Open 885: Backup6 [Game Over]

[Black]

Well iamveryhappy? What's it going to be?

Why the fuck do I have to decide it
GUHHHHH I hate these moments

What are you thinking champ?

iamveryhappy, do you scumread either of the players at e-1?

If Dunn flips scum I want to say iavh is probably spewed town. I don't think those two players plan this theater out in the PT with Dunn asking iavh this over and over again only to get ignored

[Black]

technically it was my 2nd solve

Oh wow you're not lying lol. Impressive if correct tbh

[Dunnstral]

The posts in 750 are me trying to pry info out of IAVH as they were being very cagey and not giving anything to work with, and they were a played I needed to consider as well.


I believe that IAVH is lying in post 694 and I think that makes them mafia.

[iamveryhappy]

I don’t lie
I only speak the truth

[Dannflor]

It looks to me that you got wagoned without much of a reason.

i feel like this isn't true?

dunnstral were you trying to pocket me??

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Dannflor

Oh it's a kitty. I guess I can give her a chance to do something with the slot. VOTE: Dannflor

Why do you think I'm town? I wouldn't say I'm playing much like our previous game.

ok i have a question for everyone here

when you roll scum, on average, how guilty is your conscience

I think I'd have to be able to roll scum more than once within memory to have an 'average'. :? But yeah, to belabor the point, it was more 'cunning glee' than 'guilt' for the most part. Which I now try to attain as town with ridiculous sneaky plans when opportunities arise. :shifty:

VOTE: dannflor

i can do this but only because abnegation wants me to....

alright, i think i'm fine with doing this now.

VOTE: dannflor

e-1.

i could probably be sold on dunn or iavh, but currently my feeling towards those slots is more like "well, i don't

not

want to vote there."
also quite liking the wagon composition on dann.

These were the votes on your slot. Regardless of what you "feel" it seems pretty clear that you were run up to e-1 without much of an explanation.

[Dannflor]

i think black is town
i think aureal is town
i think generic/abnegation is town

i think dannflor is scum

i don't always get all of dannflor's pushes and i'm trying to keep that in mind, but 124 feels almost comically exaggerated for such an early read. it feels less like genuine sorting and more like trying to bury black beneath a wall of text that people's eyes will glaze over and think "ok town lol"

if i have to pick things in particular i don't like about it, the vote thing seems really nitpicky - i really doubt timing of votes is alignment indicative in any way. dannflor later says to aureal "I don't scum read Black because "town Black should've thought about things better" but this is literally exactly what he is doing here - black didn't think to vote in the post where she originally scumreads ccg, and because of that she's scum because town would think to vote. and the idea that black pushing back against people who scumread her is scummy - this is a thing which like happens all the time, people push back against pushes on them they don't like. black in particular does it all the time. for an example from a game i finished yesterday, she pushes back on skitter's read here - i'm too lazy to get more but like it's a pattern of behaviour and not one that's exclusive to black. it feels like dannflor here is pushing back on things which are 'scummy' rather than things which are, like, actually scum indicative. also, he says "I "conveniently hopped on the wagon built by others"? Okay. What does this actually mean about my alignment? What makes it convenient that I joined a pre-existing wagon? Why would a town player not do this?". i don't think this is a genuine thought from dann - if he disagrees it's scummy he still

knows

people scumread opportunism, and don't like it when they feel like they're being piled on.

just in general i think it's kind of purposeful that he's creating these stretchy reasons to push black, and reads are never actually this strong this early in any case - this is page 5. the most likely reason for 124 that comes to my mind is - i might have already brought this up, but people townread cases and long posts. by just focusing on quantity in his push it's pretty easy for dannflor to get townread and seen as a 'solvey player' - this is the kind of read scum does make a lot but town also does it a lot

i also think there are several dannflor posts that just feel... kind of overly convenient for him. like when if black is town scum definitely aren't pushing her! or because of the claims we have to eliminate the person dannflor is pushing or someone who is probably the towniest player in the entire game.

i also think stuff like, black saying she's ok to die is stuff scum do all the time but town also do all the time. dannflor literally just saw me do this as town. like, to be fair, he also pushed it there, but i feel like town dann might thing something along the lines of "maybe town get a bit frustrated when they get pushed and sometimes say they are okay with dying"

i don't want to tunnel here but this is my starting point

VOTE: dannflor

pedit: i guess that's interesting. it was the first thing that stood out to me when reading through because like i have never felt any guilt at all when rolling scum ever. i know it's difficult to explain emotions but could you like, idk, elaborate on that guilt?

did you not read this post

[Dunnstral]

I posted 409 which responded to post 349. Six minutes later, I posted 410 which responded to 393. That post had a notification for me, because you quoted something that I had said. Clicking that notification also takes you to the post in question. So I went from post 349 to post 393. The post you quoted is 351, and is on a different page from either of those posts.

So look, clearly I couldn't have read that post in six minutes, not to mention all the posts in between. The six minutes was spent on post 410, mainly figuring out what you were accusing me of.

