Micro 1090: Fruit Mafia - Game Over!

[Datisi]

i'm a fruit

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I know I might actually just get day 1d for this

???

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i've randed scum like 50 times in a row, i believe it

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like, were you expecting me to push you for that or something, idgi

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Aristeia pushed me for rolling miller twice which is like magnitudes more likely probabilistically

oh, she did? that makes sense why'd you react like that okay cool sure

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hi can you get a profile picture

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VOTE: atsi

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what have they done to make you think they're town @ausuka

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something feels Off about the skitter/shea conversation

no i don't know exactly what i'll figure it out at some point

[Datisi]

v/la until tuesday

i'm going on a full day trip tomorrow. might post during bus rides but no promises

[Datisi]

yeah okay sure

VOTE: skitter

i guess i'm kind of not 100% sure why skitter is actually voting shea. like i feel like the conclusion to which she came is supposed to be implied but it's not actually clear, and either that is scummy or i'm too tired to work it out but until one of those changes

[Datisi]

oh wait no 70 is a post that exists

hmm

but he did explicitly say he doesn't think of her as scum and i don't think "you're shading!!" is necessarily that more likely than "you're throwing out thoughts as they come to you"

[Datisi]

Honestly Datisi ALSO feels off in this conversation what the hell. You seem like...way too diplomatic dude

-Shade

i am trying to work out which one of you (or both) is giving me bad feels and why

if i had a good scumread of one of you i'd be pushing it

[Datisi]

not the biggest fan of infinity's weaksauce attention diversion from the main argument (yes this is partly fueled by omgus but i still think it's odd with how little comment they handvawed skitt/shea)

ok i go sleep now see ya

[Datisi]

why was my reaction bad

the convo you and shea were having was lowkey bizzare

[Datisi]

shea made a kind of passing comment that i feel like gets made a lot in mafia

you jumped in disliking it (which like ok) and asking if he thinks she fakeclaims like that as scum (which like, is A Logical thing to ask but i feel like town-shea wouldn't have been operating on that, he was just saying how something felt, and as if you're trying to make his take more ridiculous than it really is)

his response was to vote you, but not for the weird lowkey putting words into his mouth, but for deliberately misunderstanding (?) (which as i type might even be overlapping or same but at the time struck me as ???)

and then you double down on. voting him. and demanding that he explains why he thinks scum her would fakeclaim and it feels like you're voting him for not being perfectly thought out,, which feels bad because tiwn is not perfectly thought out all the time. then you also comment on the fact he's shading her, which makes more sense as something scummy but also it was just a Passing Comment that again, i fwel like they happen all the time in mafia and you're making a more big of a deal than it really is

it's weird!! the whole conversation was weird being held between two good and experienced players!!

[Datisi]

not the biggest fan of infinity's weaksauce attention diversion from the main argument (yes this is partly fueled by omgus but i still think it's odd with how little comment they handvawed skitt/shea)

really? like what does it say to you that we don't have much of an opinion on shea's alignment from that interaction

nothing

also why as scum do we try to divert attention from a 1v1 that is probably just gonna draw more attention to itself

why not lol
if it's tvt then it might not need your help and will keep drawing attention to itself while you can work on a misyeet elsewhere
if it's tvs maybe you don't know how to position yourself against your partner and/or trust them to handle the situation

like these are just the first 2 thoughts and there's probably more and surely you know how bad of an argument this is

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like is there even a conclusion to this? what does bizarreness have to do with alignment?

the conclusion happened like 2 pages prior to that post, which is that the shea/skitt interaction feels wrong and that i'm not sure if an interaction between two town players who have a lot of experience in mafia would progress the way it did

and yes shea is the more sensical(?) townie(?) person in that interaction, but like i said i thought his initial skitt vote was reacting to the wrong thing, but then later on i figured it's not that much of a wrong thing so /shrug

[Datisi]

@dats yes like i already said
I agree that shea is not like the scummiest scum to obvscum

But it felt weird and pinged
And i think at this stage of the game jumping on things that ping is how to get things rolling

that's not my problem, nobody here is gonna be scummiest scum to obvscum on page 3 or whatever

my problem is the Things you actually pushed him on being ???

[Datisi]

quoting on mobile is a pain so

skitt - i'm just gonna say ok and try to move on because i don't think we're getting anything out of it. i don't think town always thinks through the implications of claiming ausuka is overblowing into how likely or unlikely she is to claim or not claim tnat as scum, and i feel like you should know that. because this feels like you're jumping onto ausukas defense for something so minor and i just don't see why you're jumping to that logical part or expecting town to be playing like that. obviously i'm not gonna change your mind if your scum or if you're town so ok

infinity - i'm expecting you to have different thoughts as town lmao idk. it feels odd to me to not want to likw, idk think something about the argument and instead jump to someone else. diverting attention was probably the wrong word to use but like, if you're scum you yourself don't need to focus on the 1v1 whereas townyou would be more likely to have more extensive thoughts there

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"why not" just doesn't make sense as a response to me here given you're the one that claimed it was scummy and I don't understand why you think what I did is either less likely from town or more likely from scum.

i claimed it was scummy, you claimed you wouldn't do it as scum, i responded to that saying you would

yes i can feel how unproductive this conversation is thanks for asking

[Datisi]

it actually feels kind of disheartening to be told that nothing i'm saying is making any sense when i feel like i'm TRYING to explain my pov as best as i can and it's a little jumbled but everyone is just like "wow datisi so odd datisi scum"

[Datisi]

i mean i guess i'm used to the second part but i don't feel like my position is that unclear and it keeps being made into something unclear

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what have they done to make you think they're town @ausuka

@ausuka about atsi if you didn't

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what am i supposed to make of that, infinity? i think skitter is scummier than shea. i decided to vote her on vibes but then i worked those vibes out

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yeah, i figured the atsi townread was about their willingness to annoy people and i was gonna ask if that's really warranted as they seem to have experience elsewhere

[Datisi]

why is infinity town?

i wanna vibe ausuka as town but i know that is Dangerous so instead i'll just uhhh vibe shea's read there, how about that

but my townread on shea is also a vibe, oh the horrors

why is infinity town? my thoughts on them were much weaker than on skitter, i could be persuaded to change my mind there

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OH MY FUCKING GOD while typing out that post i forgor i asked the question already and asked it again yknow what i'm gonna go to bed

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Like I know this sounds dumb but more often than not the things that scum say don't actually make sense, they just appear to, but here I can clearly follow Skitter's logic and it doesn't sound fake or contradict itself.

have you, uh ever played with skitter before

[Datisi]

i understood what you were saying, i just thought you were scum for it >_>

did i misunderstand at any point?

