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[DragonEater70]

y u no make bbmolla nice green color

smh smh fr fr

[DragonEater70]

i like where nurse is going though - people who have fought against now-scum flips are worth shining a light on

So are you saying Nurse is right in pushing you?

[DragonEater70]

myself who i townread

That made me laugh

confession: I only started laughing AFTER writing it made me laugh though.

[DragonEater70]

So don't pay attention to associations when it comes to voting?

I did not say that at all

But fighting tooth and nail againt an obvious lim is a practice most scum players try to avoid. I know JV did it in Mini 2311, but that's because they knew they'd be mech guiltied if Ducky flipped (which they were), so it's a bit unusual.

[DragonEater70]

and snivy who i do not townread.

Can you elaborate on your Snivy read?

there were people arguing against the enchant lim but they honestly largely seemed to be arguing in earnest?

Why is this relevant? We know for sure none of the people arguing against Enchant lim are scum since we know 2 dead scum of each team. So obviously Enchant can't be teamed with any of the living players if they are scum.

EBWOP:

myself who i townread

That made me laugh

confession: I only started laughing AFTER writing it made me laugh though.

the confession made me laugh because hard same

lol.

[DragonEater70]

EBWOP was supposed to be pedit

Oh well.

[DragonEater70]

I have no idea clue how to read Snivy. Like this is not his scum meta (he's not frozen and he's posting pretty freely) but I feel like I expect more insightful reads from town!snivy. I did a really quick associative dig and came up with a big ol' shrug. I can deep dive and come out with a case one way or the other if we want but literally nothing would surprise me and I just think I'm more interested in doing other things at the moment.

This also puzzles me.

The people arguing in earnest are more important to answering your question, than to reading Enchant right now. Like in the heat of that moment it already felt like they were arguing in earnest.

WDYM?

Pedit I see

So you think Shadow is last blue scum?

[DragonEater70]

Quick Gob ISO:

If not you then one of these is probably the wolf teammate with dave

Do you actually think I can be Dave's teammate when I have been the one leading the wagon on him?

You have not been leading shit dude lol, I have been the one leading the dave wagon.

And yea its possible Dave told you to bus him since he knows he won't be around for long.

yeah this post isn't a towny post

also I'm not sure how you've been leading the dave wagon

??? I was the one who pushed Dave yesterday. I have definitely been the most vocal person against dave.

LOL

??? I was the one who pushed Dave yesterday. I have definitely been the most vocal person against dave.

Your ISO checks out

good catch

The better catch was Dragon Eater as scum with dave. Dave told Dragon to bus them.

Even more LOL.

I just did this with the T3 iso so I may have missed a quick vote unvote but I think that's more accurate anyway.

Blue Mafia

CatScratchFever: Enchant(ZZZX)->

Hu Tao

->

iamveryhappy

|

Hu Tao

||

StD

-> No Vote -> davesaz || Enchant -> davesaz

Red Mafia

Klazam:

Flavor Leaf

->

Hu Tao

-> No Vote ->

CSF

Okay, I actually can see why people think Enchant is scummy. I think this looks a lot like mafia distancing from CSF.

I don't think this is distancing, I think this is shading meant to somehow look towny / create an alternative wagon.

bbmolla and dave is prob maf v maf

interesting.

Okay, I think the teams are

Naerys + Dave
Enchant + bbmolla

@shaddowez
@davesaz
@Enchant
@bbmolla
@naerys
@pisskop

What you guys think?

Crackpot: tagged shadow because felt scum partner needs to interact as a way to distance.

That's a very....strange.....list of people to ask about your scumteams also - you're asking the 4 people you're listing if they think they're scum and then me and pisskop, while completely ignoring at least 3 other players....why those specific ats?

I wanted to see it from everyone I listed + whoever I could think of off the top of my head.

Just for reactions.

Yeah this feels like a forced interaction.

[DragonEater70]

Duck it, I think I will just hammer because I have some real life things to do and I don't see a point dragging this out

Any opposition to me hammering?

[DragonEater70]

Fine

intent to hammer

I won't hammer until the worst posts their readlist and shadow posts some game developing content.

[DragonEater70]

btw if Ducky and Enchant aren't blue scum, they are CLEARED AS TOWN, since they can't be red scum judging by yesterday.

PLEASE NIGHTKILL THEM AND NOT ME if shadow flips blue. Thanks.

