Open 891: STDBINSBICACOT (Game Over)

[Black]

Meh

[Black]

UNVOTE:

[Black]

I don't understand why scum would hit Dunn over Dann here if Dann is town. I don't think a single person in the game scumread Dann while Dunn was in multiple solves

The answer is Dann is probably just scum

why would scum kill me if i was tunneling shadowez

black

please god if you're town here I need to have an actual talk with you

This feels townie

I think I want to vote gob or Roden

I kinda feel like gob knew there wasn't a cop in the game so he felt comfortable claiming it

[Black]

@gob why do you townread Roden?

[Black]

I don't think it's Roden.

@gob why do you townread Roden?

I'm not townreading Roden, but I think they get scumread early because of their avatar.

Can you elaborate why you don't think Roden is scum and why you don't consider that stance a townread?

[Black]

VOTE: gob

[Black]

I think gob has been scummy and I think the Cop claim could indicate he's Informed

I'd be ok with a Roden fade too

[Black]

VOTE: Roden

For Titus and Dunn!

[Black]

I actually have a green check on Roden.

Do you like hearing yourself talk

[Black]

Hi

I still want to fade Roden. I don't think he has done anything particularly townie and two dead townies thought he was scum

Not the strongest case ever but here we are

[Black]

too amped to meme

anyone want to give me their POV on the

dunn/titus/shaddowez

trio?

Shaddow was probably a vig shot since he was the leading wagon D1 before Titus got modkilled

No clue why Dunn got killed but he was one of the few people that suspected Roden so there's that

[Black]

I was leaning town on Drew. Not really sure what I think of Psyche since he replaced in

[Black]

UNVOTE:

pedit

too amped to meme

anyone want to give me their POV on the

dunn/titus/shaddowez

trio?

Shaddow was probably a vig shot since he was the leading wagon D1 before Titus got modkilled

No clue why Dunn got killed but he was one of the few people that suspected Roden so there's that

do yuo think the

dunn

NK was meant to mislead, or what other purpose comes to mind?

i dont think leading wagon is too substantial, ill have to ISO

shaddowez

to understand why he was suspected.

It could have been to mislead, sure. I can see Roden coming in saying something like "why would I kill someone that suspected me" though, so it's hard to tell

[Black]

how does the claim imply an informed POV in your mind?

If the Mafia chose the Informed ability then they would know there isn't a cop in the game and could safely claim it

[Black]

What was the last complex though you had

[Black]

It's a legitimate question

[Black]

There is no depth in your iso

[Black]

VOTE: Alisae

[Black]

I was leaning town on Drew. Not really sure what I think of Psyche since he replaced in

There is no depth in your iso

Would you say Psyche's ISO has depth or not?

There's a couple posts that indicate he's thinking about the game deeper than surface level. I took a second glance at your iso and you have a couple as well

[Black]

actually fuck this i have no idea what's going on UNVOTE:

VOTE: black
maybe it is just black

You were right in the first quote at least

[Black]

Why do I feel town

[Black]

Also after looking back, I find it funny that Black is riding Dunn's last minute read on me so hard even though she hard scum read him and kept arguing with him for the entire Day phase

I didn't hard scumread Dunn

[Black]

black

i want to townread you but you having a pool large enough to guarantee almost half is town is really giving me a pause

What do you think my pool is

[Black]

Black - if I think they're trying to kill town then I want to flip them because it doesn't seem like they're trying to be right

I haven't been as invested since the whole Titus thing but I don't think voting for potential townies is scum indicative

[Black]

black

i want to townread you but you having a pool large enough to guarantee almost half is town is really giving me a pause

What do you think my pool is

roden, me, dannflor, gob, alisae

from what IVE read in less than 10 pages of this game.

like at least 2/5 are town and i townread

gob/alisae

so this isnt far-fetched

I think Dann could be town and I'm not sure about gob. You're a question mark too but I think I lean town here. You're right about Alisae and Roden though

[Black]

I'm of two differing minds with Black and I'm trying to eliminate counter thoughts by re-reading her and making her spew. Black how do you take this information?

It certainly seems like you're trying to solve for my alignment. I'm not sure why you would tell me you're trying to make me spew instead of just doing it though. I don't really think your hyper posting would be necessary in this game state if you were scum. Like I think you could just blend in and coast like the majority of the list

I'll try to put more effort in and reread pisskop's iso to come to a better conclusion but for now I'm ok calling you town and looking elsewhere

[Black]

damn im skimming

crescent

ISO and im really feeling for

pisskop

Can we get more thoughts on Crescent

[Black]

I'm here to chat as well

I need something to get me back in this game

[Black]

Maybe this is a mistake but 870 felt like such a desperate plea that I would be surprised if it came from scum!you

[Black]

I don't fully trust you but I feel like if I don't narrow my pool down then I'll never get anywhere

[Black]

I think you are just someone I am always worried is deepwolfing me lol

I'm willing to believe you are town here

[Black]

it also had crossed my mind that the Dunn kill maybe implicated you, Black

like I think you're a likely night kill candidate as town and Dunn really isn't, so maybe scum!you wouldn't want to kill me and make yourself stand out more

Do you think Dunn could have gotten killed because of his reads? You and I were pretty wrong with some of our D1 solves. I was tying shaddow and Titus to Crescent and they both flipped town

I think the Dunn kill could implicate Roden

[Black]

I still think dave is probably town

[Black]

Also after looking back, I find it funny that Black is riding Dunn's last minute read on me so hard even though she hard scum read him and kept arguing with him for the entire Day phase.

