would come to a towny thought process even if i don't agree.

however since then he has just been completely low energy? like he pushes datisi for a while, which is meh but whatever, and then he says the push is becoming less productive - yeah sure that makes sense - but he doesn't really follow through on it and totally deflates.

i think this balances out to a townlean; he's been towny enough that i have no interest in pushing him right now but that's not an iron strong read

Dunnstral

i guess it's not that hard to fake but i did like his early drew push? felt believable. i'm biased but i liked 308 because

he was agreeing with me

idk he was pushing me earlier and then called the shadi wagon good and agreed with my comment on ari which feels a bit like towny fluidity. i think the malakittens vote is good. overall, i'm not certain of it but i think dunnstral is town this game

Malakittens

a little background context; i am aware of the malakittens meta. she did some stuff in datisi's cafe and i thought she was probably town because of the meta. she was not town. therefore, i don't really care about the meta.

anyway, her posts are very social, which isn't inherently bad but she does seem to care about that even at the expense of scumhunting. i don't like 373; i'm not entirely sure what she's trying to say about bell, but it seems a lot more interesting than 'drew is always scum' - it just feels off to me in terms of thought process. she could easily be scum here. on the other hand, she is a cat, which gets points

shadi1337

well, i think shadi is the player i need to do this for the least, since i've explained my thoughts on him in some depth already. it could come from town but the townread on katya in 63 is probably what i expect scum to say here? saying he's 'not opposed' to voting datisi when asking bulge about his read feels kind of weird, in the sense i'm not sure why it's there and might be self-conscious. he doesn't like alts existing, which is actually the real reason i scumread him. the rest of these posts are a front. as i said, the read on datisi and me is *very* weird to me, and to me it shows a lack of care in solving the both of us which i dislike; i think you get to the conclusion he did if you very briefly skim datisi's post which town can do but if he's doing that, and still refers to the post to explain his decisions, it feels very very off to me.

and again, if he thinks sheep would 'definitely' be more investigative as town, it's just odd that he needs prompting to bring it up - i don't see the town thought process here really.

i think he was asked about it and didn't respond - the 'one scum' thing feels oddly specific. from his perspective, couldn't there be two? there could also be zero even if he's town but i acknowledge a lot of town players will think that is unlikely

the only thing i can really say in his defence is that if he's mafia, he's probably being bussed, because to me it doesn't really feel like they're trying to save him. and it can be difficult to tell between unmotivated town and unmotivated mafia sometimes; if you don't really care about your win condition, it's hard to tell from your actions what your win conditions is

Save the Dragons

i find std hard to sort. the push on datisi had vaguely good vibes, or at least i, uh... idk how to put it into words, but i think scum std makes the points from 327 without prompting more likely, and i think in general it could come from town easily and scum, like, could approach it this way but i'm not sure they would. think 415 is a believable read? the read would have been solidified if he had questioned me townreading him but shrug.

superbowl9

obviously, i didn't like 137; both the katya read and the ari thing felt rather empty to me, like just saying things to say things. the rest of his posts are equally empty. with 213 it's like... ok? is it scummy, because you're not really following up on it? i mean, none of it can't come from town, but there's rather a lack of anything interesting or towny in his posts and i'm not a fan of it. i guess to his credit most mafia players are better at pretending to do things, but some of the stuff he does looks like an *attempt* to contribute, i'm just not feeling it at all

sheepsaysmeep

sheepsaysmeep. i mean, he's bell's block buddy i guess, whatever that means? maybe they both live in california. well, i'd like him to elaborate on 297 because that post is just there and i'm not sure what the follow through is.

This is an insightful post; town points.

While I agree this definitely seems like a townie post, it is just a detailed list of reads.

What exactly do you find insightful? Especially when this is like 400 posts ago, her reads may have changed dramatically for all you know.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: superbowl

Lock it in, never leaving

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: superbowl

Lock it in, never leaving

okay why though? like if it’s datisi flip it’s like, how are you sure that makes superbowl9 a scums?

I thought Superbowl was scum yesterday, still think the same today.

