Open 889 | Secrets of the Anuket Topaz | fin.

[Andresvmb]

I’ll finish my reading today, and make some final reads. I don’t feel all that compelled to argue specifically with Prism. I think they’re Scum and just want to crowd me out. I could be wrong, but it doesn’t matter. I don’t think they should be the vote anyway because I don’t think it’s feasible in the least, and it would be a waste of time.

I will try and reconcile my reads with the post about gob’s Towniness - certainly I don’t think I’m above reconsidering even if I would be suspicious of the source. But like I’ve said multiple times now, I’m trying to read everything in order and that defense is a more recent development.

[Andresvmb]

Reread page 83 and 84. There is a VC on 83 you can look at to get the state. Look at where the votes are moving

I probably wont reread

Like this is an outrageous reaction, but I don’t see much reevaluation happening from Prism here. I am strongly against an imaginality execution precisely because of the context jjh also pointed out (that I highlighted in a previous post), but gob clearly has an agenda and no set of facts or additional critical thinking is going to change that. Which is blatantly Scummy. But whatever, let’s pretend that executing me wins the game so we can all feel better about ourselves.

[Ydrasse]

i don’t feel great about this vote but there are few i think i could feel great about atp

Can you explain why you’re voting for me beyond just I’m going to vote with my TRs? Because it seems to me like this is basically going to define whether we win or lose, and you seem to really not care.

when i’m home i’ll outline it more but the gist is that i read through some isos and i’m struggling to figure out who wolf is and i don’t feel like there’s a lot of reasons for me to think you’re town other than your recent posting but even that is… a lot of emotional influence on me than it is a reason that you aren’t paired with camel

[Prism]

Andres is asserting I have any scum incentive at all to flip this off of T3.

I literally win the game by letting that go through and waiting to do this until tomorrow unless my partner is exactly T3.

Weird that I'm so impatient to get Andres today and not tomorrow. Really bizarre.

[Andresvmb]

@T3 I will vote you purely as self-preservation, but I would rather not. The fact of the matter is that I know I’m Town, and though I think you are too from what I’ve gathered, I’m not certain.

[Andresvmb]

i don’t feel great about this vote but there are few i think i could feel great about atp

Can you explain why you’re voting for me beyond just I’m going to vote with my TRs? Because it seems to me like this is basically going to define whether we win or lose, and you seem to really not care.

when i’m home i’ll outline it more but the gist is that i read through some isos and i’m struggling to figure out who wolf is and i don’t feel like there’s a lot of reasons for me to think you’re town other than your recent posting but even that is… a lot of emotional influence on me than it is a reason that you aren’t paired with camel

So you don’t think the voting by a few players of both Town players or some blatant defenses of escaped Scum are worse than my inactivity? I mean that’s baffling. But okay.

[gob]

Absolutely nobody hammer until i am home at least

[Prism]

As a bonus he doesn't think my partner is T3.

[gob]

Reread page 83 and 84. There is a VC on 83 you can look at to get the state. Look at where the votes are moving

I probably wont reread

Like this is an outrageous reaction, but I don’t see much reevaluation happening from Prism here. I am strongly against an imaginality execution precisely because of the context jjh also pointed out (that I highlighted in a previous post), but gob clearly has an agenda and no set of facts or additional critical thinking is going to change that. Which is blatantly Scummy. But whatever, let’s pretend that executing me wins the game so we can all feel better about ourselves.

this was mostly a joke lol

[Andresvmb]

Andres is asserting I have any scum incentive at all to flip this off of T3.

I literally win the game by letting that go through and waiting to do this until tomorrow unless my partner is exactly T3.

Weird that I'm so impatient to get Andres today and not tomorrow. Really bizarre.

Your approach to today is beyond infuriating. If you think you’re well situated, then you would rather your partner escape instead of you, correct? No reason to not maintain your strategic positioning in the game by having certain players pocketed or leaning positively on you, while pushing your preferred elimination which, when I flip Town, will damage you somewhat but perhaps not enough to not continue with the strategy as laid out. That’s speculation, but you’re making it sound like no way you wouldn’t just execute T3 if they’re not your Partner as if you didn’t care about perception.