Like this is so far from the truth and it implies that Roden isn't paying attention to my slot at all. Normally I feel like this type of misrep would more likely come from town but this post comes right after Alisae starts mulling over whether or not I could be scum and it just feels like shade to push that thought forward

[Black]

I think Crescent was his main townread but why would scum feel threatened by someone that townreads them? Why do you think he could have been a PR?

[Black]

I think scum generally are more likely to take out people with correct town reads when those correct town reads could be in the lim pool otherwise

I mean you were pushing crescent pretty hard d1 along with others so taking out a defender of that slot if you're scum and crescent is town makes sense

i don't specifically think dunn could've been a PR but I imagine scum could've gotten a read like that on him

Oh I see, I thought you were saying one of his townreads took him out and you wanted to look there

[Black]

and like from scum!crescent's POV it doesn't really make sense to kill one of your defenders when you've got a couple loud attackers on you

I agree, but if scum thought he could be a PR then that would probably override the "he's defending one of us" mindset

[Black]

I mean you were pushing crescent pretty hard d1 along with others so taking out a defender of that slot if you're scum and crescent is town makes sense

Wouldn't it makes sense for me to push Crescent at some point today if I were scum taking out her defenders?

[Black]

I only mentioned Roden as a deepwolf because I haven't actually read his slot, I've only read the people reading his slot to determine he's town.

This doesn't track with your 879 at all

[Black]

We're getting into semantics here. I am basically townreading Roden, but I haven't actually read him. I am townreading him (for now) because the amount of people who have shaded him (and nobody except me coming to his defense) makes me think he is town.

Ok I think I see what you're saying. I guess I interpreted you saying "I don't townread him" as "I don't think he's town"

[Black]

I'm not saying your scum

I'm operating in a world where we are town pushing mis elims

Idk why I can't read today but I understand now

[Black]

So maybe someone neither of us pushed is scum?

Could be Psyche or Alisae just based on this assumption

[Black]

Could also be Dave. What was your read on him D1? I'm not seeing it in 659

[Black]

people town leaning gob is weird

i feel like he should be hard town or hard scum lol

Damn I feel called out lol

I still think gob could be scum but I'm willing to give him a pass for now

Gob is operating somewhere between troll and tryhard and he keeps going back and forth between the two. I'm not really sure what to make of that

I still think the cop claim could indicate he's scum with the Informed ability. Or it could just be him not caring about a possible counter claim which is definitely possible

He's hard to read. Why should I hard townread him?

[Black]

Gob why did you retract your cop claim with the reasoning "no one believed it anyway" when it was pretty clear that at least a few people believed it?

[Black]

I can't help but read that as you trying to justify why you weren't the NK

[Black]

I can't help but read that as you trying to justify why you weren't the NK

What? I dont even understand the logic here. Why would I ever have been the NK?

If scum thought you were the cop then it would make sense to take you out no?

[Black]

i think gob has far more depth of play in this game than they usually do as scum

it's not impossible they are informed ascetic scum pulling a gambit but i kinda of assume that will become clear with time

This is kinda where I'm at except I don't have much gob meta to go off of. He was scum in the game we played recently but he was caught pretty easily so I could see that causing him to try a little harder this game

[Black]

I will try to take a look at that later tonight

[Black]

Wagon Roden with me?

VOTE: Roden

[Black]

I'm one of the best wolfers alive. Just assume I'm town cause if i'm wolf you have no shot of catching me.

Yeah but are you 5-0 like me?

Also gob why do you have no interest in reading Roden? I feel like you should since at least two of your townreads are leaning scum on him

[Black]

Dave you have been pretty quiet wrt Roden. What are your thoughts on his slot?

[Black]

I'm one of the best wolfers alive. Just assume I'm town cause if i'm wolf you have no shot of catching me.

Yeah but are you 5-0 like me?

Also gob why do you have no interest in reading Roden? I feel like you should since at least two of your townreads are leaning scum on him

I have read Roden's slot and a good portion of his posts. Just not gonna iso cause i can tell he isn't wolf based on how easily he's been faded by everyone with no defense. He could be traitor I guess, but i would rather hit a real wolf anyways.

The Roden wagon has never gotten more than like 3 votes so I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you expect scum to just openly defend him when there's no real pressure there?

[Black]

I still won't scumread Roden though since what I've seen I think has been good. I think Roden is a loner-type player.

What specifically have you seen from Roden that you like

[Black]

I still won't scumread Roden though since what I've seen I think has been good. I think Roden is a loner-type player.

What specifically have you seen from Roden that you like

Fr? you want me to go back and look and shit?

I mean yes, but should you really have to go back and look if this is an opinion you have?

Earlier you said you don't townread him but you don't think he's scum based on people pushing him and him not getting much defense. Now you are suddenly saying what you have seen from him looks good?

[Black]

Also I have no idea how you have the gall to claim "misrep" when you DID scum read Dunn and you DID argue with and discredit him throughout Day 1

I didn't scumread Dunn. It was at most a scum lean that was much closer to null. How could you possibly interpret that as a hard scumread?

We argued for like 6 posts so to say we argued for the entirety of D1 is pure misrep

[Black]

Black is just annoying and keeps trying to gaslight everyone about her reads. I had no real intention to vote her out today until she pulled that shit.