[Doctor Drew]

Anything to say about shadi? Or dont wanna leave any associatives?

Oh stop it, Super should have the lim yesterday.....look at their iso and tell me they aren't scum.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: superbowl

Lock it in, never leaving

Pls be helpful if you're town

Anything to say about shadi? Or dont wanna leave any associatives?

Lol, for some reason I thought Katya posted this.......was wondering why a weird change in tone.

But, go look at your own iso....don't do that as scum next time lol.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: superbowl

Lock it in, never leaving

okay why though? like if it’s datisi flip it’s like, how are you sure that makes superbowl9 a scums?

I thought Superbowl was scum yesterday, still think the same today.

are you planning on hard townhunting today then? if never going to leave superbowl9?

I would prefer to find a buddy of there's.

Could be shadi as well, but they didn't make much of an impact on me so far for whatever reason.

[Doctor Drew]

@Drew, if SB flips town will you let me lim you afterward?

If you want me limmed why not just vote me now? This kinda reads that you know Superbowl will flip town and want to string together mis lims.

And yes I know the possibility they could be masons, but why sacrifice who you know who is town if you are town?

[Doctor Drew]

e-2

drew do you think superbowl is going to flip town?

No, I just don't understand the motivation of Bell's post that I quoted because I can't think of a town motivation.

Read it awhile ago, but only now have some time for mafia heh.

[Doctor Drew]

I would guess he's trying to measure how much conviction you have that superbowl is actually going to flip mafia

Are you certain Bell has town intentions?

[Doctor Drew]

@Drew, if SB flips town will you let me lim you afterward?

If you want me limmed why not just vote me now? This kinda reads that you know Superbowl will flip town and want to string together mis lims.

And yes I know the possibility they could be masons, but why sacrifice who you know who is town if you are town?

I dunno what your second question means.

I was acknowledging that you could be saying that Superbowl is town because you are two of the three masons, hence why you are hinting that SB will flip town.

So going off that possibility, why would a mason be fine with a fellow mason being limmed?

I am trying to figure out what your intentions are with this little proposal of yours, but no angle do I see town motivation.

[Doctor Drew]

Why are you mostly confident that Super Bowl is scum Drew?

VOTE: Superbowl

sell me

Just read their last post, they can't even describe why they town read Ari.....very phony.

This whole interaction with calling Ari town yet felt like extracting teeth getting SB to elaborate why, and even when explained was so so contrived.

As I said here, so phony.

[Doctor Drew]

My intention is to sit on the sidelines and poke people. You’ve been poked. Your reaction is “I don’t see the town motivation in being poked in this way” which I don’t find particularly useful.

Pedit: sure. But he presented it as wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff right out. Or the emotional equivalent anyway. Not the best take ever, but far be it from me to criticize someone for not articulating themselves good.

Well trying to string together mis lims is not a town trait, that's for sure.

I got to admit, wibbly wobbly make me chuckle lol.

But, imo......scum will feel the need to over explain a read when pushed(even if the read is phony......again as how I feel). If it is just a vibe read, just say that. They felt they HAD to explain in detail to save face.....and again, that didn't even make sense.

[Doctor Drew]

I feel that Doctor Drew is being disingenuous in their arguments.

How exactly?

I am basically saying the same things I said on D1 about SB.

And have been pretty adamant about not moving off of SB.

[Doctor Drew]

Why are you mostly confident that Super Bowl is scum Drew?

VOTE: Superbowl

sell me

Just read their last post, they can't even describe why they town read Ari.....very phony.

This whole interaction with calling Ari town yet felt like extracting teeth getting SB to elaborate why, and even when explained was so so contrived.

As I said here, so phony.

I know that you're a lost cause since I'm the easiest mislim you'll ever be gifted
But istg you did not read the interaction it went:

Me: Slight townlean Ari
Ari: Why?
Me: Feel
Ari: Can you explain
Me: Not really but if I had to its tone
Ari: Can you give me specific posts
Me: Kind of ignores the point of everything i said but here's my best try

AHA he's making up townreads!!! SCUM

Can you also lmk what is the benefit of scum me fabricating a townread on Ari?