[DragonEater70]

Doesn't change the fact I want contentz from la shadowman.

[DragonEater70]

Enchant you aren't using emojis so I can't answer you.

[DragonEater70]

Will you vote shadow

Use emojis please, I don't understand Letterese.

[DragonEater70]

btw if Ducky and Enchant aren't blue scum, they are CLEARED AS TOWN, since they can't be red scum judging by yesterday.

PLEASE NIGHTKILL THEM AND NOT ME if shadow flips blue. Thanks.

???

[DragonEater70]

I'm just traitor signaling to Enchant what to do, obviously.

[DragonEater70]

mmm on reflection. as a language accessibility thing we should probably translate these messages.

mine was just

i won't write ever again

Fine. Mine was:

Temporal Lich died so Temporal Lich is confirmed town

If shadow dies and flips blue, Enchant is confirmed town

Dragon is not confirmed town, so Dragon won't be killed

Naerys is not confirmed town, so Naerys won't be killed

I want Enchant to be killed so I won't be killed and I can defend Naerys (from being mislimmed)

So this was all an elaborate pocketing attempt on Naerys.

[DragonEater70]

FL do be like that.

[DragonEater70]

Well I'm letting shadow respond first so I'mma only hammer on Monday.

Also turns out Biancospino existed at some point in this game and wasn't completely stiff like she is when she's scum, so I'm willing to call pisskop town for now.

Pedit what do you mean reads based kill?

[DragonEater70]

bob´s reaction on me suspecting felt towny, but one never knows

I thought we were allies this game.

I am literally making sure neither of us gets shot tonight so I can protect you from a mislim, and then you say this to me?

[DragonEater70]

Im willing to trust dragon. Its a lot of effort for a show if scum

Awww thanks

[DragonEater70]

If they kill u then how am i supposed to convince others that i am not scum? this is basically game over

What happened to this?

[DragonEater70]

No no Ducky you don't get it. I am obvscum here and will be 100% the lim tomorrow.

So there's no point nightkilling me, ya?

[DragonEater70]

i lied, i'm a cop, and i have a guilty on dragoneater70 but also know that he's d6 limproof so let's kill him tomorrow

Spoiler: dragon only, nobody else click this

how'd i do?

Spoiler: for Ducky only, please don't open if you're anyone else

Well right now if you are mafia I will gladly lose to you since that would mean you won.

That's how well you're doing.

Can u stop trolling

No

[DragonEater70]

Serious question though:

Enchant I feel your slot is dangerously null. Any chance you can give your current reads, as well as your reasoning for hammering Dave and what were your reads yesterday?

[DragonEater70]

I won't out my opinion on you.

Why not?

Why not

Good reason

They were bad.

Relatable (not for this game but in general)

[DragonEater70]

Due to several questions, I would like to clarify the rules.

If 1 Red Mafia, 1 Blue Mafia, and 1 town are alive at the start of the day then the Red and Blue Mafia joint win. In addition, if 1 Red Mafia, 1 Blue Mafia, and no town are alive then both mafia teams joint win too.

Wait than what's even the point of having separate mafia factions???

[DragonEater70]

Also this makes me paranoid about Dragon and his wish of not getting NK

Naerys

The only reason I want not to be NK is so I can protect you from mislim

Feel free to lim me and then get limmed tomorrow lol.

[DragonEater70]

all the bunch of things shadow said

VOTE: enchant

[DragonEater70]

He is certainly much more easier target to go after than Dragon, for example.

Uhhhhh what

Random Nurse BITES when you vote him

I normally just snarl angrily and hope enough people TR me to not get limmed.

[DragonEater70]

Well you are welcome to share your read on me lol

[DragonEater70]

and since i don't think a lot of people here have a great meta on me they would know

How does this even make sense, regardless of the rest of your sentence?

in fact thats probably a towntell for me

I actually a gree with this, knowing Snivy and having read his 2 scum games he linked

However I fear he could've gotten better since then. And I'm also running out of PoE.

Anyway Enchant is the better lim, being survivalistic and simultaneously refusing to scumhunt.

[DragonEater70]

Dragon got rapid exactly when he learned that i may dislike him so there's that.

Oh cool

THanks for the read

UNVOTE:

[DragonEater70]

You make no sense.