How did I know you would get annoyed yet again at being scumread

[Black]

Can we just fade Roden here. I'm tired of this dude

[Black]

damn im skimming

crescent

ISO and im really feeling for

pisskop

Can we get more thoughts on Crescent

[Black]

Can we get more Black votes I think they really just gotta go

Like I think if Black is a wolf things just make sense

What's your case?

[Black]

Oh ok

I don't think you'll get the votes you need with that case but good luck

[Black]

^ This is how you do it Alisae

[Black]

Black's entire case is based on Dunn scum reading me near the end of Day 1 and then getting killed. This is despite her arguing and disagreeing with Dunn while he was alive, and Dunn having no real voting power while he was around and also being suspected by the majority of the player list. Nobody was openly town reading Dunn.

Yet somehow, Black believes this had to be my highest priority target as scum. Not a highly town read player, not an influential player, not a potential PR. And THEN my scum buddy/buddies also have to agree with me that Dunn is the correct kill but then refuse to defend me, even though the entire point of the kill is to raise my survival rate.

This is not a thought process that makes sense.

Why couldn't Dunn have been a potential PR?

I think there's a chance you're town here but if you are then you have spent the entire game pushing townies because they made you mad by voting for you. You're a liability

[Black]

I voted Alisae earlier to make her play, which she did

I'm voting Black because it's a full on OMGUS vote

I want to kill Psyche, but I can't get the momentum going

Why is Psyche scum?

[Black]

Black is a powerful she's gotta go

a big scary powerful powerwolf

Willing to bet teh game on black being a wolf

No need to worry boo. I'm town

[Black]

if you flip town i'll townread you

Ok bet

[Black]

Drew's posts were unimpressive and lacked any kind of passion or drive

Psyche then replaced in and then didn't really do anything, even though other slots that have replaced in have been putting in effort to solve and sort people

What has this slot done to be townie?

Let's hold hands and wagon Psyche together

[Black]

VOTE: Psyche

[Black]

So maybe someone neither of us pushed is scum?

Could be Psyche or Alisae just based on this assumption

Damn maybe it's just both

[Black]

Why is gamma scum

[Black]

_{why is gamma scum}

[Black]

I'm kidding. I'll let you cook ig

[Black]

VOTE: Alisae

VOTE: Alisae

VOTE: black
maybe it is just black

Why do I feel town

reading in real time you felt townie but if I think you're trying to kill town then you could be mafia

I think this progression from Alisae is strange. They scumread me here because they think I could be trying to kill townies, but why don't they apply this same thought to Roden? Roden has pushed Titus and shaddow (two townies), me (someone Alisae thought felt townie), and Alisae themselves. If they are town then why would they not be of the belief that Roden is trying to kill townies too?

Instead they say Roden is probably town which indicates to me that Alisae is either scum pushing a fake thought progression or they are town making up reasons to fade me. Either way that's not very promising

Looking at Alisae's iso it feels weird that their early readslist in 489 has Roden as "either town or scum with Crescent". They then follow this up with 491 saying they don't have a read on Roden. They're still townreading me though

They say Crescent can be either alignment but when the wagon shifts from shaddow to Crescent, Alisae urges the voters to go back to shaddow (644) and when I ask them to help me fade Crescent they respond with "shaddow is a wolf"

There doesn't seem to be much consistency here. Ali started the day wanting to fade within Roden/Crescent but had since abandoned that thought and is now townreading Roden for having an "interesting POV"? And they are pushing me and "willing to bet the game" that I'm scum for reasons that should apply to Roden, and could apply to themselves as well (which if they're actually town should indicate that it's not scum indicative to push townies)

It just feels like their reads aren't very real and I have a feeling that they're scum. I think Crescent could make sense as a partner and Roden is probably just spewed town due to Alisae not applying the same logic to his slot. Their read on Roden feels more informed than buddy trying to save buddy, and it would make sense for Ali to try and shift her stance on Roden here to pocket him and try and get him to help fade me

VOTE: Alisae

Alisae/gamma/x

[Black]

black's posting continues to leave a bad taste in my mouth after reading p10

Did Alisae tell you that you should start scumreading me more in the PT?

[Black]

okay 1328 is a wolfpost black wants to look ironclad in that post she doesn't want to be right

I want to be right more than anything here actually

[Black]

VOTE: Black
I'm high on adrenaline rn and feeling it

So much for waiting to vote til you caught up lmao

Black (4) - Alisae, Roden, Taly, Gamma Emerald
Something_Smart (3) - davesaz, Dannflor, gob
Alisae (1) - Black

Not Voting (2) - Something_Smart, Psyche

Come on let's make it happen

Trying to flip me while I'm asleep? That's cold

[Black]

VOTE: black

Damn I had a bad feeling you could be the third

[Black]

Alisae/gamma/Dannflor

Flip these in order after I die. I'm VT

[Black]

I'm town but I'm not playing your little game

Fade me

[Black]

It's the middle of the night and I'm on mobile in bed but I don't think town!Dann would actually vote me here

The taly vote is ??? especially since he said I'm voting close to consensus when there's only like 2 people that would actually vote to fade you today. His whole post feels like an over justification to vote me

The gamma vote is scummy too but I haven't been able to shake the feeling that Crescent was scum. The way Dann has defended this slot makes me think they could be partnered, but Dann telling me "I can't believe you haven't reevaluated your Crescent read" makes me think he could just be informed she's town? Not sure how to determine which is correct. I might just be full of confbias here

So taly/Dann. Not really sure who the third could be

[Black]

If u can convince me on something then u can live

For the record I'm not trying to convince you of anything but I did want to put some thought into it before I die

My reads change as town all the time and my accuracy is super low. I don't know how you managed to get a wagon going but congrats ig

[Black]

Nah I don't think I'm wrong on you. If you're town then why would you not scum read Roden for wanting to kill townies? Do you understand why I'm feeling this read is fake?