*sometimes in the wild scum will explain to everyone else why they are scum, everyone be very quiet so we don't disturb them in their natural habitat*

Pre Edit: How else would I take it if you literally are saying 'Hey, if SB is town can I also mis lim you as well?'

[Doctor Drew]

Well, think of it from my perspective buddy.
If I’m town and you’re saying I’m lining up lims as scum am I supposed to think “bright lad, he’s got me, shame about the town role pm but maybe next time”.

Or do you think I’m going to think. After explaining myself, “well, this guy sucks. “

So the original post I quoted was just you taking the piss?

[Doctor Drew]

Oops I answered lol.

I just can't get a grasp on when you are serious or not, or what your intentions are.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh open wolfing is probably my favorite part of being scum, outside of crafting a clever fake claim.

So fun to be right in your face as scum, hence why I always look for the open wolf.

Pre Edit: I can respect that, I am starting to realize that I want to just understand you more......you are a puzzle that is causing me fits.

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE:

I think this is one of the few games where it might make sense to not drag things out too long because if the mafia are this bad at figuring out who the masons are then maybe we shouldn't let them get more time to figure it out esp if we are always going to yeet someone named superbowl anyway

Why unvote then?

[Doctor Drew]

she asked me to

[Doctor Drew]

I laughed at that drew

That is my only goal this game.

[Doctor Drew]

It’d be pretty wild if Ari was scum here insulting her team or herself.

I’ve seen that happen a lot would it really shock you?

Who doesn't publicly fight with at least one buddy at least once?

[Doctor Drew]

at this point of the game i'm not aiming to kill anyone idt, just see where the flow goes until we're closer to round end

???? So you see no scum in the game after 50 pages

Not at all what I’ve been trying to say but seeing no strong reads is not unusual for me. And sometimes it’s about finding town and other times it’s about finding scum to me depending on the game

Nah this has to go

Would scum really make a post like shadi did?

They ain't some noob.

[Doctor Drew]

at this point of the game i'm not aiming to kill anyone idt, just see where the flow goes until we're closer to round end

???? So you see no scum in the game after 50 pages

Not at all what I’ve been trying to say but seeing no strong reads is not unusual for me. And sometimes it’s about finding town and other times it’s about finding scum to me depending on the game

Nah this has to go

Would scum really make a post like shadi did?

They ain't some noob.

How do you suggest we sort someone who's not scumhunting and wants to kill no one

We don't at this point, we try try to lim those who are actually scummy(ie you), and then if Shadi is actually scum it will work itself out.

If they can't assimilate as town on D1 while being scum, then they will expose themselves going forward.....I would rather go after actual scummy play then just bad town/lim bait play(no offense to you Shadi if you are town, I definitely can relate lol).

[Doctor Drew]

Why wouldn’t that be offensive to them if they were scum?

Because it wouldn't be bad town play.....they would just be scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Are there any particular posts that you think Shadi has made that exemplify non-AI, lim-baity posts?

Well the whole 'I have no real reads' thing.......again, scum doesn't make that post.

But scum will push that as a 'scummy' post.

[Doctor Drew]

Does anyone think Drew is town?

Why do you keep dancing around voting me, if you think I am scum then vote me.

Simple as that.

[Doctor Drew]

Lol.

No vote?

Ok then, kindly fuck off and do something productive then instead of acting like you are.

Respectfully

[Doctor Drew]

drew is difficult to read because i find him scummy when he's scum but i also find him scummy when he's town

i think bell is being rather towny in this interaction and don't see the drew pov at all but like again i am aware of the need to be cautious with drew

I don't think they have showed much of a townie mindset all game, yet I am struggling to call them scum.....I hate them lol

Oh open wolfing is probably my favorite part of being scum, outside of crafting a clever fake claim.

So fun to be right in your face as scum, hence why I always look for the open wolf.

Pre Edit: I can respect that, I am starting to realize that I want to just understand you more......you are a puzzle that is causing me fits.

tbh this just makes me feel like drew is open wolfing

I open wolf no matter my alignment lol

[Doctor Drew]

Three years I wore a mask, three years I hid in the shadows. But finally, covid got me.
That fucker.