From an outside pov I see why Dragon voted you there. He asked for your read on him. You are the only dissenting voice if you scumread him, which is highly important. You gave a vague non-response, which looked like cognitive dissonance --

1) You aren't convinced Dragon is town (this is a big deal bc everyone else is convinced)
2) You aren't bothered to go into your read (you don't see it as a big deal)

I don't know if this is exactly how Dragon reasoned it, but from my pov I was confused about the idea that you could have both of those thoughts at the same time

Well actually the thing was, that on Day 5 Enchant was voting with me and Naerys and maybe someone else on davesaz, and then suddenly said this:

I suddenly realised that i sit pn wagon with people i don't really townread

VOTE: Random Nurse

Hey hi

This really pinged me as something scum!Enchant would do (I have seen scum Enchant do something very similar in the past), but I figured it would be better if I got Enchant's read on me and Naerys before I decide it's scummy, because if the read is consistent then maybe town!Enchant could also do it.

And well, the read does sound consistent so meh IDK about Enchant.

Is there anyone here who's actually willing to effort and read ZZZX's posts for something AI? Because I feel it would be too much of a headache for me.

[DragonEater70]

Continue lying.

Oh I guess I misremembered then

in that case who weren't you tring?

[DragonEater70]

we should organise a labyrinth movie night post-game

Wow for a moment I thought you were referring to

Pan's Labyrinth

rather than

Labyrinth

and was on the verge of policy voting you for having a horrible taste in movies.
But apparently

Labyrinth

is a good movie so nevermind all of that.

[DragonEater70]

Sorry but

Horror/drama is not a good combination of genres. And even less so when combined with fantasy and Spanish Civil War.



But anyway, do you think I should just bet on voting shadow? I mean we clearly don't have investigative roles and I keep going back and forth on you and Enchant and there's no much evidence for either being a better lim (except Enchant literally claiming scum at EoD but that's apparently forgivable).

[DragonEater70]

camelCasedSnivy (3): shaddowez, Enchant, pisskop

I'm not sure why shaddow is voting me but I'm just going to ignore it because I'm already voting shaddow

I'm also not sure why enchant is voting me and I just assumed it was some pressure thing, and pisskops reasoning is pretty bad as well

It's awesome that at this point in the game you're a) pretty much admitting you're not actually even trying to read the game, and b) instead of trying to do anything to help town, just trying to discredit everyone on your wagon

I agree it's pretty fucked up Snivy is doing that tbh but I've yet to find a way to make him not do this kind of thing. Like he was literally pushing me in a game where I had mechanically 98% chance of not being scum and was the person doing the most solving, AND HE WAS TOWN.

we should organise a labyrinth movie night post-game

Alright, I kind of have to TR you now.

On a more serious note, to answer what reads have changed for me: I no longer strongly SR you. I'd still say you're in my PoE, but that's because my only strong TR right now is pisskop.

My theories for scum are:

{snivy, enchant}

{Nurse, Naerys}

You and dragon both seem to be towny at this point, but still rereading when I get chances.

Uh why is snivy blue? I thought he had more red scum equity. Could you walk me through this?

[DragonEater70]

But i am not going down without a fight so i am going to leave this here:
Snivy + dave
Enchant+ TL or gob idk i need to look at this

@shaddowez this isn't the best quote for it, but I don't think Naerys is aligned with Dave. Her read on dave across her iso just felt earnest to me - like she was sceptical of him, but gave him chances, but also didn't let him off when he underdelivered.

it doesn't feel like bussing to me, but it also doesn't feel like Naerys is scumreading Dave while also knowing that she is scum with Dave.

it's hard to explain succinctly (I'm on a break at work), but her associatives with Dave don't feel like they're coming from a scumbuddy to me. Did you have any thoughts on this?



i think my townread on nurse is a bit ethereal but if there's anything in particular that makes you suss him for red i'd love to hear more about that too

Btw this post makes me want to just trust fall into ducky's arms, but I can't let go of the suspicion that he's holding all sorts of sharp weapons and is just waiting to stab me.

[DragonEater70]

Remind me to ask for your favourite films after the game.

Isn't that what my GTKAS is for?

Will this hit scum? I think so. Is it a good lim? Yes. Am I 100% confident? Heeecckkk no.

Aaaahhhh why are you so rational hereeeee

I hate people being rational because my instinct is to TR it even though it's actually NAI and a personality trait (though being IRRATIONAL is definitely scummy a lot of the time, depending on context ofc).

