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[Elements]

Hey, listen!

[Gamma Emerald]

And yes it's been nine minutes. I have a life. I can't stay glued to the screen all the time.

You can Explain your vote in your own words. If you don't have time for this then unvote vote me, or don't try to play the game at all.

gross

I don't like the tone of your exchanges with him and others. You sound like desperate scum.

This is not adequate.

VOTE: Eiralox

[KeyLaga]

Why are people voting for Key? I don't see Key being scum here.

100% policy.

Good luck with that, still a cog-dis on your part though, which I think is AI.

[KeyLaga]

OH DEAR GOODNESS NAER UNVOTE PLEASE!

[Naerys]

Hey, listen!

bloop?

[Naerys]

UNVOTE: eiralox

[Elements]

Hey, listen!

bloop?

It was meant to be a pagebottom
But Bingle beat me too it

[Elements]

VOTE: eira

[Elements]

UNVOTE:

[KeyLaga]

Actually... Naerys should send the IC a list of messages she will send on future nights, to be able to prove that people received those messages. That is the protown potential of that role, assuming it isn't functionally a scum vanilla cop.

Wow. Interesting idea I have to admit.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi guys! Reads:
1. Chell - Very sus. I think they are bussing, tried to control discussion but stopped and started being inactive.
2. Doctor Drew - Seems good to me but Idk that's just vibes.
3. KeyLaga - I don't think Mafia would try so hard lol
4. Random Nurse - Has been pretty inactive but I like his posts other then the random vote on Key at the beggining.
5. KittyTacky - I think he is good.
6. Gamma Emerald - Nuetral. There are some things I like, some things I don't like.
7. Eiralox - Key made some good points about Eira being mafia but I'm less certain about Eira then Chell.
8. Celebloki - Celeb is just garunteed to be town lol
9. Naerys - I'm going to be honest, I don't vibe with her posts.
10. Elements - A little sus. I'll keep my eye on them.
11. OutWorldER - For some reason I get town vibes from him.
12. Bingle - Sus.
Okay bye now.

Eira just grows more sus with every post imo
UNVOTE: Chell
VOTE: Eira

This is your entire progression on me.

Explain your vote using your own words.

This progression is 0% suspicious.

[KeyLaga]

Obviously if Bingle hammers he is auto-scum.

[Alianna]

1.28

Votecount 1.28

Eiralox (E-2): Doctor Drew, Chell, KittyTacky, Organized Khaos, Gamma Emerald
Naerys (2): Sleepy Dragon, Eiralox
KeyLaga (1): Bingle

Not Voting (5):

Celebloki

, Random Nurse, KeyLaga, Naerys, Elements

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-11-16 10:02:20).

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Unvote
INTENT FOR D1 HAMMER

Celeb already called it

[Bingle]

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Message formatting. Don't claim or mention the words in thread until massclaim. Naerys claims who she sent the messages to after massclaim is fully done if she's still alive then.

[Bingle]

try and make the words hard to mutually guess. I suggest random words from dictionary.com, it's how I do passwords for secret alt games.

[KeyLaga]

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Message formatting. Don't claim or mention the words in thread until massclaim. Naerys claims who she sent the messages to after massclaim is fully done if she's still alive then.

Since she has already claimed though, doesn't that reduce the utility of this approach? Isn't better to use the cop aspect rather than try and set up a prolonged system that would best work if she hadn't claimed already?

[Naerys]

i will, thanks for the tip!

[Gamma Emerald]

No sorry.

Fine play to your win con.

Scum in Kitty, Drew, Laga, Naerys, Gamma

If someone hammers me without letting me claim, I don't care who they are, they're a good lim or vig shot. My flip will make that clear at least.

Interesting

[Elements]

VOTE: keylaga

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, would town-Bingle ever attack an IC for helping a player?

[OK I think I got the terminology wrong here -- what did the coaches in the newbie games used to be called?]

But seriously, since that "newbie helping NAI role" has been abolished, how does it even make sense to attack a player who is acting in this capacity? Does town-Bingle EVER act like this?

This behavior from the desperate scum -- ooops sorry, I mean from Fungus & Bingle, this behavior should be discouraged by sitewide meta and I think it IS alignment indicative on Bingle's part at least.

Straight up? Yes.

Spoiler: My actual IC posts from old time newbies

Subject: Newbie 1542: Wikipedia Mafia II [GAME OVER]

OK. Here goes:

Spoiler: A Big Ol' IC Wall

There's a few things you should be aware of going into this game:

1st. Some of the players are what is known as a PR or Power Role. It is in town's best interest to keep the identities of these players hidden as long as possible. To that end, keep all speculation about what other's roles may be to yourself. It is bad for town to discuss this. As a PR, play as you normally would. An investigative (cop/JK) should claim if they have 1-2 guilties or 2-3 innocents. No other PR's should claim unless they are being run up, and then only at L-1. *This is not a hard and fast rule, but for the purposes of this game pretend it is.

2nd. Wagons and L-1. L-1 is shorthand that means 1 vote until l****. If you cast a vote that is the last one before a l****, announce that you are putting that person at L-1. If at any point, you find yourself wanting to vote for someone who is at L-1, instead state the intent to hammer. This means that you intend to l****the person in question. At this point, and at no point prior to this, should the person who is being voted claim their role. This is to prevent us from l****ing possibly powerful PRs. After a claim is recieved (or if the player refuses to claim) and after discussion, then the hammer might get cast.