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do you disagree with my explanation of why i thought it was bizarre and why do you think it's scummy for me to think so

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can you work out with shea whether skitter posted anything that was "out of the ordinary"

jfc it's so annoying being sussed by both black and shea for doing the same thing closely related to skitter even though they have wildly different perceptions of skitter

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Like I know this sounds dumb but more often than not the things that scum say don't actually make sense, they just appear to, but here I can clearly follow Skitter's logic and it doesn't sound fake or contradict itself.

have you, uh ever played with skitter before

Yeah but I was scum so it doesn't really count. What's your point though?

my point is that saying "this person is town because i can follow their logic" is a godawful argument to make, doubly so when it's skitter you're talking about who's definitely a good enough player to keep her internal points consistent

like, in my mind i'm osculating between "dragon is town because that argument is so bad no way scum ever makes it" and "dragon is scum because he didn't even look at whether skitt's post make sense as scum or town motivation and townchucked her for being logical"

[Datisi]

maybe a slight sideeye to skitter for not saying "you shouldn't townread me for that" because i know town-her says that semi-often and i'm sure her scum ego would be at least slightly wounded at implying scum-her can't keep inner logic consistent

[Datisi]

Oh no dats is scum

lmao what

in what way is 240 (which i'm assuming you're referring to here) scummy

[Datisi]

I do get a kick out of saying it as scum, yes
That's not what i said tho

okay, what provoked the "oh no datisi is scum" post then?

How likely is this dragon-is-scum universe to you?

fuck if i know. slightly above rand, but i don't have a confident read on most of the game yet so i'm not tying myself to any reads

[Datisi]

I do get a kick out of saying it as scum, yes
That's not what i said tho

okay, what provoked the "oh no datisi is scum" post then?

How likely is this dragon-is-scum universe to you?

fuck if i know. slightly above rand, but i don't have a confident read on most of the game yet so i'm not tying myself to any reads

Ok so. ... why is that world more likely

because i don't townread the slot otherwise?

can you answer the first question

[Datisi]

i dunno, i feel like "skitter is having takes that make sense, therefore town" is a. hm. position. and i don't think that's really exclusive to skitter. like at least competent scum players are capable of making pushes that make sense

it is *slightly* better than what i thought you were saying but

i could tentatively agree that skitter's thoughts you quoted there "make sense" because sure there's nothing logically wrong with thinking "if shea is thinking ausuka is scum for being over the top, then he must be thinking she's fakeclaiming as well, therefore i can ask him about it" but the approach itself doesn't make sense to me as a play from an experienced player

idk lole i feel bad writing that out if skitter is town but it just seems wild to me that she'd go for that angle and the underlying assumption that town-shea must have thought through every possible implication just bc of saying ausuka might be scum (even though he wasn't saying that in the first place etc etc)

[Datisi]

why do you think i should be townreading him then

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i want to say skitters scummy but its like everyones susing skitter so it doesnt feel like its very likely she'll flip scum

i feel like 1 1/2 slots have said she's scum, what are you on about lmao

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because her implication that shea shouldve been thinking about "how likely is it that scumsuka makes the miller claim" when he said "ausukas reaction is a bit over the top" is Bad?

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like idk if i can make it any clearer

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Pedit it's not impossible but like ... how likely do you think that is for scum-him to replace in and decide to defend town-me this way?

Question for dats too - part od why i think it's quite odd that you're landing on this being more likely to be scum

sorry i really don't undertstand what is supposed to be so unlikely about it. if you're buddies there's clear motive for that. even from town-you pov, scum defends town all the time. especially if you so claim that you have a lot of momentum on you. a defense like that that likely won't deter anyone from actually voting you is actually a really good place for scum if he can make it seem genuine??

[Datisi]

Pedit it's not impossible but like ... how likely do you think that is for scum-him to replace in and decide to defend town-me this way?

Question for dats too - part od why i think it's quite odd that you're landing on this being more likely to be scum

sorry i really don't undertstand what is supposed to be so unlikely about it. if you're buddies there's clear motive for that. even from town-you pov, scum defends town all the time. especially if you so claim that you have a lot of momentum on you. a defense like that that likely won't deter anyone from actually voting you is actually a really good place for scum if he can make it seem genuine??

- do u think we're buddies
- agreed that it's possible for scum to do this ... i just think it's significantly less likely than just voting me

i already told you i'm not making a solve yet when half the game is unreadable, i don't fucking know. you could be

why is it "significantly less likely"

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@dats why doesnt scum just follow the push that has a lot of momentum?

because it looks better for them long term if they can appear like they're defending you and you flip town? like

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like he's not even pushing anyone else, he voted shea for like, something that he in that post already hedged about

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inb4 i'm about to get more shit for shading 2 slots at the same time or whatever but like

god the conversation with skitter about dragon feels so fucking bizarre to me. "weakly defending a scumread slot" is one of the basics of scumplay. dragon is doing nothing else towny otherwise. i really struggle to see skitter discard a whole read there just because "well if he was scum he would've pushed me on entrance". if there was some meta evidence to show that dragon is a hyperlazy scum player then maybe, but it doesn't seem like there is and i just don't see it

and, IRONICALLY, skitter's defense of dragon gives me "weakly defending a scumread slot" vibes

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Also I think Ausuka is likely scum, for 2 reasons:

• Both her anger, and the later apology in #50, feels kinda off to me. I'm not sure how to best explain it, but it's different from how I think a person that genuinely feels angry/apologetic would express those feelings.

• Having rolled miller twice in a row before would would likely put miller on top of scum!Ausuka's mind when considering a strategy.

why did you wait until now to say this?

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VOTE: infinity

can i get some of them Thoughts on why you voted there

[Datisi]

VOTE: dragoneater

it's never as easy as dragon/skitter right? right...

i feel like this game needs some momentum somewhere else we're just gonna be stuck in mud forever, and i definitely do not dislike this vote so

Y-2 or whatever

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Skitter attacked Night Shade for making a half-committed/flip-floppy (not the exact word but you get my point) read on Ausuka's reaction?

yeah sure, she did. that part's not great, but it's whatever. *then* she carried on with "well if you think that, then you also must think that ausuka would fakeclaim miller, and--" and i don't like that.

you can find her scumgames by going to her profile and looking at which threads she's posted in.

your defense of her is incredibly weak because "her takes are something i could have" and "they make sense" is incredibly weak reasoning that is not going to convince anyone she's town.

why do you think it's relevant to this conversation that you're voting the person who's voting skitter?