Want me to take him out back and kick the shit out of him?

[Doctor Drew]

Three years I wore a mask, three years I hid in the shadows. But finally, covid got me.
That fucker.

Want me to take him out back and kick the shit out of him?

Please do, I just woke up from a nap and immediately had to dash to the restroom to vomit.

Oh jeez, I had it back last November and it was more of just a mild bother......hope things turn around for the better shortly.

[Doctor Drew]

I’m quite easy to read (:

I can't really read you tbh

[Doctor Drew]

oh it's not e-1 I just can't count to six

Math can be tough

[Doctor Drew]

joined this game so people would mix up Dann and Dunn

reading now

Play in a hydra together.

Dannstral......Dunnflor

[Doctor Drew]

joined this game so people would mix up Dann and Dunn

reading now

Also just so you know in case you haven't looked at your role PM, but you are probably town.

[Doctor Drew]

Baaaa

Oh it’s growing again!

VOTE: drew

I have confidence that after my death you will finally town read me.

[Doctor Drew]

Baaaa

Oh it’s growing again!

VOTE: drew

I have confidence that after my death you will finally town read me.

do you townread malakittens?

She is pretty null to me, nothing comes off as towny about her, yet I also can't see scum making that comment about Bulge after the flip.

[Doctor Drew]

Baaaa

Oh it’s growing again!

VOTE: drew

I have confidence that after my death you will finally town read me.

do you townread malakittens?

She is pretty null to me, nothing comes off as towny about her, yet I also can't see scum making that comment about Bulge after the flip.

shrug i mean, i think i've seen scum do that before but i can see why someone would townread it i guess

the post i quoted kinda feels like you're talking as if she's town unless there's something i am missing there?

No I was making a joke off of them town reading Bulge after they flipped.

[Doctor Drew]

joined this game so people would mix up Dann and Dunn

reading now

Also just so you know in case you haven't looked at your role PM, but you are probably town.

drew why did you want to let me know you town read me first thing when I came into the game?

Wasn't sure who you repped in for initially, then noticed it was Katya.....and then my first thought was basically what you quoted.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm a mason so
Can we kill shadi now please?

I think this actually makes sense

UNVOTE:

[Doctor Drew]

I cc mason

Why not vote super then?

[Doctor Drew]

i think drew's reaction to the sb mason claim is pretty uninformed although i'd like him to explain why he thought sb being mason makes sense?

i also don't think bell is especially partnered. probably.

I feel like everytime we have been close to a hammer on super, it stalls and talk of a shadi wagon gains steam.

[Doctor Drew]

i think drew's reaction to the sb mason claim is pretty uninformed although i'd like him to explain why he thought sb being mason makes sense?

i also don't think bell is especially partnered. probably.

I feel like everytime we have been close to a hammer on super, it stalls and talk of a shadi wagon gains steam.

And again, unless I missed it, why did Dunn CC without a vote?

[Doctor Drew]

imagine believing dunnstral

Unfortunately not believing them is why I went against my word and backed off Super lol.

Thanks for heading my words town, well played GG...stay focused on the prize.

[Doctor Drew]

eyeroll

I know right?

A broken clock is right twice a day after all

[Doctor Drew]

imagine believing dunnstral

I'm worried about ari

You worried that is a smoke screen?

[Doctor Drew]

i could name all 3 masons right now if it would prove i'm town but i don't think its worth it

VOTE: meowmeow

I am a sucker, so I will bite.

VOTE: meow

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: drew

No the meow wagon is all the hype right now.

[Doctor Drew]

i'm like undecided who between drew and meowmeow is scummier i didnt actually reread anything overnight

Or D1 it seems.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: drew

well i'm fine with this too

drew's reaction could be uninformed but also maybe makes sense if he thought he could get away withj it & it would draw a cc and i haven't exactly been townreading the rest of his game

I think you have a sitewide post restriction where you can't town read me.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: drew

well i'm fine with this too

drew's reaction could be uninformed but also maybe makes sense if he thought he could get away withj it & it would draw a cc and i haven't exactly been townreading the rest of his game

I think you have a sitewide post restriction where you can't town read me.

