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You still don't have watcher result.Wizard-Mercenary
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Black she/herTwilight Princessshe/her
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BlackStar he/himMafia Scumhe/him
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I’m a bodyguard. I targeted Thestatusquo N1 and usesPython N2.-
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Roden He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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So Shea got Jailed, Vig'd, and Bodyguarded on the same night?-
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Roden He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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I need to look up NAR now because idk what takes priority in that situation-
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OutWorldER He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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No it was HoldSteady who got Jailed, which is why Shea/BlackStar are both alive if HS's claim is true-
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OutWorldER He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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One of the protectives has to be fake there's no way the NRG passes on Town having 4 different ways (JOAT Doc, JK, BG, BP) to cuck the scumteam's kill even if their gated.-
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As far as i am concerned, there's nothing breaking so far.Wizard-Mercenary
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Roden He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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Ok yeah, I misread THS as TSQ-
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AnimatedWiz He/HimGoonHe/Him
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So, this chain of events that supposedly happened night 1 is wild.
THS tries to shoot Shea, who BlackStar bodyguards, but BlackStar doesn’t die because Smiley jailed THS.
I agree with OWER—if I recall correctly, wasn’t this game advertised in sign-ups as simple? This is way too complicated to match up with that.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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OutWorldER He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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It was advertised as Simple but Smiley claimed Lazy JK (Lazy is not a simple modifier, it's Regular+) and IIRC the game was formally in signups before the compartment system debuted. Smiley has no reason to lie about being Lazy (which is why I wholeheartedly believe his claim) so the game being tagged as simple honestly means jack shit.-
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Enchant Survivor
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Idk just ask mod if Lazy are possible why notWizard-Mercenary
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OutWorldER He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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I don't know if the mod would be able to actually answer that question since it could be considered the mod confirming a player's role-
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Enchant Survivor
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@Mod
LAZY MODIFIER ARE POSSIBLE IN THIS GAME?Wizard-Mercenary
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AnimatedWiz He/HimGoonHe/Him
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Regardless of whether this game being described as simple is meaningful or not, my point about this chain of events on n1 being likely too complex to be true stands, and so does your point about having too many protective roles to be true.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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Black she/herTwilight Princessshe/her
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Black - Macho 2-shot Watcher
Smiley - Lazy JK
Naerys - VT
Annie - VT
Enchant - ?
Roden - VT
THS - JOAT
OWER - VT
BlackStar - BG
Shea - ?
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usesPython They/ThemMafia ScumThey/Them
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Setup spec wise we're inclined to believe one of Smiley/BlackStar is fake simply because it's not immediately obvious for most people how the scenario of JK + BG + Mafia targeting the same person resolves
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usesPython They/ThemMafia ScumThey/Them
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Can Enchant/Black post their results already instead of pointlessly bickering
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OutWorldER He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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I mean, all those roles are in the Simple compartment, even if this game was not made with that system in mind, they're in that compartment for a reason. And the resolution isn't complicated, Jailkeep is considered it's own action type under NAR and resolves before Protection or Kill so it's not very complex for the mod to keep track of and the players only have to look at the NAR page for 2 seconds.
Again, I'm inclined to believe the JOAT claim is actually the fake one here because having a Vig of any kind in a JK/BG/BP setup seems ludicrously swingy in Town's favor, not to mention the other abilities that he claimed, and his stated night actions are incredibly convenient for someone in THS's position.-
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Black she/herTwilight Princessshe/her
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I watched you. Smiley and BlackStar both visited you last nightIn post 1642, usesPython wrote: Can Enchant/Black post their results already instead of pointlessly bickering
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I'm probably going to think Enchant is scum regardless of what he claims now just because of how he maneuvered around the claims today-
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Thestatusquo He/HimSheaHe/Him
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usesPython They/ThemMafia ScumThey/Them
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It's not immediately obvious how it resolves because it's not immediately obvious if the Bodyguard dies there or not (they don't because BG resolves only if their target would be dead without the BG's action. Since the JK stops the kill the BG doesn't trigger). Also that's not how NAR resolves in that situation because you can resolve it with just the golden rule by:In post 1643, OutWorldER wrote: I mean, all those roles are in the Simple compartment, even if this game was not made with that system in mind, they're in that compartment for a reason. And the resolution isn't complicated, Jailkeep is considered it's own action type under NAR and resolves before Protection or Kill so it's not very complex for the mod to keep track of and the players only have to look at the NAR page for 2 seconds.- JK's action not affected by Maf or BG, it resolves first
- Resolve BG since it can affect the mafia NK here
- Resolve maf shot
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usesPython They/ThemMafia ScumThey/Them
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Why are there two protectives on a BP what is wrong with peopleIn post 1644, Black wrote:
I watched you. Smiley and BlackStar both visited you last nightIn post 1642, usesPython wrote: Can Enchant/Black post their results already instead of pointlessly bickering
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I'm probably going to think Enchant is scum regardless of what he claims now just because of how he maneuvered around the claims today
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AnimatedWiz He/HimGoonHe/Him
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So, as far as we know right now, all results and claims don’t directly contradict each other—a lot of protectives, which is suspicious, but not a direct contradiction.Hi, I'm Annie! Please have patience with me—I am disabled.-
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usesPython They/ThemMafia ScumThey/Them
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Black - Macho 2-shot Watcher
Smiley - Lazy JK
Naerys - VT
Annie - VT
Enchant - ?
Roden - VT
THS - JOAT (Vig/Tracker/Doc)
OWER - VT
BlackStar - BG
Shea - VT
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