[Black]

VOTE: black

davesaz is still scummy

This is just a wolf. I would be shocked if Dann flips town here. This turn on me is scummy as hell

[Black]

That's really my most confident read out of this. Gamma could be the partner if it's not taly

[Black]

VOTE: Dannflor

[Black]

I can see gamma/dann if ur town find me a 3rd

If I were scum I would definitely choose Recruiter so I would imagine there's some associations. But like I said my accuracy is not good and I can't seem to figure out how to trust people and that makes my reads fluid. Why would you even trust my reads here?

[Black]

The third is probably someone like Gob or SS

Gob's most recent posting about Roden feels slimy and informed. Like he went from saying "I don't think it's Roden" D1 when a wagon was forming there, to saying "I don't townread Roden" to "I haven't read him but I think he's town because of the way he's being pushed" to "I've read him and his stuff feels good". This read feels all over the place. And yeah I still can't shake the feeling that he's got the Informed role with the cop claim but again that ties into never being able to fully convince myself of anything

SS just exists but most scumteams need a lurker I suppose

[Black]

You can still fade me if you want. This game is hard and I'm clearly not very good at it when I'm town

[Black]

Why is it not taly though

[Black]

well now we have to kill u since u claimed vt

Your vote pissed me off more than any of them. If you're actually town I'm super disappointed

[Black]

I voted you because your ali case was scummy

Why though? My thought progression on her read on me being fake is pretty clear and no one seems to want to tell me why it's scummy, just a bunch of naked votes. Why are you so selective when it comes to giving analysis? Remember your case on me D1 when I was scum? Why don't you put that much effort into every game you play?

[Black]

Dude no shot you are just removing me from the solve all together lmao. You were willing to fade me while I was asleep

[Black]

Timing? You mean after everyone backed off Ali and they got multiple townreads?

And you've seen me push in a vindictive manner as town before on multiple occasions so I'm having a hard time believing this thought didn't cross your mind before you put me at e-1

Like why would you work with me and even pseudo defend me against Roden if your read was so fragile that one post made you ok fading me?

[Black]

Dude no shot you are just removing me from the solve all together lmao. You were willing to fade me while I was asleep

sigh

if you are town this is mini normal times all over again

Like you were convinced i was scum because i kept changing my mind on BlackStar

I don't trust your AtE is real anymore

i am trying to be correct so i will change my mind as many times as it takes for me to be correct

Conviction is not something that comes easily to me

THAT'S WHY I WAS BEING WAGONED. WTF?

[Black]

You're really going to sit here and try to fade me over an issue that you apparently have as town too? Dude

[Black]

VOTE: Dave

Why not Psyche though?

[Black]

Roden why are you trying to wagon someone you townread

[Black]

It's the town read I feel least confident about since I based it on early content

I don't see any momentum for Psyche atm and I don't have a solid case, the stuff I brought up before has already been contested

Do you think he's more likely scum than me?

[Black]

Black why don’t you want to go dave

Because I think you're scum trying to run everyone up to a claim without any care who gets faded. You're trying to find the PRs

[Black]

Besides that, if I count out my town reads then that means the entire scum team resides in Black/Taly/Psyche/Dann and that doesn't seem correct

You should wagon Dann with us here if you're town

[Black]

Black why don’t you want to go dave

Because I think you're scum trying to run everyone up to a claim without any care who gets faded. You're trying to find the PRs

Can you talk about your read on dave

No

[Black]

It's the town read I feel least confident about since I based it on early content

I don't see any momentum for Psyche atm and I don't have a solid case, the stuff I brought up before has already been contested

Do you think he's more likely scum than me?

I don't think you're scum

Can you help me understand why you would want to wagon a weak TR instead of someone you don't TR at all?

[Black]

Why Dave over Dann here

[Black]

Oh lovely, the sedative only put me away for 4 hours and not 9.

I should be returning to bed but I want to give the past 2-3 pages a good eye.

If there's less desire for the wagon I'm open to hearing alternatives. My mind behind the

black

vote is partially to help me solve the slot better and nothing much has changed from them since.

That's cap because you townread me earlier. The only thing that changed since then was a wagon formed on me. So I'm scummy for being wagoned ig?

[Black]

but the votes move closest to general consensus than one may think and its devoid of townhunting

Explain this

How are slots like Ali, Roden, and Dann "close to consensus"

[Black]

I just question the sincerity of your reads because you have a new solve consistently and I can't tell if that's a lack of good faith or playstyle.

Since when has fluid reads and lack of conviction been a scumtell?

[Black]

I think scum!black has a little more consistency

I am learning

You should have already known this. You had me figured out before this game which is why your shifting read and vote on me isn't believable from mypov

[Black]

I just question the sincerity of your reads because you have a new solve consistently and I can't tell if that's a lack of good faith or playstyle.