Also, not referring to any ongoing games, I just was reading the post game of Blood Over Utopia lol.

[Doctor Drew]

UNVOTE: Wait...

This actually might be townMeow then

[Doctor Drew]

do you want me to name names

I don't think that is very smart if you are a mason.

[Doctor Drew]

ok after you kill me you have 7 people left and you get 2 or 3 lims i guess. i'm a vt, obviously.

probably don't kill
bell
std
aristeia
sheep
mala?

maybe do kill
dannflor
drew
shadi

i *think* mafia is probably two of the last three. you don't have to listen to me and in fact i suspect you won't. i would elaborate but like the mason thing and i doubt it would make a difference. if you clear people because superbowl pushed them i will literally haunt you from the dead pt. i'm scary.

feel free to kill me now if you don't want aristeia to waste her time, not sure what else i can really say here.

Why are you seemingly giving up when you don't even have the most votes on you?

[Doctor Drew]

idk the dunnstral flip kinda makes me want to reevaluate all the initial reads I had coming into the game

but i see

Might want to check your role PM again, might not be as green as I once thought.

You can answer this in post game, you thought they actually were mason didn't you?

[Doctor Drew]

I think drew is probably town

Sir, ease show yourself out of my pocket post haste.

Bell bell bell

Whoa I tried to post an emoji from my phone and the site blew up

Ya this place doesn't like you using your phone's native emojis

[Doctor Drew]

mmm drew why aren't you voting

Problem is everyone not named Ari or STD I would vote for.

I definitely can get on board with Shadi, but now Mala voting them gives me pause.

[Doctor Drew]

Why does Mala voting there give you pause

I would much prefer a mala wagon.

[Doctor Drew]

mala is so town

Ugh, I hate that I like you.....the pain!

VOTE: Shadi

Pre Edit: Country sucks, and pop country is somehow even worse.

[Doctor Drew]

Why does Mala voting there give you pause

I would much prefer a mala wagon.

is mala like your top scum read?

I don’t really know how to square that you would vote most of the plist but also one player voting another gives you pause

Yes, if I wasn't clear.......Mala is the top of the list, and them voting Shadi makes me think 'I don't believe Mala would buss at this point'.

BUT.......I tend to defer to my top town reads in a situation like this, especially when I can't really make a big case on Mala outside of 'I mean....c'mom'......it is a gut thing.

[Doctor Drew]

maybe someone else can do the counter claim this time for the storm troopers in the back

I pre CC

[Doctor Drew]

Literally my 1712 was not directed at you but meow.

How can you mix that up?

[Doctor Drew]

Sheeping Ari is going well.

VOTE: Bell

E-1 I believe.

[Doctor Drew]

Bell, for the love of God.....ARE.....YOU.....A....MASON!

[Doctor Drew]

Honestly Dann, you bring up good points......but my vibe check still says Ari is town.

[Doctor Drew]

lets leave the catching baddies thing to me ok dear

also i think town ari would be less condescending

Source: nothing but i want to believe it

not really I'm much nicer as mafia

I'm only condescending and mean as town

My asshole-nish is NAI lol

[Doctor Drew]

gg everyone and thanks for modding peta

ari u were super good <3

All of this, sheeping Ari was the correct play lol.

Also meow, please townread me once lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I actually really enjoyed Bell, unlike the cut of his gib.

I am sorry for coming for you right out the gate Dats lol.

I am also glad we got along a bit better this time Ari heh.

Superbowl is fun as well.

[Doctor Drew]

I actually really enjoyed Bell, unlike the cut of his gib.

I am sorry for coming for you right out the gate Dats lol.

I am also glad we got along a bit better this time Ari heh.

Superbowl is fun as well.

*I like, not unlike

[Doctor Drew]

Reading the masons PT, Std was the only person I was confident was a mason(despite the doubt in me lol).....I think we had a good soul read going on this game.

Even thought it didn't matter, still kicking myself at briefly believing that Super was a mason.