I'm going to take this as a compliment on all fronts. Luckily I very much doubt we'll need to worry about each others' prickly pockets here.

This is not helpinggggggg

Ducky, you snuggly monster, this level of pocketing not acceptable! I demand you cease at once!

I'd still vote with your heart here tbh this gamestate is just chaotic enough that magic might happen

Fair, the thing is that my heart is currently telling me to vote everyone who's not called Naerys, Dragon, Nurse or Ducky (you see what you have done? Your pocketing worked!)

[DragonEater70]

Honestly at this stage I feel like this game has devolved into me and the worst going back and forth and talking about whether we should lim Enchant or shadow, and I am not even sure an Enchant wagon has support, so unless all of you are going to change your mind I'm fine with a shadow vote.

I want the hammer though

[DragonEater70]

Yes I am going to vote shadow, after someone else votes him.

[DragonEater70]

hahahahaha

snooze and lose dragon!

Noooo

That's what I get for trying to focus on work and not play mafia on my phone

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Enchant

For stealing my hammer and making me look bad in VCA.

[DragonEater70]

Just note that this is still in effect, Mr. Red Scum:

btw if Ducky and Enchant aren't blue scum, they are CLEARED AS TOWN, since they can't be red scum judging by yesterday.

PLEASE NIGHTKILL THEM AND NOT ME if shadow flips blue. Thanks.

[DragonEater70]

vote for fast night

[DragonEater70]

R u joking?

I told red scum who to kill conditionally on blue scum dying

So if blue scum dies that means there's only 1 mafia left and I can't even coordinate with anyone.

Also, you were the first one who coordinated kills

[DragonEater70]

Also I fucking hate the idea that scum can win together because that's not even multiball.

Well I am also a hypocrite

[DragonEater70]

I prefer scum shooting each other rather than avoiding to shoot each other.

[DragonEater70]

I said mafia should shoot you if all other mafia are dead! That's not the same thing.

[DragonEater70]

Anyway can everyone else also vote for fast night? Thanks

[DragonEater70]

Btw Ducky what games do you play other than FTL?

[DragonEater70]

WDYM no one died?????

[DragonEater70]

um I think I just want to kill Enchant or Ducky if shaddow is town.

VOTE: Enchant

[DragonEater70]

ORRR maybe Snivy?

[DragonEater70]

WDYM no one died?????

On night 6, no one died.

What happens if both scum target both player? The kill goes through as usual, right?

[DragonEater70]

Yeah either some doctor/roleblocker fake claimed, or both scum targeted each other with a Roleblock, or both scum shot Nurse for no reason.

[DragonEater70]

I think both scum no-killed.

Why the hell would they do that though

[DragonEater70]

Oh yeah I forgot they can win together

So this is basically 5v2

[DragonEater70]

Oh wow

damn this is even worse than a 5v2

Enchant why are you explaining your strategy though?

Oh also I think scum!Enchant 100% points out that they were voting with their partners in the VCA. OTOH, I don't know that scum Enchant would actually just vote with partners like that.

[DragonEater70]

UNVOTE:

FINE

I see merit to no limming since then we can have a slightly better chance of limming scum, theoretically.

Though I'm concerned scum just killes me and Naerys which doesn't result in any improvement in the EV.

So I'd rather not since if we do lim scum today then at least it's a 1v4 tomorrow instead of 1v2 (if we no lim and let scum kill 2 ppl today).

Pedit: are ayou actually thinking that me and Enchant were signalling to each other? It would be incredibly stupid for scum!us to do something like this.

[DragonEater70]

I know game meta is to no elim in MELO and that this is pseudo-MELO, but in this scenario we can prevent ELO tomorrow by voting scum today instead of tomorrow and honestly I don't think no limming today helps our EV that much. Especially if scum coordinate so only one of them kills.

Pedit:

[DragonEater70]

I love how Enchant just keeps explaining how scum's play makes sense from the viewpoint of Enchat!scum.

[DragonEater70]

Okay I think there was scum on shaddow, pretty obviously.

pisskop you wanna analyze the wagon's formation? I'm honestly too lazy to do it.

[DragonEater70]

Enchant

[DragonEater70]

Naerys why can't you just be pocketed. Please explain.

[DragonEater70]

Bcz i want town to win?

Town will win if you don't vote obvtown Dragon, just saying

Not that you ever voted me so I am not even sure why I'm arguing with you.

