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[DragonEater70]

Did Gimli claim?

[DragonEater70]

Too lazy to check if Gimli claimed so I'll just pit this down:

intent to hammer

[Aneninen]

I hope I can catch up in the evening.

[Black]

I know this is lame af but I'm trying to get more sleep these days so I will answer you tomorrow, Black.

Sorry.

So this is just not happening then?

[Gimli]

Im vt

[Gimli]

I think its kittie and one of black/de

hammer away <3

[Gimli]

maybe let pigeon catch up before ending d1 but definitely flip me to avoid making other hardclaims and having scum POE down the PRs, etc.

[Gimli]

[DragonEater70]

I know this is lame af but I'm trying to get more sleep these days so I will answer you tomorrow, Black.

Sorry.

So this is just not happening then?

I literally said I would answer this later today, like 2 posts above.

[DragonEater70]

I think its kittie and one of black/de

hammer away <3

Will you wagon Black with me then?

[Black]

I know this is lame af but I'm trying to get more sleep these days so I will answer you tomorrow, Black.

Sorry.

So this is just not happening then?

I literally said I would answer this later today, like 2 posts above.

And then you declared intent to hammer. Hopefully you understand why it seemed like you were going to end the day without responding

[Black]

I think its kittie and one of black/de

hammer away <3

Will you wagon Black with me then?

So you got the claim out of Gimli and now you want to get one out of me?

I don't think this flips town

[Gimli]

I think its kittie and one of black/de

hammer away <3

Will you wagon Black with me then?

I think wagoning other people isn't smart and I won't get nked now anyway and will have to be resolved later. I don't have a great scumread to push through anyway

You can just flip me and play d2

[DragonEater70]

So you got the claim out of Gimli and now you want to get one out of me?

LOL

I knew you'd say that


IDC about claims, I think Gimli's Grim Reaper meme was convincing, and I also realized I can see town!him sussing me because tbh I have not been playing in full tryhard mode like I normally do. Or more precisely I started in tryhard mode and then moved off into crazy shenanigans mode which I don't think GImli is familiar with.

Anyhow, I just feel like you flip red much more frequently than Gimli sooooooooo

[DragonEater70]

Okay time to find instances of Black shutting down convo

[DragonEater70]

Okay time to find instances of Black shutting down convo

Hmm okay first of all I admit that there were several instances of Black not really contributing that I had previously considered "shutting down convo" but should be reclassified as "active lurking". For example, this entire section of her ISO:

Spoiler:

Python you wanted to generate content by jumping on wagons, didn't you? Let's do this.

VOTE: black

NOTE: DO NOT HAMMER BLACK OR YOU WILL BE POLICY LIMMED

This note feels weird. I'm at e-4...

UNVOTE:

I'm having a rough day so I'm not sure how much I'll be able to post but I don't want anyone to hammer before I can catch up

Ok I am here today. Let me make some coffee and then I'll look over what I missed

*camera pans to Black still laying in bed*

Alright alright I'll get up. I lost my job yesterday so I'm just slightly depressed

And I admit that this might've been due to real life things so it's probably NAI.
Anyway the other times I thought she was shutting down convos/wagons:

Spoiler: example 1

My problem is that my traditional scum-hunting route is to ignore day 1, which is usually fluff, and wait for an elim, which in my mafia world usually was within the first 48 hours. Once that happened and then a night 1 death went through or didn't, I would start to analyze how people talked to each other, how they voted and most importantly when, and in what order. I'd look to find where the scum were hidden in voting patterns etc.

But this game so far, I don't see how I can really provide a read yet, because everything that everyone is saying is completely plausible as both town and scum, if they are good players. A good player can EASILY be scum and post pro-townie, ESPECIALLY on day 1. So when you guys are asking me for my thoguhts, I have none because I've got NOTHING that feels truly scummy to point to. Any of the posts made in this game up to now could easily be either alignment.

Meh. I like this post and I agree with a lot of what is being said here. I think I'm ok letting Timmer cook D2

UNVOTE:

Spoiler: example 2

I actually agree with this somewhat.

This isn't always the case

but I think scum are way more likely to have unoriginal thoughts and votes

Is it the case with me?

