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[usesPython]

[Enchant]

[OutWorldER]

Also, I never stated an SR on Python D2, I was focused on Roden that day and inactive during most of the Hu Tao wagon, so I mostly just didn't pay attention to what they were doing.

Your last stated read on Python was a scumlean. What is your current read on them?

I remember thinking they looked fairly townie interacting with and pushing Hu Tao's wagon on D2, but I'd have to go back and actually read in-depth because again, I was mostly inactive that part of the day dealing with college preparations and holdover stuff from leaving my job.

[BlackStar]

[Enchant]

Why when i mentioned anime game went downhill?

Let's focus

[OutWorldER]

bros are gif-spamming now

Spoiler: image

[TheHoldSteady]

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Out of usesPython/Blackstar, I feel like usesPython are more likely to be town here. Looking back at yesterday, I struggle to see scum in usesPython's position electing to commit a BP claim in order to power through a Hu Tao Mislim there (Keep in mind they fullclaimed after Hu Tao retracted the doctor claim. If they were trying to save OWER they could've just pushed Hu Tao's retraction without claiming anything there). I also am skeptical of the idea that a team with scum!Python on it has Python perform the kill given the slot was a major contributor to pushing the mislim through and thus might be more likely to draw the eye of town power roles (would say i'm more confident on this second point then the first one).
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Would like some additional input on this though. You guys seeing what I see here?

Let me ask you this: at the end of gamestate yesterday, would you have considered Python to be a deep scum? Or at the very least, a slot with little suspicion on them? Because that's the best argument, at least thinking more mechanically, that Python would be town; deeper scum generally don't put themselves out there to be found by town PRs. I tracked Outworld specifically because they were closer to being eliminated and thus were more likely to show up on pr reports.

I would say that Python matched that description before the end of yesterday yes. It's weird, because in my view Python was probs one of the less suspected players before the Hu Tao push, though I think the green flip likely would've resulted in the slot being more suspected. If I had to postulate, i'd say they felt like they're somewhere in the middle in regards to suspicion.

Question for you? If we were to assume Scum!Python, who would you say the partners are right now? Depending on the composition of the scum team a hypothetical scum!Python might've been scum's best chance to endgame going into night 2 (or at least be an alternative option in case the "endgamer" of the group falters) and i'm not sure scum risks having them perform the kill in that case when there's reason to believe that power roles could be on them.

Let me just say I don't think Python is partnered with either Outworld or Blackstar. So two others besides them.

[Black]

Let me just say I don't think Python is partnered with either Outworld or Blackstar. So two others besides them.

Why can't python/OWER be a thing here

[TheHoldSteady]

They wouldn't need to bus, honestly. Just keep pushing the mislims and have town keep hopping along. They pushed mislims the past two days, so clearly if they're scum, its working.

[Black]

How are python/OWER bussing each other?

[usesPython]

How are python/OWER bussing each other?

I think THS is saying we're bussing OWER, not that OWER is bussing us

[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

I think there's an argument to be made that BlackStar will either be a NK target or he'll die by protecting someone. If neither of those things happen then it should be safe to fade him closer to ELO

I think the better play is to fade python first, or Roden/Naerys if we want to try to go for a VT

If I assume BlackStar is town then I think the most likely scenario here is that Smiley blocked python from making the NK

VOTE: usesPython

Actually I don't get this, Python/Blackstar is a 1f1 but you leave Blackstar for later cause you think he can confirm himself if he's real but then flip us today anyways? Like that automatically resolves this fight I don't get your logic for going for us here

[Dannflor]

VC 3.2

Bloody Mary

BlackStar [3]:

OutWorldER, Roden, usesPython

usesPython [3]:

TheHoldSteady, BlackStar, Black

Roden [1]:

AnimatedWiz

Not Voting [4]:

SmileyDude1, Enchant, Thestatusquo, Naerys

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate. Day 3 ends in (expired on 2023-11-21 17:35:22).

Mod Notes:

[Black]

How are python/OWER bussing each other?

I think THS is saying we're bussing OWER, not that OWER is bussing us

I don't really consider you saying "OWER isn't a bad lim" as bussing and I don't understand why saying this means you can't be paired

UNVOTE:

I think there's an argument to be made that BlackStar will either be a NK target or he'll die by protecting someone. If neither of those things happen then it should be safe to fade him closer to ELO

I think the better play is to fade python first, or Roden/Naerys if we want to try to go for a VT

If I assume BlackStar is town then I think the most likely scenario here is that Smiley blocked python from making the NK

VOTE: usesPython

Actually I don't get this, Python/Blackstar is a 1f1 but you leave Blackstar for later cause you think he can confirm himself if he's real but then flip us today anyways? Like that automatically resolves this fight I don't get your logic for going for us here

I think Smiley might have stopped your night kill. If you flip town I wouldn't be opposed to flipping BS next

[usesPython]

I think Smiley might have stopped your night kill. If you flip town I wouldn't be opposed to flipping BS next

wdym "wouldn't be opposed" it's literally a 1f1

[usesPython]

Black explain to me in your own words the mech in play here cause I think you're running under some misunderstandings

[Black]

What do you think I'm misunderstanding?

[usesPython]

What do you think I'm misunderstanding?

I don't know but if your immediate reaction to us flipping town isn't "ok time to have a red Blackstar flip" then there's gotta be something

[Black]

I'll trust your mech here if you flip town

[usesPython]

I'll trust your mech here if you flip town

I mean that works too but if you're flipping us on faulty mech we'd rather skip that part and go straight to a red flip

[Black]

What's faulty about thinking Smiley blocked your NK?

[usesPython]

What's faulty about thinking Smiley blocked your NK?

No that part's possible from your point of you, it's more the question of why you think it's likelier than BlackStar shooting us

[usesPython]

Like scum have inherent multitasking and we know there's a missing night action so that'd mean we'd have to not be the blocker but also did the kill for some reason instead of loading up all the actions on one person?

[Black]

Well I started to feel sus of your BP claim. It feels like it would be a good claim for you for a couple reasons if you're scum here

One, you get to use it to try and fade Hu Tao. And two it makes it so you're less likely to be targeted by a role that could interfere with you making the NK, like the JK

If you're scum here then you made the NK assuming no JK would possibly target the BP, and it backfired

[usesPython]

Well I started to feel sus of your BP claim. It feels like it would be a good claim for you for a couple reasons if you're scum here

One, you get to use it to try and fade Hu Tao. And two it makes it so you're less likely to be targeted by a role that could interfere with you making the NK, like the JK

If you're scum here then you made the NK assuming no JK would possibly target the BP, and it backfired

Macho implies the existence of a Doctor though, not a Jailkeeper. Think we mentioned that D2 as well which would be before the massclaim. As scum here we'd be focusing more on investigative roles like Watcher/Tracker over Jailkeeper and for that I don't get why we wouldn't just have the blocker double up on actions and let us deepwolf to victory