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[TheHoldSteady]

Black Star is probably town

[SmileyDude1]

Get good vibes from them. Have mind-melded in multiple instances (105,209)

I vibe with stuff like 37, 102, 199-200 as posts which contribute to the game state

[SmileyDude1]

That was a response to 274 btw (caught a new page)

[OutWorldER]

VOTE: Enchant

VOTE: TheHoldSteady

VOTE: Enchant

That's a weird vote after you make a pretty convincing case on Ani.

I just want to drag this slot out of the burrows a little more.

I feel like Enchant becomes easier to read the more they talk so I'm alright voting them a bit to get them going.

This series of events doesn't really endear me to Enchant's slot right now. Obviously 260 and 261 happen after Enchant OMGUS votes THS but I feel like Enchant would at least be aware of how their slot is perceived at the time THS votes them and simply refusing to provide AI content feels purposefully obstinate at this point rather than just introductory trolling.

[OutWorldER]

I do feel like Wiz is the best wagon right now simply because 245 sent off a lot of alarm bells in my head and I think it'd be easier to solve people who are on a Wiz wagon than on a Hu Tao wagon.

[OutWorldER]

Speaking of wagons can we get a VC? Votes have shifted quite a bit since the last one.

[Wartortle]

Spoiler:

So, what else? Outworlder scum for continuing to push this narrative even when there's new evidence to work against it?

this does not make sense.

in 32 OWER calls dragon scum for self-consciousness

in 33, python says that's normal for town dragon

in 34, OWER can't find town dragon doing something similarly self-conscious

then, THS says that OWER is scum because OWER in 34 would have dropped his bad line of reasoning instead of elaborating and looking at dragon's past game

this is a bad argument.

i do not find python's evidence in 33 convincing enough to make OWER's 34 seem idiotic or scummy, and i do not like how THS tries to frame 33 as completely convincingly refuting OWER's case on dragon.

THS seems suspicious indeed

Like this just gives off bad vibes, feels like she wants to push THS without calling wartle town

why would ths being scum necessitate me being town? why would naerys be expected to call me town there?

I mean if someones making cases you agree with that should make them townier in your eyes, I think the vibe feels off more because she avoids saying anything about you here

yeah i do not get the same feeling as u

[AnimatedWiz]

Uh, two thoughts :

1) I really didn’t know OWER was trying to ask Naerys specifically on why she changed her vote and such, which is why I shared my theory on that—wasn’t trying to speak for her .

I also see what you mean about the two-pronged theory not being super helpful—I think in trying to be accurate (and therefore covering all the possibilities I could see), I lost most of the decisiveness of just presenting the possibility I thought most applicable. I appreciate you pointing that fact out for me—I’ll have to try to be more narrow with my theories in the future so they can have more… oomph.

2) I’m definitely playing different from my first town game, which I think is a good thing—in that game, I spent a lot of time taking arguments very personally and thinking people were out to get me when they pressured me (you can read my PT there to see this), and over the course of that game I realized that I needed to chill. The point of that PT was to document my thoughts then so I could learn from that game and play better now.

So yeah, I’m less, uh, fiery and direct this time around, but I’m also enjoying this game way more because I know a lot more strategy and how to not freak my anxiety out needlessly. I think we’d all probably be bad players if we didn’t grow beyond our first games, y’know?

[Enchant]

Me? Trolling?

I don't understand what this word means!
I just trying to help catch criminals, to not look bad i mean to free town from corruption, because i am town aligned!

[OutWorldER]

Uh, two thoughts :

1) I really didn’t know OWER was trying to ask Naerys specifically on why she changed her vote and such, which is why I shared my theory on that—wasn’t trying to speak for her .

I also see what you mean about the two-pronged theory not being super helpful—I think in trying to be accurate (and therefore covering all the possibilities I could see), I lost most of the decisiveness of just presenting the possibility I thought most applicable. I appreciate you pointing that fact out for me—I’ll have to try to be more narrow with my theories in the future so they can have more… oomph.

Okay, none of what you're saying here is dissuading my vote on you because you're still dancing around the problem. You presented two theories, one of which implies Naerys Town and the other implies Naerys Scum, and then left it there without saying which you even believe in. It would be different if you stated a concrete read or even a lean on Naerys beforehand but in the absence of that it just looks like you're setting yourself up to see which way the wind blows on Naerys and shading her at the same time. That's what's ringing my scum alarm bells.