I think you are asking me for a meta read on you here and I don't really have one

Spoiler: example 3

Right after I made my case on Comet:

Comet is town

Also like saying "Black locktown confirmed" and then putting her number 3 in your reads is ???

I don't want to speak for Comet but I'm 99% sure that was a joke

Meh this is a lot weaker than I remembered.

UNVOTE:

[DragonEater70]

Black if you think that I should have issues with people townreading you, why don't you have issues with them yourself? Do you think the townreads on you are pure?
Because I still think you are actively lurking and not contributing and honestly Python is right that this is scum indicative.

[usesPython]

Too lazy to check if Gimli claimed so I'll just pit this down:

intent to hammer

Im vt

I think its kittie and one of black/de

hammer away <3

Will you wagon Black with me then?

If you're not gonna hammer on a VT claim then it's not intent to hammer

[usesPython]

Black if you think that I should have issues with people townreading you, why don't you have issues with them yourself? Do you think the townreads on you are pure?
Because I still think you are actively lurking and not contributing and honestly Python is right that this is scum indicative.

1. We never said Black was active lurking this game?
2. If you think someone is scum and they're getting townread a lot then yeah that should be dropping ???'s in your noggin

[usesPython]

DE I kinda think you're tunnelling on Black and that her alignment is independent of your case here, can you leave her for later when we have more flips to work with?

[usesPython]

Like I don't think the DE/Black fight is productive and it feels decently OMGUS fuelled

[Kittiesecret]

Ok I realise I am a little behind the game, and we are already at a possibility of a hammer. but if anyone wants, here are my thoughts.

If Gimli is scum or not (I see he is claiming town) he's not playing the game or even really trying to contribute in any useful way... *shurg*

Unread post Post #678 (ISO) » Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:56 am

I have nothing to respond to since I am indeed playing like ass

wrt black's scumread on me, I think it makes sense cause I'm not playing anywhere near her expectations. but its just rl taking over and I can't really focus or care enough about the game, but I can still play.

I still think black is likely town anyway

I think kittiesecret might be scum?

@Gimli I'm pretty sure I am the most universally town voted player in the game currently... that the only 2 players accusing scum are you and afrayed (correct me if I am wrong).

Your pushing this point a little too hard for someone who's supposed to be town. It doesn't look like anyone is buying what your selling.

UNVOTE:

I’m sorry, but does no one else see what I see. Black, Timmer and either VIP or Gimli?

That’s my scum, now.

VOTE: Timmer

Tim Tim Tim, you aren’t reading are you. Not once have you countered anything I have said about you. And, I’m not sat here all day looking at the thread. But I do sit on occasion and think through what I’m seeing and reading. And right now it’s the only thing I’m seeing

there have been plenty of cases and questions asked of you that you haven't bothered to answer or address... just sayin'

In post 678, Gimli wrote:
I have nothing to respond to since I am indeed playing like ass
wrt black's scumread on me, I think it makes sense cause I'm not playing anywhere near her expectations. but its just rl taking over and I can't really focus or care enough about the game, but I can still play.
I still think black is likely town anyway
I think kittiesecret might be scum?
I so dislike this!
Especially since Black has never actually voted you!
Why does this feel like a scum going down?

I second this feeling!

my vote stays on Gimli

[Cometbright]

My vote on Back was a genuine failed attempt to lure a hammer onto Gimli and prove my point that Black and Tim are the scum team. which I still maintain.

I'm not sure I understand the plan here. You voted Black to try and get Black to hammer Gimli? How would that prove that Black/Timmer scumteam? They would have both been on the wagon but that wouldn't really prove anything.

[Cometbright]

I don't find the Black case particularly strong.

I'm in another confliction spot cause why wouldn't scum!Dragon just hammer there? I'm pretty sure he's the second or at least third potential wagon behind Gimli so you'd think he'd just hammer there especially with a VT claim rather than back off and look for a new wagon.

[Cometbright]

I think Gimli is town. Though I'm also not sure if we keep pushing for E-1's and role claims at this point. If not Gimli then who is the other execute candidate? I've got Knott and Dragon in my limpool.