Open 891: STDBINSBICACOT (Game Over)

[Psyche]

im not the vig
i did not form my own opinion about whether saying so is wise
but i will probably wait until i have an opinion before placing a vote
i think i'll have that before the sun returns to taunt me

you should have said you were the vig to give cover

oh sorry

[Taly]

The problem stems from the fact that his only source of "content" in the game: When he's coasting off of other people's scumreads in the same sequence. His vote on Black was naked and never explained later, quickly following a post where he complained about the activity. His response to Gob saying he didn't like Roden was again naked, in the very next post after Gob, and never explained later. He then deflects his own lack of content by questioning Titus, when he's already indicated he believes she moved the vote from one person he dislikes and onto another.

He has done nothing to suggest he had a genuine read on Black or Roden. The fact that his vote didn't move from Black to Roden doesn't change this.

Looks like someone has never seen my scum game.

I didn't like how Black came off with her interaction with Titus so two things were in play here. One, I needed to do something to thrust myself into the game and two, I almost always will sheep Titus as long as I don't think she is scum. And ya I didn't like Roden's posting right after that, but didn't feel the need to change my vote at the time.

If, as Titus is kinda suggesting, if Roden and I were buddies I am almost guaranteed to switch my vote to them at that point. And I am not going to switch to them because the person I am currently voting is asking me to lol.

Helping you out here Crescent, a little intro to TownDrew with an added bonus of a little smidge of how scumDrew plays.

Glad I could be of assistance.

Pre Edit: Ali not feeling like playing is totally townAli lol

could this have been planned?

[Psyche]

i wanna play too, yknow?
but leaning gob still

[Alisae]

im not the vig
i did not form my own opinion about whether saying so is wise
but i will probably wait until i have an opinion before placing a vote
i think i'll have that before the sun returns to taunt me

you should have said you were the vig to give cover

oh sorry

it's fine don't worry about it
It was worth trying to peer pressure you into it

[Alisae]

i wanna play too, yknow?
but leaning gob still

I mean ig there isn't much of a game to be played but I mean ig I can't stop you

[Taly]

i have no qualms with the townbloc tbh, im not 100% on

psyche

but i do like their posts here, and i did like the posts in the initial conversation

[Taly]

I think pisskop's reaction to the fake guilty was bad, and I think it might be because he knew there was no cop.

VOTE: SS
Let's kill this person next

im honestly down with this VOTE: Something_Scum <3

[Taly]

The problem stems from the fact that his only source of "content" in the game: When he's coasting off of other people's scumreads in the same sequence. His vote on Black was naked and never explained later, quickly following a post where he complained about the activity. His response to Gob saying he didn't like Roden was again naked, in the very next post after Gob, and never explained later. He then deflects his own lack of content by questioning Titus, when he's already indicated he believes she moved the vote from one person he dislikes and onto another.

He has done nothing to suggest he had a genuine read on Black or Roden. The fact that his vote didn't move from Black to Roden doesn't change this.

Looks like someone has never seen my scum game.

I didn't like how Black came off with her interaction with Titus so two things were in play here. One, I needed to do something to thrust myself into the game and two, I almost always will sheep Titus as long as I don't think she is scum. And ya I didn't like Roden's posting right after that, but didn't feel the need to change my vote at the time.

If, as Titus is kinda suggesting, if Roden and I were buddies I am almost guaranteed to switch my vote to them at that point. And I am not going to switch to them because the person I am currently voting is asking me to lol.

Helping you out here Crescent, a little intro to TownDrew with an added bonus of a little smidge of how scumDrew plays.

Glad I could be of assistance.

Pre Edit: Ali not feeling like playing is totally townAli lol

could this have been planned?

nah, i think SvS wouldve had a shitfight or been much less chill here?

[Black]

Ok, this is a game that is dominated by a few high posters while others are doing absolutely nothing, like Alisae. She has three posts, and no content, and possibly the single laziest vote in the game.

Almost all commentary revolving around Dave feels superficial, especially the votes. He feels like a topic that exists for the sake of being a topic. Dunnstral has basically done nothing of any relevance at all, but he's gotten votes out of it. The votes on both of them feel cheap and not really based on solving.

Odd sequence: Titus votes Black. Drew votes Black. Roden calls Titus and Black both town, and Gob says he doesn't like Roden. Drew then responds to Gob saying he also doesn't like Roden. Shortly after this, Black votes Roden. Titus changes her mind and votes Roden, and Drew immediately asks her why she's backing off on Black.

What Drew never provides however, are his own reasons to suspect Black or Rodon to begin with. He just sheeps people onto both of them, and then he questions why the first person he sheeped changed her mind. It doesn't feel like a natural town progression at all.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Speaking of Gob, they feel like they're on crack, is this normal for them?