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i don't think we have the same meaning of performative in mind because i think i'm being the opposite of performative. like i haven't actually efforted or pretend-efforted this whole game so idk

over the top maybe. i am exaggerating some things because (1) annoyed (2) game is kinda not going anywhere and maybe that helps it move along.

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i mean ok

i feel like it should be relatively easy to see why this is a gamestate in which i might be over the top as town as well, but y'know

if you actually want something from me lmk

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idk either

now that you said it i am interested in hearing what they found townie about my response

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unfortunately to have reads i need to actually have things happen

wagons are known to make things happen sometimes

(also like i said i was sussing dragons before them >_>)

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i'm around i just don't really have anything to say lole

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ehh, it's odd timing i guess but i wouldn't go full out conspiracy theory on that yet.

i don't wanna answer instead of ari, so if she'd want to clarify why she voted infinity then instead of any time prior, she can

but it feels very unlikely there's not something else at play and i wouldn't necessarily see it as theatre either

[Datisi]

I still find night shade ro be ridiculously scummy

is there any new material here that you'd like to share

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this exchange made me feel like skitter isn't really trying to sort me

*blinks*

what

what in this exchange made you think skitter isn't trying to sort you? how would you expect town-skitter to have acted?

pedit: BRUH

[Datisi]

I think I already replied to this but like are you scumreading each of us for white knighting the other basically but in a weak way?

no, i'm scumreading skitter for other reasons, + her defense of you wasn't bad because it was *weak*, it was bad because it was utterly bonkers and i had no idea how she came to that conclusion so strongly

[Datisi]

because when you said "defend weakly" I interpreted it to mean "half hearted defense where the scum player doesn't actually intend the townie to not be elimmed". But it seems you actually meant "defense that doesn't convince other people" (since you said what I bolded above). So yeah obvously in that case my voting of Night Shade has nothing to do with it, but what I meant was basically that I was committing to the defense of Skitter because I thought she was townie, and voted the person who was attacking her. Does that make sense? IDK it probably doesn't.
Also, just to clarify the "weak defense thing", do you basically scum read me for not having a convincing defense of Skitter? Or what? Do you want me to towncase Skitter more than I already have?

why can't it be both? like legit i don't think i see a meaningful difference between the two definitions you put out there.

that doesn't make sense, because even if you knew 100% that skitter is town, you don't actually know whether night shade is scum attacking her, or town attacking her. and if you're town, and your goal is to be voting scum, saying you're voting night shade as a way of defending skitter, without giving a solid reason why you think there's scum between one of them is... not good

i mean, partly. party i think your defense of skitter is really bad and i can easily see it coming from scum. but also some other things about your play bother me. for one it's the weird, almost nonsensical reductions. the one i quoted in my previous post, like i think my reasoning is clear, i've pointed out more things about skitter, so to be reducing it to what you did there is ???. the paragraph you wrote above about different interepretations is also ???. like, it's i can't feel the natural thought train from that onto you talking about your vote on night shade "in that case" because i don't see how it's connected either way.

was there something else as well? may have been, idk i've been checked out

[Datisi]

look at me I'm the traitor

bestie we're in a micro

[Datisi]

pedit: you're saying that like a traitor is 200% impossible in a micro

if there's a traitor in this game i will flame sircakez so hard in post game i will eat a permaban

[Datisi]

okay uhm. this is awkward but uh

is temporallich a traitor?

[Datisi]

okay uhm. this is awkward but uh

is temporallich a traitor?

Sircakez finding a method to put three mafia into his micro game;

i mean sorry idk what else to think of "*points at own slot* this slot is not town!!!!"

but surely not ahaha surely not right cakez you wouldn't do that to me cakez right

[Datisi]

i had a dream i woke up to a TL flip and he was red and i sure fucking hope my dream was right

[Datisi]

something strikes me as fake in that "accidental" hammer from dragon

if TL is green it's massively scummy, but if TL is red i'm not sure i've ever seen a bus done like that so maybe dragon is town then

[Datisi]

wait what, ausuka's y-1 and his hammer were like 12 hours apart

and "there's been a page since the VC" the VC and the y-1 are on the same page like 2 posts apart

yeah nvm dragon can die

[Datisi]

this VC is from 6 PM yesterday and there's been no pages since then

how did you know there were no new pages since the one the VC was posted on if you didn't actually open that page

[Datisi]

actually there *was* a whole new page and like 25 posts since the VC what am i saying

[Datisi]

if you're town i sure hope that TL is scum because i don't buy this at all

[Datisi]

idk i don't think "yes i saw there were new posts but i decided to not read them because i just assumed that they were complaining about the game being slow" is a thing

like consciously knowing you're putting someone at y-1 and just. not checking. yeah idk

[Datisi]

VOTE: dragoneater

need to think about skitter again as well idk

[Datisi]

marci when she realizes there exist more than 7 fruits in the world

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i am 99.99% sure scum has fruit fakeclaims and this is amtitown but i don't care enough to argue

[Datisi]

i am saying scum very likely has fakeclaims thus a cc will not happen

any info that we give to scum that we do not have to give to scum and that is unlikely to help us is antitown

[Datisi]

scum probably knows which fruit isn't in the game and can claim them without cc

[Datisi]

i am saying scum very likely has fakeclaims thus a cc will not happen

any info that we give to scum that we do not have to give to scum and that is unlikely to help us is antitown

I'm gonna be honest i don't get it

i don't have super strong feelings about it being anti town which is why i don't exactly care if it happens so

[Datisi]

i am kind of worried about how confident datisi is about dragoneater being lying scum because i don't even see the incentive to lie about hammering temporal lich cuz he already claimed VT and was on 4 votes

i'm not super sure about it tbh

it's a starting point for today but i wanna see where things go from there because, as i said, i still have Worries about another slot here

[Datisi]

I dunno how I feel about dunking dragoneater I am kind of worried it'll be another townflip and then f5 elo will be awful

don't disagree, what are your other reads?

VOTE: skitter

[Datisi]

I dunno how I feel about dunking dragoneater I am kind of worried it'll be another townflip and then f5 elo will be awful

don't disagree, what are your other reads?

VOTE: skitter

Why?

because of the early stuff still and her ??? townread on dragon, i vaguely recall skitt being okay at reading me (or at least like, always calling out scum me in spec chats) so i'm raising an eyebrow at the vote on me (note that i am aware she may have a tendency to scumread me regardless of alignment, which is why i'm not pushing this harder) and while i was yelling at dragon at eod1 for hammering, her "i'm not sure this makes dragon scum" (presented with no further comment) gave me this distinct FEELING of TL being town and dragon being town and her capitalizing on me going batshit insane over the oopsie hammer so that she can push me once dragon flips town

[Datisi]

Anyway Datisi I kinda understand your reasoning here on Skitter, but is she actually known to plan eliminations 2 days in advance?