Since when has fluid reads and lack of conviction been a scumtell?

Since when could it not be a scumtell? What I'd your perspective of this game as a whole?

It can be but you townread me earlier, so why would you suddenly SR me and want to fade me for doing the same thing I've done all game? Make it make sense

[Black]

VOTE: Gamma

[Black]

I'm going back to sleep

[Black]

Taly if you will indulge in a little self-meta what does your wolf game look like compared to your town game

[Black]

That's not a bad thought SS

We dont need an opinion of Gob's role to read gob's play.

I think we should read him as if he were a vanilla, and ignore the claim ftm

This was pisskop's reaction to me saying gob is kinda scummy but we should let him live. It kinda feels like he wanted the scumread to go somewhere

[Black]

Meta is usually never worth discussing. Especially someone talking about their own meta

I literally asked him for it XD

[Black]

I don't think every post has to have super solvey intentions behind it. I like to make people talk. Having someone discuss their own meta may not do much but I'm genuinely curious what people think of their own playstyles

[Black]

Are you done scumreading Roden?

I don't really know what to think anymore

[Black]

I still want to fade Gamma but I'm down to wait for her to read

The only issue is the deadline is a little under two days and she might try to do this for the rest of D2

[Black]

I don’t like to vote before I am reasonably caught up but you can’t have really known that so that interpretation is valid

VOTE: Black
I'm high on adrenaline rn and feeling it

I still hate this progression

[Black]

gamma/davesaz/something_smart?

i should stop trying to team solve it is addicting but also bad for you

Felt

I figure if I try enough eventually I'll be right?

[Black]

A little over 24 hours left and I don't see any reason to abandon the Gamma wagon atm

[Black]

Feel like its not Gamma here.

Why

[Black]

Gob what makes you feel like it's not gamma

[Black]

Well we have time. Let's not rush on Gamma everyone.

Although i guess we don't have much time actually. Like 2 days

Just don't hammer early

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Psyche

I will place this here for now. Still fine with Gamma being wagoned, but no sense in piling on.

Feel like its not Gamma here.

Really not liking this progression tbh and 1531 feels LAMIST to me

[Black]

its because im campaigning for

gamma

fade

im a big scary powerwolf

black

everything i do is subject to fear

Really wanted gob to answer on his own but cool ig

What is with the V/LA tag if you are going to be just as active as before

[Black]

This is like the 5th time I've shown suspicion on gob and people come in and immediately shut it down

[Black]

Let’s kill gamma

What is your read on gob?

[Black]

Like man Alisae and Dann were both lurking/not here and as soon as I say one thing about gob they come in and shut it down

What the frick

[Black]

I'm down to fade gamma but I think gob probably flips red regardless of gamma's alignment? Like I can see him both defending her and being informed that she's town here

[Black]

Ok

[Black]

I was just throwing it out there lol

So there's no reason why you feel like it can't be her? You're just saying it to say it? What's the point?

[Black]

I was just throwing it out there lol

So there's no reason why you feel like it can't be her? You're just saying it to say it? What's the point?

I like saying out of pocket shit to see what people say

What were you hoping to get out of obstructing the gamma wagon? Like specifically what type of responses were you looking for and what do you think about how I responded?

[Black]

I think tonally gob feels completely different than the scum game we played together here, so I'm willing to believe he could be town. I think there's a chance he's scum with someone like Dannflor who was also in that game and has gotten some kind of coaching on how to not seem as scummy this game, but it's a stretch and I'm not sure if that's the world we live in

[Black]

I'm jealous of your confidence. I'm not confident about anything

[Black]

i don't get why everyone thinks davesaz is towny tonally

i don't get why everyone thinks davesaz is towny tonally

alt slip

you're cute

[Black]

I don't think it's Alisae

Why would they need to bus Gamma like they did?

[Black]

I didn't get the chance to comb back through the thread and look for Crescent/Gamma associations but I do remember thinking Crescent and Roden were paired D1

I want to spend some time looking through things tonight or tomorrow whenever I get the time

[Black]

I don't think it's Alisae

Why would they need to bus Gamma like they did?

Hey can I have your vote

Probably but can we not rush it please?

[Black]

I don't think it's Alisae

Why would they need to bus Gamma like they did?

Hey can I have your vote

Probably but can we not rush it please?

I'm just going to save you the time and energy and say we're in auto

What is auto

[Black]

If gob is saying it's SS then it's probably not SS lol

[Black]

It's probably just Roden/gob or Roden/SS right

Which means we vote Roden?

[Black]

Psyche are you the vig? Probably no harm in confirming yourself town at this point

[Black]

Alright I have some time now, I'm gonna see if I can find any clues in Crescent/Gamma isos

[Black]

Ok, this is a game that is dominated by a few high posters while others are doing absolutely nothing, like Alisae. She has three posts, and no content, and possibly the single laziest vote in the game.

Almost all commentary revolving around Dave feels superficial, especially the votes. He feels like a topic that exists for the sake of being a topic. Dunnstral has basically done nothing of any relevance at all, but he's gotten votes out of it. The votes on both of them feel cheap and not really based on solving.

Odd sequence: Titus votes Black. Drew votes Black. Roden calls Titus and Black both town, and Gob says he doesn't like Roden. Drew then responds to Gob saying he also doesn't like Roden. Shortly after this, Black votes Roden. Titus changes her mind and votes Roden, and Drew immediately asks her why she's backing off on Black.