Shadow and Something feel like they're staying on the sidelines and only making fringe comments. Almost all of Dann's posts focus on Dave. All of them are low posters. These are three people I would like to see something more concrete from going forward.

I feel like throwing SS in at the end here could imply they're partnered. The old "I would like to see more from them" line. Saying gob is on crack would be funny if gob is scum

The problem stems from the fact that his only source of "content" in the game: When he's coasting off of other people's scumreads in the same sequence. His vote on Black was naked and never explained later, quickly following a post where he complained about the activity. His response to Gob saying he didn't like Roden was again naked, in the very next post after Gob, and never explained later. He then deflects his own lack of content by questioning Titus, when he's already indicated he believes she moved the vote from one person he dislikes and onto another.

He has done nothing to suggest he had a genuine read on Black or Roden. The fact that his vote didn't move from Black to Roden doesn't change this.

Looks like someone has never seen my scum game.

I didn't like how Black came off with her interaction with Titus so two things were in play here. One, I needed to do something to thrust myself into the game and two, I almost always will sheep Titus as long as I don't think she is scum. And ya I didn't like Roden's posting right after that, but didn't feel the need to change my vote at the time.

If, as Titus is kinda suggesting, if Roden and I were buddies I am almost guaranteed to switch my vote to them at that point. And I am not going to switch to them because the person I am currently voting is asking me to lol.

Helping you out here Crescent, a little intro to TownDrew with an added bonus of a little smidge of how scumDrew plays.

Glad I could be of assistance.

Pre Edit: Ali not feeling like playing is totally townAli lol

Self meta is something I oddly respect because I do it a lot myself. I haven't played here in like a year, and I've only ever been in one game with Titus and zero with you. (I think I've been in three with Roden and the guy has been shot night 1 every time). This sheeping thing feels like something Titus could easily confirm or deny. I deal with a player elsewhere who virtually always sheeps another specific player.

My own bit of self-meta is I'm used to much faster paced games than this (48h day/24h night), so I tend to completely drown out the games I play here with post count, and I'm trying to pace myself so I don't do it this time around. Also I don't pedit on principle, as it doesn't exist the way I'm used to playing. I actually think it's a really cheap mechanic because I think it's the player's responsibility to know what's been posted before they hit post themselves.

I have decided that I don't townread Something_Smart and for lack of a better read I'd be willing to eliminate them based on a feeling that they have a lot of neutral posts and not a lot of opinions beyond not liking what I did and asking davesaz for clarification.

VOTE: Something_Smart

Not a bad vote. Responded to me calling him out for making too many neutral sideline comments with a neutral sideline comment.

This makes me feel like SS is scum too. "Not a bad vote" kinda reeks

Also I have a specific read on Gob's.. Behavior, but I don't know if it's something I should share at this time.

Not sure what to make of this comment

Currently I want to fade within {pisskop, Roden, Titus, SS, shadow}

For Titus and Roden to both be scum essentially requires everything Titus has done towards him to be theater at a mostly inactive scumbuddy right after he calls her town, and for her to have consistently prodded said scumbuddy for days. Given the exactly one game I ever played with her a long while ago (where she was scum), I feel like I remember her being tunnely towards a specific town member early, whilst basically outright ignoring her teammates for the most part.

And looking up that game, MN2272. Titus tunneled on Scorpious (town) a lot early, focused most of her attention on him, and almost completely ignored her scumbuddies whilst giving both strong town leans (She responds to a post made by Meuh exactly one time in the entire game). Unless she's changed significantly, I'd wager Titus and Roden are not scum together.

I don't get why Crescent picked Titus and Roden out of my PoE and tried to argue they aren't scum together. This kinda makes me feel like Roden is scum? SS/Roden/Crescent?

Also the only thing that sticks out to me about pisskop right now is that stretch from #350-#359 feels flailing. #355 feels like a very awkward reason to throw shade on someone. Calling things "weird" a lot seems more like it'd more likely be some kind of character trait than a serious tell. It felt like there was this train of strung together thoughts more for the purpose of discrediting Black than anything else, and the vote felt really weak when it came down.

This is the start of a very long and drawn out push on pisskop. I don't think Taly is scum here

Anyone else down to vote off Crescent for these super long posts?

I am never gonna read that much, no lie.

If you're gonna be lazy then don't play. I haven't made anything I'd consider a remotely long post yet.

This could be theatre but idk...

Anyone else down to vote off Crescent for these super long posts?

I am never gonna read that much, no lie.

If you're gonna be lazy then don't play. I haven't made anything I'd consider a remotely long post yet.

Yea but yours just go on and on with no formatting. Wasn't being serious, tho

Why do I need formatting to write two short paragraphs?