As of my post 510 which you criticize above, the most recent vote count at the time is 487. In the votecount, you can click on post links to go to where the votes were placed. The posts linked are the same posts I linked above; and indeed, there seems to be very little conversation about why you should be the elimination in those posts.

[camelCasedSnivy]

where im at rn i really wanna lim dunnstral now but i might compromise on dannflor

i dont wanna vote iavh but i think the people who arent voting (i think just abnegation and aureal) should commit to some wagon

[T3]

camel's defense of IAVH is bad

[camelCasedSnivy]

camel's defense of IAVH is bad

no its not

[iamveryhappy]

camel's defense of IAVH is bad

no it’s not

[Abnegation]

does t3 want to say anything about it

was this a hint that you saw the soft?

[Dannflor]

I posted 409 which responded to post 349. Six minutes later, I posted 410 which responded to 393. That post had a notification for me, because you quoted something that I had said. Clicking that notification also takes you to the post in question. So I went from post 349 to post 393. The post you quoted is 351, and is on a different page from either of those posts.

So look, clearly I couldn't have read that post in six minutes, not to mention all the posts in between. The six minutes was spent on post 410, mainly figuring out what you were accusing me of.

As of my post 510 which you criticize above, the most recent vote count at the time is 487. In the votecount, you can click on post links to go to where the votes were placed. The posts linked are the same posts I linked above; and indeed, there seems to be very little conversation about why you should be the elimination in those posts.

you coulda just said you didn't see the post my guy

[Abnegation]

the entire t3/dunn/iavh/snivy block is very "meh" to me.

What's wrong with Snivy?

nothing’s

wrong

with snivy, my reaction to him is just “meh.” meh is basically “nullread i would vote.” “nullread i don’t want to vote” is also a thing but i haven’t had anyone in that category.
actually maybe iavh but i need to finish catching up.

[Abnegation]

ofc I wouldn't want to fade T3
I caught onto that soft and by the time I was available to hammer the CW I can't tell between Dann and Dunn I'm dumm kek
great I love being a wagoned

I find this hard to believe. I think you would have acted against Dannflor if you had really seen T3 soft Doctor early. Being confused by names doesn't really make sense; again, you had several days to decide on something.

hmm yeah this is fair.

[Abnegation]

ahhhh idk if i like this iavh wagon. i'm having paranoid thoughts.

paranoid thoughts about who or what specifically, abnegation

idk, maybe iavh felt too easy?
it was a side remark, not something to take too seriously.

[Abnegation]

@meow - i’ll answer your question when i get home, don’t think i have the time right this second.

[meowmeow]

I posted 409 which responded to post 349. Six minutes later, I posted 410 which responded to 393. That post had a notification for me, because you quoted something that I had said. Clicking that notification also takes you to the post in question. So I went from post 349 to post 393. The post you quoted is 351, and is on a different page from either of those posts.

So look, clearly I couldn't have read that post in six minutes, not to mention all the posts in between. The six minutes was spent on post 410, mainly figuring out what you were accusing me of.

As of my post 510 which you criticize above, the most recent vote count at the time is 487. In the votecount, you can click on post links to go to where the votes were placed. The posts linked are the same posts I linked above; and indeed, there seems to be very little conversation about why you should be the elimination in those posts.

ok but did you not like... read that part of the thread at all

[meowmeow]

i wanted to let dunn cook because if he's town i don't think pressuring him is especially likely to help compared to just letting him do his thing and eventually make insightful posts but honestly i think he is just kind of obviously scum at this point. there has not been a single good dunnstral post in this entire game. none of his posting feels at all like he actually cares about finding the mafia, it's all incredibly flat, and his posting about me on this page just underlines that in thick red pen - it really feels like when dannflor was asking about dunn's opinon on him, he just gave an empty answer to make dann shut up (i don't particularly think they are partnered here before anyone asks)

VOTE: dunnstral

[iamveryhappy]

does t3 want to say anything about it

was this a hint that you saw the soft?

oui oui

[meowmeow]

like the way he tries to turn this into "oh actually there were only six minutes blah blah" when it is super obvious that he never actually read anything i posted about dann based on 755 feels just incredibly slimy

i don't think town!dunn is particularly limbaity either

[iamveryhappy]

also why would I hammer when I know I'm basically kingmade in that situation, we could easily squeeze a few days of discussion in there
@Dunn I don't like ur logic

[meowmeow]

uh that's e1 actually beware etc

[meowmeow]

Well iamveryhappy? What's it going to be?

Why the fuck do I have to decide it
GUHHHHH I hate these moments

What are you thinking champ?

iamveryhappy, do you scumread either of the players at e-1?

If Dunn flips scum I want to say iavh is probably spewed town. I don't think those two players plan this theater out in the PT with Dunn asking iavh this over and over again only to get ignored

i agree w/ this

i think in general dunnstral's posting is careless in a way that doesn't feel like he's partnered with anyone who has seen much heat so far

in particular i think dunnstral and dann are partnered like never especially because of dunn's posting about dann's case on black

i think dunn's posting w/ camelcasedsnivy is actually fairly likely to be partnered? abnegation and aureal, while not as scummy to me generally, make some sense as hypothetical dunn partners too