3rd. Activity. It is incredibly important to town's chances of winning that we maintain a presence in the thread and continue trying to solve the game. To that end, everyone should attempt to post at least once a day if at all possible. Yes I realize that we all have lives, but the chance of a town win dramatically increase along with activity.

4th. The beginning. Here on mafiascum there are two major ways to start a game. RVS and RQS. Personally I believe RVS is superior, but I will demonstrate both in the interest of showing them to you.

RVS- Slightly poorly named, the goal is not to actually vote at random but to vote for arbitrary reasons. This allows people to fish for reactions, build associations and interact while we have little or no information.

RQS- Also poorly named, the goal is to ask questions that will help you determine the style of play of people while the game starts, possibly also bringing up some form of controversy so that people can begin arguing.

5th. The SE's and myself are here to help you learn how to play mafia. Ask us questions. Do not think, however, that any of us are not also playing the game. Each of your SE's and myself had exactly the same chance of drawing scum as you did. Keep that in mind. If you ever need to address something to the mod, use the bold tags: [ b][ /b]. If you would like to vote, either bold your vote or use the vote tags [ v][ /v] and put it on a separate line for Maestro's convenience.

6th. The main differences between town and scum are twofold: 1. Scum has more information than town does. 2. Scum is trying not to get l****ed, town is looking for scum. For this reason, the motivations behind a post are often more important than the content. You should look at each post individually and ask yourself:

1. Assuming the poster is town, why would he post this?
2. Assuming the poster is scum, why would he post this?
3. Do I agree with what is being said here?

TL;DR: I'm an IC. Ask me theory questions and I won't lie.

RVS:

VOTE: NotScience

C'mon, Notty. Show me some love.

RQS:

1. What is your alignment?
2. Have you played mafia before? If so, how often and in what format (RL, Forum, Skype, Using morse code on nuclear submarines in the Pacific Ocean.)
3. What alignment were you hoping to get?
4. Who among the player list do you recognize?
17. What is your opinion on l**** all Liars and l**** all Lurkers as policies?

Now I'm gonna read the two pages you guys posted while I was busy.

Subject: Newbie 1542: Wikipedia Mafia II [GAME OVER]

First off- I refuse to post random articles, and instead will be posting ones that totally have a purpose behind them.

To that end, fresh of the mafiascum wiki: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... 27s_Gambit Enjoy!

I've been going through different games, and I agree in part with some player's inclination to start a game based on questions on gameplay/experience, rather than solely rely on RVS (random voting stage). Perhaps a combination of the two is ideal. So if everyone wouldn't mind answering these:

1) What do you think are the most efficient ways to play as Town?
2)How active are you/do you intend to be?

I think town should avoid tunnel vision, and get around to putting pressure on as many players as possible.
I'll be quite active - until exam period sets in.

1) Everyone has a different playstyle, and we're a bit premature to out scumtells and towntells. I will say this though, activity is key as town.
2) I intend to be active to the point where I have at least one decently sized post each day. This Sunday may be an exception due to real life, but that is a minimum. If I fail to meet that minimum, feel free to yell at me because it's probably because I'm being lazy.

Why specifically do you think tunnelling is bad? Do you think it is more likely to come from scum or town?

I was going to answer the question but wouldn't the scum gain a lot by knowing what we think is good town play as they could adjust there play accordingly to avoid suspicion. I feel like the cons of answering this out way the pros. What do you think town gains with this knowledge that could make me consider?

@everyone how much experience do you have playing mafia? (SE and IC's could answer if they want
@everyone does anyone have experience with other people in this game, if so who?

I am a somewhat experienced player but the games I have played in haven't been incredibly serious.

I play at least once a week in RL, and have been playing on site for quite some time now. I'm also in three hydras (two people playing together as a single player) and I have read or helped with the setup/design on many more games. If you want some of my meta, feel free to ask, or you can use the handy "view topics" button after clicking my username.

Notty (NotScience) was in my very first game on site and we talk every once in a while on sitechat.
Bins and Wolfy are both players I've seen before around the site, but I can't think of any completed games with either of them. I've also seen davesaz, although he appears to have flaked. I recognize none of you newbies. I'm sorry if I've seen you before and don't remember.

@Mdevil, why you no answer me about your scum buddy?

I didn't really think I needed to reply to a baseless accusation.

Also, you already show an inconsistency. You elect not to participate in RVS because you don't see a point, then begin to attempt to pressure me in the exact same manner, if not more so as you sought to follow up directly, while not voting. It seems kind of arbitrary.

And what does that mean to you? Is he likely scum or likely town? Why?


Hey, so Roshar is null-scum and bee is prob-town.

Speaking from experience, even in the system where there was a person whose job it was to teach, you could absolutely read into how people taught and the circumstances around it.

Also, to say I was yelling at Naerys for being helpful is a massive misrepresentation. I was pointing out that it's skeevy at best to say certain types of posts are off limits for analysis and outright damaging to the game at worst, and trying to bring morality in to enforce that makes that incredibly damaging.

Ftr I don’t try to make certain posts off limits to analyze but there are circumstances where if you try to extract an alignment read from a certain situation I will hate you for it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Once Eira flips scum, Elements goes next

[KeyLaga]

Yes ma'am I will watch with joy from the ded thred

[Elements]

Once Eira flips scum, Elements goes next

And if eira flips town?

[Elements]

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