If we nolim and mafia kill two townies, we will have only 1 chance and need to kill both in a row. But if they kill each other, maybe it work out better idk.

Yeah it's a dilemma, but I'm honestly not seeing scum killing each other unless the scum are like Naerys and pisskop, which just, not happening (it would be hilarious if it did happen though).

Just not a big enough sample size, but Ill post one up

No I didn't mean a traditional VCA, I meant like your own personal analysis of the wagon.

[DragonEater70]

to the people who think in chant is the best vote: do you think there quick hammer makes them look worse?

It is weird because I can see a scum motivation for both quickhammering and not quickhammering.

[DragonEater70]

Did you forget what i said previous day or not?

?

[DragonEater70]

Um

I'll be honest

Random Nurse's claim sounds KINDA CRAZY (as in, extremely unbalanced) with the fact that we have had 2 vigs and 2 roleblockers + 4 goons

But then again this setup is REALLY CRAZY (as in, not making sense), sooooooo....



Naerys! I will outsource my attitude towards whether Nurse claim is real or not to you! Do you believe the claim?

[DragonEater70]

Can you have your own opinion for once.

I had my own opinion when it came to scumreading Dave, scumreading Gob, townreading Naerys and townreading TLich

It's not my fault all of them died! (okay, it is my fault Dave died . But you get the point.)

I'm also right now reading previous days in an attempt to see if I townread Random Nurse enough to straight up believe this BONKERS claim.

Because if it's true then I wanna lim Ducky.

[DragonEater70]

Fine I think RN is town here because I can't believe he just 180 degrees his meta this game when he has shown consistently it's extremely hard for him to do so.

But I don't know if I believe the claim.

Nurse, can you PROMISE me this is a legit claim and not a gambit? Promise in the sense that if it is a gambit, I am being given permission to murder you in the post game?

[DragonEater70]

if Enchant and dragon are scum i swear i will go crazy

Either way both scum are probably in enchant-dragon-snivy-the worst

How do these mesh together?

[DragonEater70]

Rephrase that. As is what you just said makes no sense.

What Ducky is saying is that from his own perspective, he's town and knows that he's town. Therefore from his perspective, your JK was a protection of him and confirmed him town.

But from an outside perspective, the JK looks like a guilty.

I'll wait to see your trump card though.

[DragonEater70]

I'm actually 90% sure that Random Nurse is both town AND lying.

[DragonEater70]

How likely is it that both Scum targeted Worst?

If we assume that Ducky isn't scum, I'd say it's not immensely unlikely (not less than 1% or something), but not hugely likely either.

I mean if both scum had the thought process of "let's shoot someone who is town but who is unlikely to get shot by the other scum", then they would probably both hit Ducky.

[DragonEater70]

I don't mean to be egotistical but I think I'm a pretty good night kill. I do think Naerys & Dragon are better kills but I would've shot me last night.

This I agree with.

as in, you kind of already need to know I'm town for it to prove I'm town. which is not remotely useful lol.

Rephrase that. As is what you just said makes no sense.

it's kind of semantic.

world 1: because I know I'm town, i know there's a high chance I was shot & saved last night.

world 2: y'all don't know my alignment, so there's a question mark over whether I was shot by both kills, we split the kill, or whether I tried to kill someone

it's very weird living in world 1, but being aware everyone else is living in world 2. that's all I'm saying.

This, on a surface level, sounds towny, but I've seen scum!Ducky do this before so meh.

[DragonEater70]

This is the game in question: viewtopic.php?t=91568

Nurse do you agree that the above quoted post resembles Ducky's behavior after you voted him Day 3?

[DragonEater70]

Ah, the joys of Mafia, where you reveal your PR results and that you jailed someone and no kills happened that night, and the rest do nothing like it's no big deal.

Yeah I mean, that's nothing consequential at all.

Did you ignore the part where I asked you to promise you are not lying about your claim?

Also, IDK about the rest but I personally want to wait until tw is not hungover to hear what he has to say.

[DragonEater70]

I'm going to ask everyone to trust me that I am not a good lim!!

Catching up from this post

[DragonEater70]

And chill down everyone we have plenty of time to solve. So kindly please unvote for now.
Good night.

This i agree with

[DragonEater70]

- RN is focused on active roles, not passive roles, and in the process forgets to mention his BP in the list of town power. That is a slip.