Because that's pretty lit if she can do that. I could never do that.

like idk how often this happens and it makes you sound a bit paranoid (which is not scummy btw, it's actually townie when I think about it).
So umm you did say she was a pro scum player, do you think it's within her range?

she is an excellent scum player and this sort of thing is like the most basic elimination planning (aka even i could do it) so yes it is def within her range

it is also within her range to make up a reason why she townread you for it later, @skit i did see the post you quoted but i just don't find it town-indicative for you at all sorry

[Datisi]

skitt do you have any of them Thoughts on my 633?

[Datisi]

i'm not sure what there is to not get lmao, i explained it in that post

the main thing i want you to respond to - do you disagree in my assessment of your prior read rate on me? if yes, why? if no, why are you failing this game?

i started the day voting him because i was annoyed at the hammer lmao, i also wanted to see what he'll do. but also he felt kinda pure today so i didn't actually wanna vote him for it anymore

[Datisi]

god i feel like town-skitt would take this opportunity to actually talk about her read on me and why she's voting me instead of these very bland responses

but fine - why are you voting me?

[Datisi]

ausuka why aren't you voting dragon

[Datisi]

what if the team is skitter/ausuka

then what

then we're fucked frfr

[Datisi]

I miss being able to read Datisi on page 1 why did he have to get so good at playing scum ;_;

ive literally never randed scum in my life

[Datisi]

i just saw her talking about dragon on this page (655 specifically) and i just had a "oh. oh no." moment

[Datisi]

i don't think discussing "how likely is it that cakez gave x or y fruit as a fakeclaim" is productive at all because none of us can prove anything about it

what's townie about 655? the way she's like... obviously she does not townread dragons, but the fact that she's not voting makes me feel as if she was hoping some town sucker (aka me) would lead the push there so she wouldn't have to get so much blood on her hands, but surprise surprise my 3 neurons decided they wanted to do something else instead

dragoneater has a total of one (1) vote so i don't think that explains the hesitancy to actually vote there

also not to do preflip or anything but ausuka and skitter have taken the polar opposite stance on dragon pumping out a readslist after realizing he's accidentally hammering but they're not interacting with each other about it in a way that i would assume they would i guess? like they're friends this feels weird

also sharing reads before nightfall is really not that uncommon. ausuka is correct that it probably is Optimal Play to not do that unless you have high nk equity (am i using "equity" correctly there? you get my point) but i def think that "oh shit thread gonna close soon, i need to get my other thoughts out" is not that uncommon of a thought among townies and i just really hate the way she framed it in her post?

[Datisi]

Uh you realize i hadnf posted/read since ausuka made that post, right?

i am aware of that yes, but ausuka had dragon at the bottom of her readslist since daystart, and she did post since you made the "dragons is town because of readslist etc" post so

[Datisi]

Anyway Datisi I kinda understand your reasoning here on Skitter, but is she actually known to plan eliminations 2 days in advance?

Because that's pretty lit if she can do that. I could never do that.

like idk how often this happens and it makes you sound a bit paranoid (which is not scummy btw, it's actually townie when I think about it).
So umm you did say she was a pro scum player, do you think it's within her range?

she is an excellent scum player and this sort of thing is like the most basic elimination planning (aka even i could do it) so yes it is def within her range

it is also within her range to make up a reason why she townread you for it later, @skit i did see the post you quoted but i just don't find it town-indicative for you at all sorry

I'm not saying it's town-indicative for me i'm saying it should be town-indicative for dragon -> your scumread on me is in part predicated on the fact that i'm townreading dragon, and i'm explaining why

Does that post impact ur dragon sr at all?

Like did you respond to this?

did not seem worth responding to at the time, i think the way you framed the first line of the post is like... like it's not my issue the fact that you're townreading dragons, not exactly (well at least not the fact you're townreading him for the lolhammer + reaction), but the way you framed the townread with the "not sure it makes him scum" and then didn't explain it at all during eod1 even though there was time, it felt like you wanted to get in the "look guys i'm townreading dragons even though datisi is pushing him" like, didn't seem like you wanted to actually talk to me about why you thought he was scummy at the time. again the "very weak defense not meant to change anyone's mind"

i don't know what is the "that" post you're referring to, but no i don't really care about the fact he made a readslist post the lolhammer. i think his reactions d2 have been townie

[Datisi]

god i feel like town-skitt would take this opportunity to actually talk about her read on me and why she's voting me instead of these very bland responses

but fine - why are you voting me?

You feel off and performative and your reads and trajectories don't make sense to me
I don't understand your reasons for scumreading me, and when you explain it i just go ... ok? doesnt feel like a real read you have (or ever had) conviction in, and it was easy to sheep shea on it
Now it's easy to push dragon, and i don't really feel like you're taking into acct how likely it is for scum to behave the way he did around hammer

you are like, aware, that i'm not pushing dragon? like, surely? like, your "you're doing what's easy!" narrative here is completely wrong?

also sorry i feel like the "you feel off and performative" is a really easy thing to say that can't be falsified, even when some other people have said you're wrong (ausuka iirc)

my scumread of you makes perfect sense and i'm kinda tired of being told "it doesn't make sense" and i'm feeling like it's a scum tactic

i need to go do an IRL thing but i have more things to say / respond to i think, be back later

[Datisi]

Like ... what exactly are you expecting here

i was expecting you, who apparently thought dragon's posting a readslist right after hammer is super scummy, to have had SOME reaction to skitter saying how that is townie for him, twice

[Datisi]

tbh i just don't really see why scum wouldn't pivot to the reads before the night falls

???

*squints*

yeah ok sure i rescind my point.

what's your read on skitter?

[Datisi]

I liked that it felt kind of original and went back to dragoneater after the initial rush on him had died down and everyone had kind of expressed a view not to lim him

like marci said no
i said no
skitter said no
you switched too

atsi is the only one still trying to vote DE off
dragon eater isnt going to vote himself

so like is it really going to be convincing any1 to lim DE?

I think one thing scum like to do is move with thread flow and it feels really counter intuitive to maintain course here if she's mafia when she could probably do better supporting skitter against you or just bus skitter if she's partnered with skitter?