What Drew never provides however, are his own reasons to suspect Black or Rodon to begin with. He just sheeps people onto both of them, and then he questions why the first person he sheeped changed her mind. It doesn't feel like a natural town progression at all.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Speaking of Gob, they feel like they're on crack, is this normal for them?

Shadow and Something feel like they're staying on the sidelines and only making fringe comments. Almost all of Dann's posts focus on Dave. All of them are low posters. These are three people I would like to see something more concrete from going forward.

I feel like throwing SS in at the end here could imply they're partnered. The old "I would like to see more from them" line. Saying gob is on crack would be funny if gob is scum

The problem stems from the fact that his only source of "content" in the game: When he's coasting off of other people's scumreads in the same sequence. His vote on Black was naked and never explained later, quickly following a post where he complained about the activity. His response to Gob saying he didn't like Roden was again naked, in the very next post after Gob, and never explained later. He then deflects his own lack of content by questioning Titus, when he's already indicated he believes she moved the vote from one person he dislikes and onto another.

He has done nothing to suggest he had a genuine read on Black or Roden. The fact that his vote didn't move from Black to Roden doesn't change this.

Looks like someone has never seen my scum game.

I didn't like how Black came off with her interaction with Titus so two things were in play here. One, I needed to do something to thrust myself into the game and two, I almost always will sheep Titus as long as I don't think she is scum. And ya I didn't like Roden's posting right after that, but didn't feel the need to change my vote at the time.

If, as Titus is kinda suggesting, if Roden and I were buddies I am almost guaranteed to switch my vote to them at that point. And I am not going to switch to them because the person I am currently voting is asking me to lol.

Helping you out here Crescent, a little intro to TownDrew with an added bonus of a little smidge of how scumDrew plays.

Glad I could be of assistance.

Pre Edit: Ali not feeling like playing is totally townAli lol

Self meta is something I oddly respect because I do it a lot myself. I haven't played here in like a year, and I've only ever been in one game with Titus and zero with you. (I think I've been in three with Roden and the guy has been shot night 1 every time). This sheeping thing feels like something Titus could easily confirm or deny. I deal with a player elsewhere who virtually always sheeps another specific player.

My own bit of self-meta is I'm used to much faster paced games than this (48h day/24h night), so I tend to completely drown out the games I play here with post count, and I'm trying to pace myself so I don't do it this time around. Also I don't pedit on principle, as it doesn't exist the way I'm used to playing. I actually think it's a really cheap mechanic because I think it's the player's responsibility to know what's been posted before they hit post themselves.

I have decided that I don't townread Something_Smart and for lack of a better read I'd be willing to eliminate them based on a feeling that they have a lot of neutral posts and not a lot of opinions beyond not liking what I did and asking davesaz for clarification.

VOTE: Something_Smart

Not a bad vote. Responded to me calling him out for making too many neutral sideline comments with a neutral sideline comment.

This makes me feel like SS is scum too. "Not a bad vote" kinda reeks

Also I have a specific read on Gob's.. Behavior, but I don't know if it's something I should share at this time.

Not sure what to make of this comment

Currently I want to fade within {pisskop, Roden, Titus, SS, shadow}

For Titus and Roden to both be scum essentially requires everything Titus has done towards him to be theater at a mostly inactive scumbuddy right after he calls her town, and for her to have consistently prodded said scumbuddy for days. Given the exactly one game I ever played with her a long while ago (where she was scum), I feel like I remember her being tunnely towards a specific town member early, whilst basically outright ignoring her teammates for the most part.

And looking up that game, MN2272. Titus tunneled on Scorpious (town) a lot early, focused most of her attention on him, and almost completely ignored her scumbuddies whilst giving both strong town leans (She responds to a post made by Meuh exactly one time in the entire game). Unless she's changed significantly, I'd wager Titus and Roden are not scum together.

I don't get why Crescent picked Titus and Roden out of my PoE and tried to argue they aren't scum together. This kinda makes me feel like Roden is scum? SS/Roden/Crescent?

Also the only thing that sticks out to me about pisskop right now is that stretch from #350-#359 feels flailing. #355 feels like a very awkward reason to throw shade on someone. Calling things "weird" a lot seems more like it'd more likely be some kind of character trait than a serious tell. It felt like there was this train of strung together thoughts more for the purpose of discrediting Black than anything else, and the vote felt really weak when it came down.

This is the start of a very long and drawn out push on pisskop. I don't think Taly is scum here

Anyone else down to vote off Crescent for these super long posts?

I am never gonna read that much, no lie.

If you're gonna be lazy then don't play. I haven't made anything I'd consider a remotely long post yet.

This could be theatre but idk...

Anyone else down to vote off Crescent for these super long posts?

I am never gonna read that much, no lie.

If you're gonna be lazy then don't play. I haven't made anything I'd consider a remotely long post yet.

Yea but yours just go on and on with no formatting. Wasn't being serious, tho

Why do I need formatting to write two short paragraphs?