- RN is fishing for investigative roles in a set-up which is very likely to have a protective role in it. (Ngl I assumed it'd be an odd night doctor or smth for the vig synergy).

- since this claim I have consistently put my read on RN as "he is town, i will not be voting him, he is town for meta and I will not be considering his associatives at this time". please contrast the way I have been reading RN with the way I have been reading everyone else.

I'm not sure what you are getting at, at all. Are you saying RN is a doctor and is gambiting by claiming JK? Or what exactly?

[DragonEater70]

you are correct, and fmpov its pretty clear RN has been hiding a protective or investigative role for a minute.

another quote incoming in a sec.

shaddowez (4 [E-1]): Random Nurse, the worst, camelCasedSnivy, pisskop

I think regardless of shadow's alignment, this list has all scum in the game.

Actually this is silly to ask Naerys since I know she TR's me and herself, so I'm basically asking if she thinks Enchant is town.

Oh well, I'll ask someone else.

Do you agree, Ducky?

Mmm like maybe. Probably? Maybe.

I really don't vibe with the scum!RN theory and every time I think about not yeeting Enchant I flash forward to the dark timeline where Enchant is scum and we've just flushed the game down the toilet but like I just can't bring myself to put Enchant at the top of my poe either.

So more accurately I think shadd/css/pisskop is a pretty sound POE. I get why you're not clearing me. Enchant is my wildcard before RN is my wildcard.

Lets get a general poe list from everyone and we can take out the common denominator

Ok.

Random Nurse.

is this your town list... I'm so confounded am I not seeing something here?

VOTE: Random

Im kind of here too. I think the final 2 maf are in [shaddow, random, snivy]

Why are you voting RN

VOTE: Random Nurse

Why are you voting RN?

I don't care what he writes now, if we both alive at elo, i just 1vs1 him. I don't really care what anyone say now.

if i'm alive in e-lo i will snap-hammer whoever is not RN

well ok. not literally. but like, rn is outside his scumrange and has been for a minute. i've recently won alongside town!rn & failed to manipulate town!rn. d1 & d2 of this game was rn's towngame to an absolute t, in a way that i don't think he finds easy to replicate. i get that there are small points for & against certain associatives, and i do think there's like enough that if scum had to try and misyeet RN they could probably put some kinda case together

it just wouldn't be that convincing. it's not just that RN doesn't have partners in this game, rn has played this game in a way that feels antithetical to what i've seen of his scumgame. i'm so sorry for bringing it up this late in the game but i'm still flashing back to psyche's "batman" call. like that is exactly the RN town thing. and this is it!

i'm willing to hear a case out but i'd need it to be a lot more convincing than anything i've seen here. naerys & dragons are clear to me based off associatives (like 99% blue, 80%+ red which is more than i'm giving most folks) so i'll concede they're harder townreads of mine right now. but rn is town because he is just not scum.

this is not an earnest townread in a multiball game with multiple flipped scum to farm for associatives.

So you are saying it's an earnest TPR read? And that not killing RN means you aren't scum?

well it's quite a good read on day 2 or 3 or something but not when we're facing down endgame.

Hm?

Worst, you can Townread me all you want—that doesn't mean you're not Scum.

Yep

I don't think you're picking up what I'm putting down. I am townreading you because I have had a hard TPR read on you for quite a while.

Would have approached this game quite differently if I was scum.

I also know you enjoy the "gotcha" so I don't like....intend to try and talk you away from having an opinion, like you are allowed to vote me, but I am going to put my case down for others to not vote with you and to vote for scum instead.

How would you have approached it?

Wouldnt be the first time RN lied about BP tbh

Yeah I was wondering when anyone got to talk about that. He also claimed BP in my game where you and tw also played.

Hu Tao (9 [E-2]): Cat Scratch Fever, camelCasedSnivy, Aisa, Save the Dragons, BBMolla, the worst, Flavor Leaf, Hu Tao, TemporalLich

I refuse to believe only one scum was on Hu Tao wagon there. Either Snivy or the worst MUST be scum or i will flip on my head
must be said that the worst positioning on this wagon is rather bad

What is his positioning?

davesaz (3): Cat Scratch Fever, the worst, BBmolla

the worst sitting with CSF for so long on dave is a sus
i could see the worst as blue scum

Yeah me too, but he is also very towny rn.

ngl i dont like RNs claim but im not sure with the claimed roles that something that powerful would be approved

Is this supposed to be a town post?