I guess you could say like she's trying to pull skitter out of 1v1ing you to reroute back to dragon but like i feel its not the first thing that comes to my mind for how she approaches this situation as scum

i switched but i don't think i'd really said i townread him? like i reskimmed my post i don't think i gave a vibe of "i'm townreading / not-scumreading dragons now"

assuming atsi isn't scum with ausuka, and assuming scum-ausuka can sway me to vote dragon again (espeically if she can sway me to start scumreading him again) then her partner can bullshit a scumread on dragon and there you go -> i'm

not

saying this is definitely what is happening but i don't think it's super implausible as a scum plan from scumsuka POV

i'm not great at having good reads as town and i think ausuka is well enough aware of that to be trying to have me on the wrong yeet of dragons

ari, who is scum?

[Datisi]

i mean, you know it's nullish, right? i posted a reads list. i could go on about how, uh, i wasn't a fan of the argument that scum dragon would push skitter, i'm not sure she kills infinity? but ultimately the conclusion is i don't know!

you did post a readslist but your 688 gave me a Vibe you might be thinking she's town, which goes against the readslist so i wanted to have an actual read on skitter from you instead of just vague readslist placing

[Datisi]

why doesn't she kill infinity

[Datisi]

Like
You can't at the same time be like

'Skitter why on earth are you possibly thinking i'm pushing dragon'
And
'I reread my post and i'm super confident the vibe on it was not that i'm not-scumreading him'

i'm sorry this is extremely bad faith

yes i voted dragons at daystart. but then i was like "ok i'm not that confident on it, let's push something else"


like whether or not you think i'm still scumreading him or not is irrelevant. the fact is you're accusing me of pushing dragons as means of it being very easy. like 702 very clearly implies i'm scum just doing whatever is easiest, and in that sense to ignore the fact that i'm not pushing dragons at all right now and am instead pushing *you*, and not acknowledging how that fits into your "datisi is scum pushing easy things" worldview at all, is very bad faith

[Datisi]

ausuka: i think dragons is scum for eod1 posting
skitter: *thumbs up*

datisi: i don't think dragons' eod1 posting makes me lean town or scum on him
skitter: *angy*

like yeah ok. i dismissed his ubertownie post at eod1, and that's apparently worse than outright scumreading him for it. do you think scum-me would struggle to make up a bullshit scumread there? like i LITERALLY HAD ALREADY SCUMREAD HIM AT EOD1 FOR IT then i decided that it's NAI actually but no that's bad

also i'm townreading him for d2 posting but that doesn't matter because i'm discarding his eod1 posting and that's easy

sorry can you not see how this sounds from my POV?

[Datisi]

I don't really see what my read on dragon in twilight has to do with you at all, honestly, and it seems like a massive stretch to me that you're trying to make me giving a tr to dragon in twilight a setup for pushing you (especially you in particular)
Especially b/c other people similarly were scumreading dragon after the hammer - atsi voted him, even, and ausuka also indicated she was not townreading him

sure let me be more elaborate about it i guess. you guessed that there will be people wanting dragon blood after he hammered TL and after TL flips green - confirmed me because i was already seeing red, but also maybe someone else jumps on it as well - and you know that IF, townies push dragon through on d2, and IF you appear as the white knight who tried to stop it but failed, you will be in an EXCELLENT position going into f5

like this is not a stretch. this is some basic scumplay planning for f5.

[Datisi]

am i 100% sure this is what is happening? no of course not. but i really don't think the narrative of "scum-skitter saw a townie that just shit the bed, and is preparing to vaguely defend him while hoping he still goes though on d2" is like, very difficult to see? or to imagine town-me coming up with?

[Datisi]

datisi: pushes dragon (easy push)
datisi: starts pushing skitter (difficult push)
skitter: wow you're only doing things that are easy, you're scum

what is difficult here? where am i wrong?

[Datisi]

I don't feel like you're countering my point for why i think it's townie, you're just saying you don't care. And my point is that - dragon is a very, very easy push, and it's very easy to just dismiss the good posts, which is what you were doing at daystart

why do i need to counter it? if you're town, you think you're right. if you're scum, you're probably right. i am not currently pushing dragon and in fact i have said I THINK HE IS TOWNIE FOR D2 POSTING. why does it MATTER that i'm townreading him for something that isn't that?

[Datisi]

But framing this as - 'i'm townreading dragon and didnt talk to you abt it in order to push you in particular' is on the surface a stretch, and even more of a stretch given that i didn't talk to atsi or ausuka abt it either - i don't know why you're especially drawing a connection between the read and *you*

that's not what i said, i said i didn't like that you didn't explain the townread at eod1, not that you didn't explain it *to me*

i guess kind of *to me* but that's because i was the main "omg dragons is scums" at eod1 and i'd expect you to talk to me (or whoever is present) before the thread lock about it if you had that read

lmk what it is that i'm not addressing ig

[Datisi]

dragon, imagine a world where skitter and ausuka really are the scumteam

is town EVER winning that game? no, no it's not

[Datisi]

How ur trying to say you're not pushing dragon
While also deliberately positioning yourself as not having a read on him (i.e. in the context of whether or not ur open to voting him)

i accused you of being scum that's white knighting dragons

and accused ausuka of beign scum pushign town-dragons

which part of all that is me positioning for jumping onto dragons exactly?

[Datisi]

My issue is that you're framing my townread on dragon as a push on you in particular

can you please show where i am doing this, because i don't think these two are related (other than the fact that i was present at eod1 screaming at dragons, but that's not about me it's about the fact i was present)

[Datisi]

ari

why

[Datisi]

if you put a gun to my head and told me to find one (1) townie thing that atsi has done this game, my response would be "idk man just fucking shoot me"

but there is something... off about it. like if we flip them and they're red, okay cool. but if we flip them and they're green, we're fucked. like completely fucked

like idk maybe atsi really is just a newbscum that doesn't know how to advance their reads further than reading a one singular thing a person has done as scum and locking it in

but my gut is screaming at me that yeeting atsi today spells disaster. (i mean it's probably because i think skitter's scum and i don't get any partnery vibes between the two of them but idk shit difficult)

[Datisi]

How is that scummy tho lol

why is aristeia scummy to you

[Datisi]

i am the most obvious candidate to push if i end up keeping up with my "holy shit guys dragons is so fucking scum" into day 2 and onto his yeet, and yes that is the vibe i got when you posted at eod1

but that's not applicable *solely* to me, like i cannot achieve the yeet by myself without 3 other people voting so i wouldn't be the sole target there

[Datisi]