[Ydrasse]

i don’t feel great about this vote but there are few i think i could feel great about atp

Can you explain why you’re voting for me beyond just I’m going to vote with my TRs? Because it seems to me like this is basically going to define whether we win or lose, and you seem to really not care.

when i’m home i’ll outline it more but the gist is that i read through some isos and i’m struggling to figure out who wolf is and i don’t feel like there’s a lot of reasons for me to think you’re town other than your recent posting but even that is… a lot of emotional influence on me than it is a reason that you aren’t paired with camel

So you don’t think the voting by a few players of both Town players or some blatant defenses of escaped Scum are worse than my inactivity? I mean that’s baffling. But okay.

i think it’s… very silly and baffling that you’re reducing it down like this but again i will explain when i am able

[Andresvmb]

Reread page 83 and 84. There is a VC on 83 you can look at to get the state. Look at where the votes are moving

I probably wont reread

Like this is an outrageous reaction, but I don’t see much reevaluation happening from Prism here. I am strongly against an imaginality execution precisely because of the context jjh also pointed out (that I highlighted in a previous post), but gob clearly has an agenda and no set of facts or additional critical thinking is going to change that. Which is blatantly Scummy. But whatever, let’s pretend that executing me wins the game so we can all feel better about ourselves.

this was mostly a joke lol

This is a straight up lie.

[Prism]

I also love that despite asking him SIX TIMES why my reasoning on gob is wrong Andres can't do anything except show up and complain that everyone sucks and he's disappointed the moment he gets voted.

[Prism]

For someone that doesn't want to argue with me about our own respective slots, the dude adamantly refuses to talk about anything else with me.

[Andresvmb]

i don’t feel great about this vote but there are few i think i could feel great about atp

Can you explain why you’re voting for me beyond just I’m going to vote with my TRs? Because it seems to me like this is basically going to define whether we win or lose, and you seem to really not care.

when i’m home i’ll outline it more but the gist is that i read through some isos and i’m struggling to figure out who wolf is and i don’t feel like there’s a lot of reasons for me to think you’re town other than your recent posting but even that is… a lot of emotional influence on me than it is a reason that you aren’t paired with camel

So you don’t think the voting by a few players of both Town players or some blatant defenses of escaped Scum are worse than my inactivity? I mean that’s baffling. But okay.

i think it’s… very silly and baffling that you’re reducing it down like this but again i will explain when i am able

What ISOs have you read? Understand that figuring out Scum here is not straightforward - we haven’t helped ourselves a lot by executing Town back to back and I certainly haven’t helped myself by being absent.

But you’re making it sound like there aren’t any players that defended camel or failed to vote there at key moments, or that pushed for Town in ways that are subtle (like Shirou’s tunnel of Alisae is the sort of stuff that experienced Scum can get away with, but it’s not what I see most often because of the attention it attracts). So that’s what I don’t understand - you’re making it seem like my posting is somehow worse than what is already out there and I just don’t get it.

[Andresvmb]

I also love that despite asking him SIX TIMES why my reasoning on gob is wrong Andres can't do anything except show up and complain that everyone sucks and he's disappointed the moment he gets voted.

I haven’t read your defense. Stop making it sound like that’s a Scum tell or something. I haven’t gotten to it. I’m making up my own mind by reading in order. Stop pushing this angle. It’s ridiculous.

[Prism]

You haven't gotten to it in like 4 days but here you are again whining up a storm and fighting with me over our own slots. Bizarre how one of these you always have time for, usually within the hour.

[imaginality]

(I believe that's three on Andres-T3, Ydra, Prism-and four on T3-Shirou, Firebringer, Dragons, imaginality)

This feels significant that T3 didn't get hammered.
Makes me think if T3 is town then gob and Ydrasse and Andres are town because I think any of them as scum would just take the chance to hammer town and escape. (As none of them are especially well positioned.)

But the more likely scenario is T3 is scum.

[Prism]

This feels significant that T3 didn't get hammered.
Makes me think if T3 is town then gob and Ydrasse and Andres are town because I think any of them as scum would just take the chance to hammer town and escape. (As none of them are especially well positioned.)

But the more likely scenario is T3 is scum.

It takes 6 votes. T3 had 4. Another player needed to vote before a scum can blitz.

[gob]

Reread page 83 and 84. There is a VC on 83 you can look at to get the state. Look at where the votes are moving

I probably wont reread

Like this is an outrageous reaction, but I don’t see much reevaluation happening from Prism here. I am strongly against an imaginality execution precisely because of the context jjh also pointed out (that I highlighted in a previous post), but gob clearly has an agenda and no set of facts or additional critical thinking is going to change that. Which is blatantly Scummy. But whatever, let’s pretend that executing me wins the game so we can all feel better about ourselves.

this was mostly a joke lol

This is a straight up lie.

wtf no its not lol.