It doesn't really feel like theatre but I could be wrong

I guess if it's Crescent/shadow or Crescent/Roden then she might not want to be on the same wagon as them. I'm not sure why town!Crescent wouldn't have voted for Titus yet despite her ISO suggesting she clearly doesn't trust her

Pisskop has done worse. Pisskop's ISO screams "I'm not actually trying to solve, I'm just trying to look like I am", whereas Titus feels more like she's just made excuses. The other difference is that I've also already pointed out that the scum Titus I dealt with was quite a bit more aggressive than the Titus I've seen here. She feels lazy and I don't know what lazy means for her. Titus is "I need more information to figure her out", so I pressured her to give a response. Pisskop is "This guy looks like scum coasting in plain sight".

As far as Shadowez has gone, I admit the guy has flown completely under my radar and I should probably give him a look. I don't have any real lean on him either way right now.

I don't see Roden asking for examples of him freezing in another game like his last post suggests. I don't need examples of him freezing in the past to seee he's freezing here. There's no interaction w anyone else's posts.

My experience with Roden is "Fairly low poster who doesn't post fluff". That's what I've seen here so far.

What about him seems "frozen with no interaction"? The two posts before he voted you, he responded directly to Drew and to Gob.

I don't really like Crescent arguing with me here and trying to turn my attention to pisskop after I suggest her/Roden are paired

As far as Shadowez has gone, I admit the guy has flown completely under my radar and I should probably give him a look. I don't have any real lean on him either way right now.

This is basically how I feel about him too

This feels cheap and easy.

Let's play a little game: Who actually is on your radar?

This feels like a softball question to SS

What makes you think they are town? A quick iso shows what I could term as 'mediation' and not really anything I can pull up later and say 'yup, this is what SS thought'

I agree that SS has done little that I would say warrants a town read, but...

You're doing the same thing you just called him out on, and you've been doing it all day. That combined with the fact that you seem to dodge everything is why I SR you.

You asked me to look at some recent games of yours, but you ignored me when I asked which ones. You're also ignoring another train. Shadowez has been a hot topic for days, and has 0 appearances in your entire ISO. Meanwhile, you're sitting on a splinter vote you're making no effort to push.

I agree that SS isn't townie, but... yeah this reeks too

And the rest of Crescent's iso is basically pushing pisskop

I think it's probably Crescent/SS/Roden based on this. I want to look at Gamma's iso next

[Black]

im not the vig
i did not form my own opinion about whether saying so is wise
but i will probably wait until i have an opinion before placing a vote
i think i'll have that before the sun returns to taunt me

Hmm. We need the vig to claim here I think

[Taly]

YIKES

YEAH

that last sentence from

crescent

is very damning, and it makes me think

crescent's

mentality wsa strictly to go after townies rather than their own partners

ok we can flip

SS

[Taly]

gob

please put

SS

to E1, thank you

[Alisae]

Psyche might be vig and might have just posted that because he didn't wanna claim it yet.
Give him some time to think about things ig

[Black]

I kinda think Smart is town

Roden what was this read about lol

[Alisae]

honestly if I was mafia I would not be writing off psyche!vig just yet

[Alisae]

Look one of {Gob, SS, Roden} is going to have to not scumside because holy

[Black]

Gamma's iso didn't give me much

thoughts on p5

town folks
pisskop (Taly)

probably aight
davesaz

suspicious
Gob
Black

I think it's a little weird that she doesn't have a read on Roden here

Dave votes feel fine so far

hmmm why was this?

Titus's reasoning here doesn't really feel pure. The only way I could question if there are enough points for a legit Cop claim would be if I were a 2 point PR myself and assumed the scum took no abilities. The reason for voting me doesn't check out

There was an or in that statement. Pretty convenient you left that out.

Your "you might know he's town" reasoning feels better and I can't really argue against you there. I'm just not sure why you included the second reasoning

I feel this. There's 3 points to start with, plus I don't think I've ever seen scum skip recruiting traitor, so that's a default extra point, so if Black was a 2 point TPR a cop still could have existed?
pk I think makes a similar point further down on p6

Top quote kinda feels like a softball to Roden

I think it's just Roden/SS tbh

[Black]

I think gob might actually be town here

[Alisae]

I think gob might actually be town here

I can believe he's scumsiding quite easily

[Taly]

gob

stop scumsiding, thank you

<3

[Black]

I don't want to fade SS until he shows up and says he's not the vig

[Taly]

fair

[Black]

Also I looked at these iso's assuming Alisae isn't playing us here, which is probably possible? But I'm willing to believe they are town

[Taly]

If there is a wolf on, it may be Taly.

I was a bit confused with their late pop in yesterday, felt very weird.

every fiber of my being wants to

violently

dunk on this

[Black]

Alisae why should we rule you out as scum here