I want a vc but probably fine voting atsi tbh

I do think there's a p good chance marci is scum here

what is like, your thought on how this ends up going

[Datisi]

I want a vc but probably fine voting atsi tbh

I do think there's a p good chance marci is scum here

what is like, your thought on how this ends up going

Wdym

759 makes it seem like you're very much fine with killing atsi here, which i find puzzling considering *waves hands* everythign else you've said

[Datisi]

so you think there's also a p good chance marci is scum here
you admit your reads are kinda not doing well this game

and you're fine killing what is arguably the lowest hanging fruit here? you've arguably only re-evaled me here, you've said nothing about dragon's d2 posting, or about anyone else as far as i can see

like you seem very resigned to just vote out atsi because "eh they're kinda scummy ig idk lol" and it seems like the opposite of everything i know about town-skitter

like i know you similar to me take so much time to to vote in yeetlo because you have to check everything and can never be sure and etc etc and you're here now being like "we can vote out atsi ig" where's the panic?? where's like, ATTEMPTS to make the yeetlo not a fucking nightmare if atsi flips town by figuring out a backup plan and a backup backup plan

[Datisi]

like
within less than an hour you say
"I want a vc but probably fine voting atsi tbh"
and
"Like there's a lot of people i don't really have reads on"
knowing a misyeet puts us in f5

like i do not believe that town-skitter would EVER be okay with going into f5 while not having solid reads on the whole table, or at least be trying to do something about it

[Datisi]

why is ausuka town to you

bonus points if you do not use the word "miller" in your explaination

[Datisi]

@Datisi
Can you tell me who you think is Skitter's partner if you think she's actually scum? Or at least who might have "partner vibes" with her? Personally I can't think of anyone except maaaaybe Ausuka but I'm not sold on that yet.

i don't fucking know homie imagine getting good partner reads in this economy

like, ausuka makes sense as a sort of they were going to powerwolf this game together team. you would make sense as a sort of, extreme level zero associate read (though i doubt it as skitter isn't showing enough wim for her to be brave enough to be making such level zero associates behind her i think). and atsi and marci are both like. i mean if you're skitter who's partners with one of them what realistically do you do. i think she'd make more sense as a marci partner rather than atsi because i don't think she'd be acting like this towards partner atsi when he's under real threat of getting yeeted so idk

i guess her being with ari is possible but i don't think ari is scum (or i just really don't want ari to be scum) so i'm ignoring that

it's like, unless you can make a VERY strong case on why skitter is not paired with EVERY SINGLE other player, i don't think "well you don't know who the partner is thereforwe i'm not gonna vote" is good

yes i know that isn't what you really said i'm tired of this game and having two people that basically refuse to play but tha i think are probtown i sense atsi is gonna die and flip green and we're losing f5 and etc

[Datisi]

I think marci is scummy

why is marci scummy

bonus points for not including the phrase "she's not playing"

[Datisi]

ari

why

marci did you miss this

i did not miss this

the same reasons as whatever i had last phase

hi marci can you do the thing where you actually play the game you voluntarily signed up for and tell me whether you'd be willing to vote skitter based on my arguments for her being scum

[Datisi]

imagine thinking i would be doing anything as scum here that's not braindead voting dragon/atsi/marci

what are your best reasons for thinking atsi/marci are mafia (not necessarily together)? sell me on it

also sell me on ausuka being town pls i am having mega paranoia there

[Datisi]

imagine thinking i would be doing anything as scum here that's not braindead voting dragon/atsi/marci

why?

i am not very used to you making the 'i would be playing worse if i was scum' argument

i barely have any energy to post and i'm town here

with 2 lurkers doing fuck all and another person being scummy af (well, he was more scummy back then) it would be really easy to slip under the radar

contrary to popular belief i cannot powerwolf if half the game isn't playing and thus i do not try to

[Datisi]

i personally find it very hard to powerwolf when there are players that are barely reading

like i write out 2k words on why random ass townie is scum and they go "tldr?" like bruh

[Datisi]

things you are saying are logical but unfortunately that's not how my brain works

are you getting anything AI out of this conversation? if not, i'd like to cut it because i feel like we're just gonna kill the game even more with it

[Datisi]

ari, idk what to tell you

like i don't have high hopes of marci actually playing the game (no offense but. uh.) and atsi is apparently a similar player like that too

and it is kind of silly to respond with "ok but i have a polar opposite gamestate view" but. idk paired with me scumreading skitter, like, basically the entire game, and her behaviour really fitting with what i'd think scumskitt would do in a world where we have two town potato slots... like i cannot in any way look at the looming atsi lim and be like "oh yes this def flips scum"

[Datisi]

i mean i guess our differences are (1) i am worldbuilding from scumskitter (2) i am completely incapable of having any sort of direct read on marci/atsi (at least having a read that i think would be better than random)

[Datisi]

idk, not resign yourself to lolvoting there and seemingly not giving a shit about how much pain we're gonna be in d3 (yes i know you explained yourself already here no i didn't really buy it)

[Datisi]

What do u think town-me does in the world where we have two potato town slots

oh yeah, i just ctrl+f'ed your iso for "marci" since you voted her on d2

there is like, zero attempts to get anything going there. there's vague "i think marci is scummy" "i think there's a good chance marci is scum here" and "i wanna pressure there" but there's like. you write zero reasons or thoughts on her until i prompt you on it, you have asked nobody to actually vote there, it's a vague "i wanna pressure there to sort there" you're not doing ANYTHING to achieve that

it literally feels like you give zero shits about getting any sort of pressure on marci, about ASKING her about anything, you do not give a fuck who gets eliminated today because extremely likely neither you or your partner are in any kind of danger

i don't think town-skitt would be doing that!!

[Datisi]

like i heavily doubt town skitter is like "ok i'm gonna vote marci without getting anyone else to vote or talking to her or about her at all, i sure hope she magically becomes readable by herself hehe" which like, correct me if i'm wrong but i very much feel like that's been your play this gameday

[Datisi]

but it's getting a pass because your partner ain't gonna vote you because why the fuck would they lmao, and we likely have two potato town slots that ain't gonna do fucking anything (or in atsi's case, they're just gonna vote dragons without giving a shit what else is happening in the game) and it's pretty fucking demoralizing!

[Datisi]

okay

what was your thought process after voting marci and not putting out any sort of case and not asking anyone else to vote? i know the phrasing is sarcastic but this is a genuine question.