[DragonEater70]

I am still torn between Enchant- snivy- the worst as scums.

Honestly I think 90% of time, two of these are scum.

Maybe we just vote Snivy and hope that our analysis is correct and that only one of Ducky and Enchant could be scum.

But then again Ducky kinda slipped when he said that from an outside perspective he has to be maf who got shot and didn't consider the possibility of town being shot by one scum and the other holstering.

[DragonEater70]

Wow I think this game might legit last 2 months.

Sell me on Enchant being scum, Ducky.

[DragonEater70]

Can't wait to learn what trump card RN has.

Oh he still hasn't revealed it? damn

I am not voting until he reveals.

[DragonEater70]

Ducky pls link a completed scum game where you actually won

[DragonEater70]

Can you quote to it?

[DragonEater70]

Day 4 VC 4:

Cat Scratch Fever (6) bob3141, furtiveglance, TemporalLich, Naerys, shaddowez, pisskop
Enchant (4): Cat Scratch Fever, davesaz, the worst, camelCasedSnivy
davesaz (3): gob, Enchant, BBmolla

Not voting (1): Random Nurse

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2023-10-15 09:54:00).

With 14 alive it takes 8 to eliminate and 7 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES: I took my SAT today and my left arm is cramped af

This Enchant wagon looks quite horrendous

I am tempted to say that FG was killed for this which would make on of Snivy/Ducky scum

But maybe he was just killed for pushing Davesaz nonstop.

[DragonEater70]

Well that will take quite some time of digging.

I'll wait

[DragonEater70]

Every time I think about Psyche or StD being eliminated I get depressed

Who TF lims a freaking claimed vig? I don't care that Psyche is like 90% neg utility this game, it's still a claimed vig on Day 2.

Then again, who the hell thinks it's a good idea to fake claim a guilty on a random slot???

I want to cry.

Anyways, let's wait for RN to do his thing, then unless he has a hard guilty on anyone, I propose we lim Enchant, if Enchant flips scum RN must roleblock Snivy, if Enchant doesn't flip scum then RN blocks his best scumread (It's better not be Naerys, Nurse! You hear me???) and then we take it from there.

[DragonEater70]

Ducky pls link a completed scum game where you actually won

I'm curious about the trump card thing but I also have this potent feeling it's just going to make my life harder without actually changing anything,,

[DragonEater70]

I can do the deep dive if you'd like but I'll be doing the same process of digging through my completed games with a magnifying glass

Please do

I just want to know if you are capable of faking what you are doing right now.

[DragonEater70]

That's fair

I think that clears TW because he said he knew your claim was fake and would have killed you

I have to say that Jailkeeper + two town roleblockers is one of the weirdest setups I've seen, especially for a large multiball, but I'm just going to treat RN as an IC here based on meta.

I'm torn between voting Enchant for their constant AtE about how I should have limmed them yesterday, and limming Snivy who's always limbait but also like hasn't done any solving this game whatsoever as far as I can tell.

Snivy, do you want to like provide reads or do you want to be quickelimmed?

[DragonEater70]

That doesn't clear him AT ALL. You DO realize he can lie, right?

I do realize he can lie




but town!worst is pretty good at this sort of thing so I do believe there's no reason to think he's lying about knowing that.

[DragonEater70]

If anything it's extremely likely Worst attempted to perform a NK, which I stopped.

WHY do you not see this?

I meant on earlier days.

Anyway, yeah it's possible Worst performed an NK and was also an NK target

I really wanted to be town with ducky though

Let me sleep on it. I mean I'm just having flashbacks to the shaddow wagon right now.

[DragonEater70]

Y'all are actually split perfectly into two halves.

players who are spending time on this, questioning their assumptions, making sure they do the right thing because we are in fucking Yeetlo and they don't want to throw the game:
Naerys
pisskop
Dragon

Players who are looking for a reason to vote me, and ostensibly not following things through at a reasonable level:
Random Nurse
Snivy


shout-out to Enchant who bucked the obvious assumption so hard by voting RN that I think he's probably our last townie for it.

I'm pretty sure I have a solve though and I *get* that it's very easy for me to see that from where I sit but aaaahhhh

What's your solve?

I really hope Enchant isn't trolling because Enchant makes so much sense to me this phase

Are you unironically saying RN coyld be scum?