It doesn't really feel like theatre but I could be wrong

I guess if it's Crescent/shadow or Crescent/Roden then she might not want to be on the same wagon as them. I'm not sure why town!Crescent wouldn't have voted for Titus yet despite her ISO suggesting she clearly doesn't trust her

Pisskop has done worse. Pisskop's ISO screams "I'm not actually trying to solve, I'm just trying to look like I am", whereas Titus feels more like she's just made excuses. The other difference is that I've also already pointed out that the scum Titus I dealt with was quite a bit more aggressive than the Titus I've seen here. She feels lazy and I don't know what lazy means for her. Titus is "I need more information to figure her out", so I pressured her to give a response. Pisskop is "This guy looks like scum coasting in plain sight".

As far as Shadowez has gone, I admit the guy has flown completely under my radar and I should probably give him a look. I don't have any real lean on him either way right now.

I don't see Roden asking for examples of him freezing in another game like his last post suggests. I don't need examples of him freezing in the past to seee he's freezing here. There's no interaction w anyone else's posts.

My experience with Roden is "Fairly low poster who doesn't post fluff". That's what I've seen here so far.

What about him seems "frozen with no interaction"? The two posts before he voted you, he responded directly to Drew and to Gob.

I don't really like Crescent arguing with me here and trying to turn my attention to pisskop after I suggest her/Roden are paired

As far as Shadowez has gone, I admit the guy has flown completely under my radar and I should probably give him a look. I don't have any real lean on him either way right now.

This is basically how I feel about him too

This feels cheap and easy.

Let's play a little game: Who actually is on your radar?

This feels like a softball question to SS

What makes you think they are town? A quick iso shows what I could term as 'mediation' and not really anything I can pull up later and say 'yup, this is what SS thought'

I agree that SS has done little that I would say warrants a town read, but...

You're doing the same thing you just called him out on, and you've been doing it all day. That combined with the fact that you seem to dodge everything is why I SR you.

You asked me to look at some recent games of yours, but you ignored me when I asked which ones. You're also ignoring another train. Shadowez has been a hot topic for days, and has 0 appearances in your entire ISO. Meanwhile, you're sitting on a splinter vote you're making no effort to push.

I agree that SS isn't townie, but... yeah this reeks too

And the rest of Crescent's iso is basically pushing pisskop

I think it's probably Crescent/SS/Roden based on this. I want to look at Gamma's iso next

[Black]

im not the vig
i did not form my own opinion about whether saying so is wise
but i will probably wait until i have an opinion before placing a vote
i think i'll have that before the sun returns to taunt me

Hmm. We need the vig to claim here I think

[Black]

I kinda think Smart is town

Roden what was this read about lol

[Black]

Gamma's iso didn't give me much

thoughts on p5

town folks
pisskop (Taly)

probably aight
davesaz

suspicious
Gob
Black

I think it's a little weird that she doesn't have a read on Roden here

Dave votes feel fine so far

hmmm why was this?

Titus's reasoning here doesn't really feel pure. The only way I could question if there are enough points for a legit Cop claim would be if I were a 2 point PR myself and assumed the scum took no abilities. The reason for voting me doesn't check out

There was an or in that statement. Pretty convenient you left that out.

Your "you might know he's town" reasoning feels better and I can't really argue against you there. I'm just not sure why you included the second reasoning

I feel this. There's 3 points to start with, plus I don't think I've ever seen scum skip recruiting traitor, so that's a default extra point, so if Black was a 2 point TPR a cop still could have existed?
pk I think makes a similar point further down on p6

Top quote kinda feels like a softball to Roden

I think it's just Roden/SS tbh

[Black]

I think gob might actually be town here

[Black]

I don't want to fade SS until he shows up and says he's not the vig

[Black]

Also I looked at these iso's assuming Alisae isn't playing us here, which is probably possible? But I'm willing to believe they are town

[Black]

Alisae why should we rule you out as scum here

[Black]

what does this game look like if

dann/black/ali/roden

are all town hmmm

alisae/gob/dann/black

so this is all town right

Not Confident

Something_Smart

davesaz

Psyche

Roden

Confident

Taly
Dannflor

Alisae
gob

Black

Gamma Emerald

Taly why do you think Roden is town and why does your confidence drop on him around this point?

Also it doesn't feel like you are very confident in town!gob anymore

[Black]

Ok Alisae can be town and if they are playing me then they probably deserve the win

[Black]

I'm down to fade SS but I don't see any benefit in doing it less than an hour into the Day

[Black]

vibes, thought their frustration to you was genuine, but that might be NAI tbh

yeah im thinking about gob more tbh, im not a fan of their opener today thus far

That's fair

[Black]

I like Crescent's intro, she's typically readable for me for so I'm happy with this replace in

Drew feels super lackluster

Titus seems scared...??

I could see Roden townreading his buddy here but this might be conf bias

[Black]

Like why would town!Roden say Crescent is typically readable to him and then not mention Crescent a single time after that?

[Black]

Ok I actually missed two mentions of Crescent after that. Whoops

Well now that Crescent has claimed I think it makes even more since to fade her today

Only if we think they are mafia.

At least 3 of us do

I don't think we should run anyone else up to a claim so I'll probably be parking my vote on Crescent

Like the fact that everyone saw this and thought "yeah this is a townie thought process that townies tend to have every game" is earning so much side eye right now

Early VT claims historically come from town and that isn't exactly hidden trivia

Roden defends Crescent here and also shades me after I say it makes sense to fade Crescent

I really wish Dunn didn't die, that was pretty much my only lock town read

do you have any other somewhat-townreads? and what was the basis of you townreading

Dunn

?