[Datisi]

i still think marci is more likely town than not but her last post is making me rapidly lose the last three molecules of giving a shit about this game that i had left

[Datisi]

i thought her "let's claim fruit" idea was sorta townie, but other than that no not really

[Datisi]

"can you explain to me why skit is scum" y'all i'm gonna start crying for real

like arguably the only game relevant contributions that i've had for this game since like start of day 2 have been calling out things from skitter that i found scummy, are you fr

[Datisi]

it's ok you weren't actually making me cry i was just being silly and goofy and hyperbolic

but like still it's quite disheartening to get that question!!

[Datisi]

i remember reading some of her posts and think that they're the type of solving that comes from town-her but i'm not 100%

[Datisi]

hype

[Datisi]

marci's post made me go reread what TL has said and i have zero (0) fucking clue what "rvs out of rvs gambit" is, and i am skeptical that marci knows either

god with like any other person in the slot and any other gamestate i would've been voting marci for that, maybe i'd be voting her like 3 years ago as well

but uhhhhhhh one of my 3 braincells is still screaming at me that this is a bad idea

[Datisi]

i was burned out of mafia i'm sorry i didn't wanna leave either ;_;

[Datisi]

cool self hammer atsi

concerning kill

ok massclaim time ig

i'm fine going first and then popcorning it if that's what we wanna do

[Datisi]

ok fine

i'm a VT, my flavour is raspberry

popcorn to skitter

pedit: lol
well you can go then

[Datisi]

does your cop action include a gun by any chance >_>

[Datisi]

i went to bed yesterday thinking how skitter + infinity roles are enough for a micro, and how just infinity's role isn't, and praying to all gods out there that someone else also claims something

anyway uh.

hi skitter. sorry for tunnelling you. (even though your play around marci/atsi really was scummy af from an objective pov.) can i make you not vote me? pls?

[Datisi]

does your cop action include a gun by any chance >_>

What did you mean by this

i was trying to find a funny way to say "are you scum claiming your kills as a cop action"

[Datisi]

(Also again the point of atsi/marci was flip one check the other and have to deal with neither unsolved in elo)

and also again from my pov it looked scummy as shit

[Datisi]

i'll need to reread since like tbh i was just preflipping you as scum in my mind and due to *waves hands* i need to stop doing that

i mean it depends on if i think the millerclaim is locktown or not. if there is a miller than the ari/dragon solves itself for me. if not then i need to actually think about the game

would ausuka lolclaim miller as scum? i mean it's possible there's like a mafia informed or something telling them about the parity cop or something. i don't think it's *impossible* but shrug

pedit: i'm working on it but i feel like you're defaulting me for ??? reasons that i feel like are at least partially fueled by me pushing you yesterday so i want you to understand why it was not scummy of me to do so

[Datisi]

uh i'm thinking
if scum is as shit at recognizing PRs as i am, then it makes sense you're alive because i was supposed to vote you today
alternatively, if they figured out you were gonna invest marci...

like. okay so uh. if the plan was to have me and you crossvote, which i guess it was, why the h*ck was marci killed. okay i was gonna say that someone is scum from it but like all of ari ausuka dragons were more townread than marci and i don't know if one of them was an obvious kill choice

like i Guess the most obvious kill choice would've been ausuka for how townread she was, but

[Datisi]

okay let's try something else. why is dragon town to you?

my current issue is that he and ausuka were like, the most loud pushers of atsi and it's kinda clear scum wanted to keep me/you bs going by killing atsi on d2

uh i guess ari did end up voting atsi too, thanks i hate it

pedit: hold on let me check something

[Datisi]

okay i don't think infinity every strongly townread ausuka so lole fuck

[Datisi]

If ausuka is scum informed abt a parity cop
And lolclaimed miller

She would be looking for someone who's reaction belied being a pr, no? This is talking abt like n1, not last night

I don't think it's common for scum to be informed about Town PR though?

Like I'm not 100% sure but I don't think I saw that in any of the games I played so far.

i love putting mafia informeds into my game so that's usually the first thing my mind goes to when i'm thinking what power scum could have

I'm not 100% sure I follow your reasoning here but I think you mean to say that if scum guessed Skitter was cop then they would've acted and killed a TR'd person? Idk how this helps us figure anything out though.

no, i'm just musing who would've scum killed if they hadn't figured out skitt was cop

if they did, then i am really not sure why she's alive. like yes sure i'm tunnelling her, but i think no matter who's scum, there's at least one person on the team that KNOWS that i won't think skitter's scum anymore if mechanics heavily point away from her. which they do, considering just infinity's role isn't enough to balance a 7v2. so it's like. if they figured out skitter is cop, why the fuck would they ever leave her alive??? marci wasn't a dayplay threat

so i'm kinda like. ok let's assume then that scum didn't figure out skitter is cop. then uh... i guess it follows ausuka is town, because if she were scum surely she'd have figured out skitter is a PR based on her reactions to her claim?!??!

i don't fucking know i hate everything i'll wait to see what ari and ausuka say

[Datisi]

like. if we assume that scum knew skitter is a power role. the only reason to leave her alive is because you think i will keep being a dumbass and vote her

BUT at least someone on the scumteam will know that i won't do that if skitt's the only PR claim

so that removes the only reason scum had to leave skitt alive. THEREFORE they mustve not known she was cop

am i taking crazy pills or is this something that makes sense

[Datisi]

yes it is

i'm mostly working out trying to see if there's a way for ausuka to be scum. because if there isn't, then i get to turn my brain off and spampost "ari/dragons" until the game is over

[Datisi]

im town :3

[Datisi]

sorry about that, got a big exam tomorrow and this game is not very kind on the brainpower

has there been any movement since last time i posted? anyone got any questions for me? i'll read properly once i'm back home tomorrow but i'll prob be awake for the next 20 minutes so i can take a look at something if someone wants

[Datisi]

*pops in* hello sorry irl is being a bitch (not busy-wise this time i'm just big depresso i failed my exam lmfao)

if skitter still feels good about ausuka then i'm fine voting dragon. i mean i was planning to just be skitter's doublevoter today anyway because something something mafia theory conftown in yeetlo but like.

i will maybe actually try to do things tomorrow but also maybe not because i don't know what rereading is actually going to do

[Datisi]

i don't do anti-spew i'm just tired

[Datisi]

i am 99.99% sure scum has fruit fakeclaims and this is amtitown but i don't care enough to argue

also this

ig i don't see why it's anti-town or why it would out prs (what ari said)

i'm pretty sure i explained at some point, but like. since i thought scum MUST have fakeclaims (because otherwise cakez is a cruel mod), i know we won't catch scum by them claiming a fruit someone else counterclaims. and they'd probably have some sorta idea by that point in the game what they'd want to claim as their flavour. therefore, we don't get anytihng positive from it

and there is a possibility that scum has some sorta info about types of fruits and what they do, or how they relate to roles people have, or SOMETHING, that would give them an advantage if town were to massclaim

but that possibility and the advantage they would get from town doing that was small enough that i didn't feel like actually arguing about it