[DragonEater70]

Yall are seeing how RN is doing this right

This is not a guilty but he's deathtunnelling and lurking. He doesn't want to play this phase so he's gambiting and it's working.

He's posted meaningfully twice. Once was for his big reveal which is exactly what I've been saying for the entire game - he isn't evaluating alignments bases off things that are happening in the game he's just hoping y'all will yeet me. The second time was when I called him out on the way he handled the claim and then he magically appeared. This isn't someone who's found scum or even someone who thinks he's found scum he's just hoping I'll die quietly.

There's no sign that he's playing this phase in good faith and this is literally yeetlo. This is the time we need to evaluate every part of the game we possibly can and he's sacrificing that for a blind tunnel.

I don't know what yall aren't seeing this is not town

WHAT

THE

ACTUAL

FUCK????


Aren't you the one who claimed you had a 100% confident read on TPR!RN? And now when he actually claims TPR you push him?????

My dude, I like you but Nurse has townwold so many times this game and is OBVIOUSLY a TPR and I don't believe for a milisecond that scum!him could ever emulate his town play like this at all. He's DEEP in his town meta. RN would lurk and rep out eons ago if he were scum and you know that.

I agree that his actions have been anti town but like

If the setup is going to be 2 gated vigs 2 ungated roleblockers + 13 vanilla, I will be fucking laughing to death and question how the fuck DkKoba approved it. DkKoba isn't a troll reviewer.

/end rant

[DragonEater70]

Honestly I still question how Koba/Isis approved this setup but uhhh considering half of town's flipped roles are neg utility, a JK sounds like the MINIMUM that we should expect IMO.

[DragonEater70]

I'm leaning on a Ducky vote right now but I want to let him and others respond first.

[DragonEater70]

Woooooo

That's why you always sheep Enchant

like I did in Open 890

[DragonEater70]

Woooooo

That's why you always sheep Enchant

like I did in Open 890

I wonder if dragon would have voted me

No. Dragon wouldn't.

To be fully honest, I am not sure if I would or not. I was townreading Snivy by meta, but he had the exact same vibes in Open 890 where he was scum. I was scumreading Enchant, but just due to a misunderstanding. I think I would have done something like Snivy>pisskop.

[DragonEater70]

Woooooo

That's why you always sheep Enchant

like I did in Open 890

I wonder if dragon would have voted me

No. Dragon wouldn't.

To be fully honest, I am not sure if I would or not. I was townreading Snivy by meta, but he had the exact same vibes in Open 890 where he was scum. I was scumreading Enchant, but just due to a misunderstanding. I think I would have done something like Snivy>pisskop.

[DragonEater70]

Woooooo

That's why you always sheep Enchant

like I did in Open 890

I wonder if dragon would have voted me

No. Dragon wouldn't.

To be fully honest, I am not sure if I would or not. I was townreading Snivy by meta, but he had the exact same vibes in Open 890 where he was scum. I was scumreading Enchant, but just due to a misunderstanding. I think I would have done something like Snivy>pisskop.

Wait what I already posted that


I meant to post:

Sorry for repping out, but Chell did a pretty sweet job of wrapping out the game.

[DragonEater70]

Heads down to the worst and pisskop. You were tough scum indeed!

Agreed, neither was my first choice for scum, and I almost townlocked the worst like twice.

Also agreed about it being a pretty fun game.

[DragonEater70]

I do not regret white knighting Naerys but I am sad she could not be pocketed.

[DragonEater70]

This wasn't an amazing setup but I was actually very happy with how it played out, I liked the balance between dayplay and nightplay.

Yeah, I feel people have been a bit too harsh on you.

But I knew balance wise RN had to be the real thing, the reviewers aren't crazy enough to just have 2 vigs and 2 roleblockers.

[DragonEater70]

No redactions needed. I was super surprised to roll scum in back to back return games, but at least in MB it was an opportunity to legit scumhunt for half the scum.

Literally 90% of my scumread on you was "huh it's exactly the same playstyle as in his other game", lol.

[DragonEater70]

Happy scumday Enchant

[DragonEater70]

Can we nominate this entire game for Kodak moment?

[DragonEater70]

was there a dead thread?

viewtopic.php?p=13903604#p13903604 - Dead
viewtopic.php?p=13903608#p13903608 - Blues
viewtopic.php?p=13903609#p13903609 - Reds

Mod PT?

[DragonEater70]

we should organise a labyrinth movie night post-game

Ahem.