[AnimatedWiz]

b) She saw that I was townreading her earlier in 160 and is hoping to get a pocket on me by sheeping my reads.

I think that this would make the most sense out of the two options if we take 199 as a correct observation.

This is the theory I was presenting as the one I believe in, and here’s where I say that. I am scumreading Naerys.

[AnimatedWiz]

I am not trying to dance around your questions, but I

am

having a really hard time picking up on when you’re trying to ask for stuff, unfortunately.

[OutWorldER]

"If we take 199 as a correct observation" is incredibly flip-floppy language to use to present a scum-read. Again, it feels like you set yourself up to opportunistically back out of any position that could be unfavorable to you. What is your SR on Naerys built on besides just sheeping Python's read from page 8?

[Dannflor]

VC 1.3

Bad Moon Rising

Hu Tao [3] :

usesPython, AnimatedWizard, DragonEater70

usesPython [2] :

heipizhu4, Wartortle

TheHoldSteady [2] :

Naerys, Enchant

AnimatedWizard [2] :

OutWorldER, Hu Tao

DragonEater70 [1] :

Afrayed Knott

SmileyDude1 [1] :

BlackStar

Enchant [1] :

TheHoldSteady

Naerys [1] :

SmileyDude1

Not Voting: [0]

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-11-05 20:11:20).

Mod Notes:

Enchant replaces blackbear.

[AnimatedWiz]

Sheeping my read, as well as the rest of that scumlist where I discovered it—seeing that post set off alarm bells in my head, just like how my post did for you. I was shocked that I was the top townread when we hadn’t really interacted at all beforehand, and the dig against you for being inactive felt like it was being set up for later use as an excuse to turn on you.


Also, I earlier (136) said that I generally am willing to trust Python—it’s hard to back out of the pocket theory if I’ve previously said that, at least not without a Python scumflip or something.

[AnimatedWiz]

If I could ask you, OWER, what are your reads right now?

[OutWorldER]

I'm not sure if I'm reading that post right, where did Naerys sheep you and why does it imply scum!Naerys? And tbh Naerys dig for me being inactive was deserved because I genuinely wasn't posting at a good volume beforehand because of work.

If I could ask you, OWER, what are your reads right now?

DE, THS, Wartortle <-- Townreads
Smiley <-- Townlean
Naerys, Python <-- Null
Enchant <-- Scumlean
You, Hu Tao <-- Scumreads

[AnimatedWiz]

My whole theory was about how I thought Naerys was sheeping me in an attempt to pocket me, and I included post links and everything—this is not meant to be mean, but did you forget?

Also, what is your read on BlackStar specifically?

[OutWorldER]

Okay I did misread that post really badly, that's my bad.
Why does Naerys sheeping your read mean she's pocketing you? If she were trying to pocket you don't you think she'd be trying to reach out to you a little more? You and her have barely interacted, I'm not seeing the logic here.

I literally forgot BlackStar was in this game lol. I'd probably put him in null just for that.

[DragonEater70]

Embarrassing, but I I feel asleep while writing a post where I voted Wiz.

Let me quickly catch up on the last few posts.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Do something interesting

-A

I literally just asked everyone's scum read. This feels fake to me

Your ISO was just a "hi" and a "who's everyone scumreading", literally negative info on your slot

Why not answer the question and ask me back to get more out of me?

[usesPython]

Why not answer the question and ask me back to get more out of me?

Sounds boring, I'll pass

[AnimatedWiz]

I agree we haven’t had much direct interaction, but I think that fact supports my theory instead of weakening it—it’s weird to have me as a top townread and sheep my reads when we’ve not interacted aside from me saying that I want to trust her once.

I think all of that was part of subtle attempt at making me want to further trust her over time without having any easy, quotable evidence like directly saying she trusts me or likes me or something. It’s quite natural to trust people who have similar reads, especially if other people are against those reads, right—that’s the way I think she was trying to pocket me.

Plus, out of everyone in the town, I was probably the best candidate for her to try that on, since I’m new, already reading her favorably, and have reads that other people are against.

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Enchant

That's a weird vote after you make a pretty convincing case on Ani.

You've gone back and forth through this thread on whether you think I'm town or scum without making as firm a stance as everyone else and honestly, with this post it makes me worried you're still fence-sitting while also nudging me in a dour direction towards voting Wiz.

Yeah as I said I was just about to make a post voting wiz right after this one and then fell asleep.

[DragonEater70]

Anyway I should probably continue sleeping and vote in the morning