[Datisi]

Ok
What eo u think of my ausuka/ari solve

i'm mostly pretty confused about it. like i'm confused on how you came to that solve. now obviously you don't need to explain yourself to me as it's not a matter of whether your mindset is townie, but i'm not following why i should think it's correct

like, ok you're saying dragons is town, sure

and yes, ausuka and ari had the townread miller thing sure

like i'm ??? on how you went from townreading ausuka for miller to thinking she's in a solve, and since i feel like i'm missing something there i can't give my proper opinion

like if i missed a post of yours or something pls point me to it

[Datisi]

if instead you're asking me "do you independently think ari and ausuka are scum", the answer is uhhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i've been getting scumpings from dragons again for his acting towards me in yeetlo, i guess. like he's inching towards voting me but is ??? about it. but i was townreading him on like d2 for something so it feels wack to just throw that away.

but something about his posting today, like take this post

Like I'm more leaning Datisi/Ari because Ausuka's recent posting has been townier and Datisi's has been less towny, but I am definitely not SURE about it.

Ugh, I'll look at Datisi's ISO tonight and then we'll see what happens.

like this post feels so weird to me. it's just. idk. he has been thinking it's me/ari ever since 1120, at least (i'm not looking back more i cfb) and he especially says ausuka is townie. but ausuka just made that big post about the team being dragon/me, and dragon definitely did see it because he acknowledged it, but the fact that there isn't any... urgency? thought? to talk to ausuka about it? like he posts 1168 but i don't feel... emotion from it? like i don't get the vibe he's trying to convince her that he's town?

it's like i get the vibe he's content with the vote that's going to happen and he's fine just letting it happen

he doesn't seem afraid of ausuka, who if she's town like he think she is will be a massive problem because she's more sure that he's scum than she is me and ari so kinda naturally she'd vote him right? but it's almost like he KNOWS she won't vote him???

like idk am i going insane if this is ausuka/dragon lol lmao kill me but

the post itself is strange enough and gives me bad enough vibes that idk if i can just say dragon is town

[Datisi]

feel better soon skitt <3 mafia is difficult don't beat yourself up over it

[Datisi]

i see i'm being talked about

i am heavily brain empty but i am around if someone for some reason has anything to ask me ok cool

[Datisi]

god i fucking wish i could play this shitty as scum and still get townread for it on purpose, that game ari linked made me wanna commit war crimes

anyway uh skitt i'm sorry i wish i knew

i *guess* tentatively it's ausuka/dragon because i have a faint glimmer of hope that i noticed *something* back there, but like

do i have anything concrete to townread ari on? other than my own wish she's town, no. she is pretty different than the recent scumgame she had with me on MU, but i know she's a good player and this is far from outside her abilities.

it's just, ugh this is what i was afraid of on d2. when everyone was fine voting in atsi and marci. i KNEW i will have no way of knowing who was scum pushing bullshit and who was town not bothering to see it and it's difficult to tell those two apart and we now know nothing! or rather, i know nothing. idk.

[Datisi]

i guess it's hypocritical of me to shit on dragons for not caring about ausuka possibly voting him when it was looking likely i was getting voted today for a while and i never actually like, cared about it that much

ari and ausuka, assuming miller fakeclaim, would have probably noticed that you're a cop or copesque role, right

would it really be impossible for them to deduce that you're going to investigate marci? technically speaking it's suboptimal play, but scumtisi did shoot a cop's invest rather than the cop going into f5 before, it's not impossible

i hate everything

[Datisi]

while i understand it, i give you full permission to dump the entire blame of the loss on me because heaven knows i did not help

[Datisi]

i say "i left a cop alive going into f5 back in 2019" as if i hadn't left a known cop alive going into f8 in team mafia

anyway, yeah it makes sense why nobody was like, concerned about you or backing up my scumread on you. they didn't really have to.

i mean, i still think it doesn't make *perfect* sense because surely they know i don't vote you after you're the only PR claim, but maybe they think you vote me... nothing makes *perfect* sense anyway so.

[Datisi]

i was just gonna wait to see if there's a hammer

tbf i did miss the window skitt was voting ausuka so

[Datisi]

i'm drawing gay shit currently sorry i'm not here constantly

[Datisi]

i was playing DBD 2 days ago and i came back to the locked thread, i saw the way the hammer was done and i was like "oh okay. well at least it's over"

and then cakez posted the red flip and like, on one hand yay we didn't lose yet but you're telling me i need to fuckign uhhh, play more mafia?

i Might have more willpower to do things now that we have a red flip. at the very least i'll reread d3 because i assume it will be Telling. maybe. lmao

[Datisi]

Also Datisi can you please explain this post?

i went to bed yesterday thinking how skitter + infinity roles are enough for a micro, and how just infinity's role isn't,

and praying to all gods out there that someone else also claims something

anyway uh.

hi skitter. sorry for tunnelling you. (even though your play around marci/atsi really was scummy af from an objective pov.) can i make you not vote me? pls?

Like I could

kinda

see how you could say this as town but it also sounds like you were hoping Skitter wasn't conftown which is just "huh?"

i think it's pretty understandable why, from my town-pov and from my at-the-time reads of the game, it would be pretty shitty if skitter is conftown.

first, it would mean that my read on the game has been completely borked even more than i thought, AND that town-skitter is semi-likely to vote me yesterday. i didn't really care about scum-skitt voting me because, lmao, but town-skitt voting me at yeetlo is kind of problematic, you feel?

is there a reason why you bring this up today? as opposed to yesterday? a reason that's more interesting than "i didn't play much yesterday i didn't see it" or whatever

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you are 100% right that i was trying to align with skitter so i don't get voted by her

the town motivation for that action is left as an exercise to the reader

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sorry, i've been in absolute hell the past few days with uni. uh, i'm somewhat ~more likely to sheep skitter's thoughts from yesterday. but like. i'll try to figure it out. The Hell i'm currently going through should be over before the day's deadline. should.

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oh thank god this is over.

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was i getting to dragons? probably not no. ok gg

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no. some would consider it bad sportsmanship (slowballing a game you've already won), but all it takes is hammering one secret vengeful for you to get burned into slowballing for eternity. speaking from experience.

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ngl i would've been really annoyed with you if you'd done that

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gg sorry i was bad