My reason for town reading Dunn will probably make his eyes roll to the back of his head in the dead thread. He was active and engaged with the game right from the start and never dropped his activity. Scum!Dunn tends to drop off and focus more on quelling the suspicions of people who scum read him.

My town leans atm are Crescent, Dave, Gob, and Smart.

Does scum!Roden townlean both of his partners here? I don't see why not really. It gives him an excuse not to push them, and he was never really in danger of being faded iirc

[Black]

roden

townreads partners

crescent

pushes townies

SS

is

SS

it is a cohesive effort there.

hmmmmm

Is this a meta read on Crescent and Roden? I haven't played with them before

[Black]

Regarding 684 I can definitely see Roden getting frustrated that I'm parking my vote on Crescent and try to shade me there

[Black]

VOTE: Roden

[Black]

Roden isn't getting frustrated with me here because he knows he's caught

It doesn't track with his frustration in 1251, 1283, and 1284

If this frustration were real he would be exasperated that I'm pushing him yet again

Instead he's just ignoring me

[Black]

If Roden is scum here then he uses AtE in a pretty disgusting way so I actually hope he's town

[Black]

Black, chill for a bit and help me convince Alisae to do the bare minimum and explain her reads

Nah I'm good

[Black]

K, then remember who threw in the post game

No offense but if you are town here then you did nothing all game but push townies and defend scum

I didn't do much better but at least I was right about some people

[Black]

Roden you're stuck in a tunnel bro drew does NOT react to Crescent the way he did if Drew is a wolf Drew came across as extremely pure and uninformed

Do you think Roden is town?

[Black]

Hmmm. Gob is the least likely out of the 3 to me, but like I said my accuracy can be pretty bad

You say that if we keep talking then we give the wolves more info but maybe talking will be helpful here. I'd rather not fade any more townies if possible

UNVOTE:

[Black]

Like it just has to be SS right. The Crescent interactions were so bad

[Black]

BLACK

What did I do

[Black]

We can keep it that way. We don't have to talk about stuff that will help them. We just need to make them talk

[Black]

Gob might be frozen tbh

[Black]

The thing about gob is he's not even trying to solve. Like at all. When he was scum recently he was solving like crazy to stay alive. His scum game looked nothing like this. Do we think gob is someone that can change his meta up so effectively?

[Black]

I kinda wanna fade Roden and call his bluff

[Black]

I'm glad you shit Dann because his sudden turn on Crescent/Gamma felt pretty sus lol

[Black]

Shot*** smh

[Black]

I kinda wanna fade Roden and call his bluff

you can wait a day phase can't you?

You're the leader and confirmed town now so whatever you say I'll do

[Black]

Why bet on

Psyche

and not

Black

or I?

You two first. You're very townie, I towncleared Black after pushing her.
Drew is very pure and Psyche is also townie and kinda pure. Drew reacted naturally to Crescent. Was never flipping there if that slot flipped wolf.

How did you think I would react to your push if I were scum? Just curious

[Black]

Why bet on

Psyche

and not

Black

or I?

You two first. You're very townie, I towncleared Black after pushing her.
Drew is very pure and Psyche is also townie and kinda pure. Drew reacted naturally to Crescent. Was never flipping there if that slot flipped wolf.

How did you think I would react to your push if I were scum? Just curious

I kind of don't want to answer this tbh

Grrrrrr understandable lol

[Black]

If gob is scum then that means Dannflor activity tried to talk me out of fading TWO different scum on multiple different occasions lmao

[Black]

Actively** my phone is killing me rn

[Black]

Lol

black

we strugglin

[Black]

mafia's pr is probably an ascetic informed?
sounds like the kind of thing SS would pick up.

Yeah and this would explain Gob being comfortable claiming Cop early

[Black]

Well there is no cop so he knew he could fakeclaim it

[Black]

I got N1'd as vengeful before that was pretty lol

Yeah and you KILLED ME smh

[Black]

VOTE: SS

[Black]

Odd in confusing null way

You gonna prot me?

vote davesaz because im already voting there

okay

VOTE: davesaz

Odd in confusing null way

You gonna prot me?

Prot?

Protection. Don't actually answer.

Gob knew there was a BG lol

[Black]

Well we have time. Let's not rush on Gamma everyone.

Although i guess we don't have much time actually. Like 2 days

Just don't hammer early

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Psyche

I will place this here for now. Still fine with Gamma being wagoned, but no sense in piling on.

Feel like its not Gamma here.

Feel like its not Gamma here.

Why

Why not

I was just throwing it out there lol

So there's no reason why you feel like it can't be her? You're just saying it to say it? What's the point?

I like saying out of pocket shit to see what people say

This is just a Gamma buddy right

[Black]

SS/gob probably yeah

[Black]

Psyche or Roden come hammer this

[Black]

Ayyy we did it!

[Black]

GG everyone and thank you Suki for modding <3

[Black]

Yeah I feel good knowing I was right about Crescent and Gob at least

I can't really comment on the setup and balance. Seemed fine from my narrow POV

[Black]

Alisae and Taly kicked my ass, props to you two. Will have to get better

Wdym? They both townread you until the very end

You played a decent TWTBAW game fwiw. You had a lot of people fooled

[Black]

Yeah taly replacing in turned the tide, and then Alisae taking over near the end really sealed it for us

Great work ya'll!