Are you just the wolf here?

[imaginality]

Oh d'oh. Ignore that then, I thought it was 5

[Andresvmb]

Reread page 83 and 84. There is a VC on 83 you can look at to get the state. Look at where the votes are moving

I probably wont reread

Like this is an outrageous reaction, but I don’t see much reevaluation happening from Prism here. I am strongly against an imaginality execution precisely because of the context jjh also pointed out (that I highlighted in a previous post), but gob clearly has an agenda and no set of facts or additional critical thinking is going to change that. Which is blatantly Scummy. But whatever, let’s pretend that executing me wins the game so we can all feel better about ourselves.

this was mostly a joke lol

This is a straight up lie.

wtf no its not lol.

Are you just the wolf here?

Why don’t you do what you told jjh you would do then and prove me wrong?

[Ydrasse]

i don’t feel great about this vote but there are few i think i could feel great about atp

Can you explain why you’re voting for me beyond just I’m going to vote with my TRs? Because it seems to me like this is basically going to define whether we win or lose, and you seem to really not care.

when i’m home i’ll outline it more but the gist is that i read through some isos and i’m struggling to figure out who wolf is and i don’t feel like there’s a lot of reasons for me to think you’re town other than your recent posting but even that is… a lot of emotional influence on me than it is a reason that you aren’t paired with camel

So you don’t think the voting by a few players of both Town players or some blatant defenses of escaped Scum are worse than my inactivity? I mean that’s baffling. But okay.

i think it’s… very silly and baffling that you’re reducing it down like this but again i will explain when i am able

What ISOs have you read? Understand that figuring out Scum here is not straightforward - we haven’t helped ourselves a lot by executing Town back to back and I certainly haven’t helped myself by being absent.

But you’re making it sound like there aren’t any players that defended camel or failed to vote there at key moments, or that pushed for Town in ways that are subtle (like Shirou’s tunnel of Alisae is the sort of stuff that experienced Scum can get away with, but it’s not what I see most often because of the attention it attracts). So that’s what I don’t understand - you’re making it seem like my posting is somehow worse than what is already out there and I just don’t get it.

i think that i’ve read most of the isos in varying degrees but i skimmed yours camel gobs dragons today (am at work)
most of my reasons to not vote people are either due to camel stuff or some other things that feel Towny to me even if they’re alongside not as good camel stuff. i feel that the only reason i have to call you town is that your emotions could come from town but you’ve not done anything to rule yourself out of being a wolf (and i feel you’re aware of that too?) so i don’t understand the like… indignation

[gob]

Reread page 83 and 84. There is a VC on 83 you can look at to get the state. Look at where the votes are moving

I probably wont reread

Like this is an outrageous reaction, but I don’t see much reevaluation happening from Prism here. I am strongly against an imaginality execution precisely because of the context jjh also pointed out (that I highlighted in a previous post), but gob clearly has an agenda and no set of facts or additional critical thinking is going to change that. Which is blatantly Scummy. But whatever, let’s pretend that executing me wins the game so we can all feel better about ourselves.

this was mostly a joke lol

This is a straight up lie.

wtf no its not lol.

Are you just the wolf here?

Why don’t you do what you told jjh you would do then and prove me wrong?

Im at work for another 2 hours dude

[Andresvmb]

You haven't gotten to it in like 4 days but here you are again whining up a storm and fighting with me over our own slots. Bizarre how one of these you always have time for, usually within the hour.

What I really do find most annoying about how you’re playing is that you will take 0 responsibility for being wrong if I do flip Town (if you’re Town of course, which I don’t believe). You’ll make some dumb excuse that it was impossible to read me correctly since I complained too much and that I was useless or some other crap.

I have clearly been catching up over time, by putting in multiple hours over the last several days. Is that not obvious to you? I obviously don’t want the game to get derailed, so I do take the time to respond when I can to the posts I have read towards the front as I proceed with my catch up methodically. I don’t think I need to prove this - you can just read my ISO and it’s all there.

I haven’t said everyone sucks either - that’s just a blatant misrep. I’m upset at Ydrasse a bit but for the nth time, I think their confusion about my alignment (and some others) is totally fair. I do hold T3 to a higher standard - they’ve been able to pin me correctly in other games from my real time posting, so it’s disappointing they’re voting me here but they’re also under pressure so that may just be what must be done.