With 12 players alive, 7 votes will achieve a lynch.
Deadline for Day 1 is January 3.
If i understood it correctly, then i agree. day 1 don't try to find both scum, or use connections to be able to lynch someone. after the first lynch and night kill, then you can go back and look to see how certain people reacted to certain things, knowing two peoples alignment.Zakeri wrote:Welcome Xofelf.
here's some food for thought. Let's entertain the idea that Blondesowut really is inexperienced. Here's what she's trying to tell us:
1. That Appassionista might be scum because he's generally staying quiet.
2. That Yorgi might be his scum partner because they ignore each other.
of course both of these could be true, but it's too early to tell if either of these things are affected by their scumminess, or if they just haven't gotten around to posting much. Plus, Day one Scum partners almost never work out in a pro-town manor. It's best to find individual things and pin them on a single person. Linking to previously flipped scum is merely a bonus.
Well, duh. And the benefit to the town is that we’ll eventually find out who the mafia are by process of elimination. And while the town can win even if it loses all our powerroles, the mafia can’t win if it loses all their members. You’re not considering both sides of this.StrangerCoug [116] wrote:<snip>
The benefit to the Mafia is that they'll eventually find out who the vig is by process of elimination.
This is a very odd thing to say. I can’t think of why you care, or why you think the mafia care that much whether the mafia roleblocker is blocked. They get slightly less information, but that’s nothing to do with whether the real vigilante is dead or alive. Really curious where you’re going with this.StrangerCoug [cont] wrote:The odds of the town roleblocker hitting the Mafia roleblocker isn't very high mathematically and I fear that the vig shooting real bullets will be found and even possibly dead before the town RB locates the Mafia RB. Which is why the consensus is that your idea is bad. The Mafia want the actual vig dead before the Mafia RB is blocked himself, do they not?
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How on earth do you think that this answers “StrangerCoug [cont] wrote:The pushy ultimatum. Again, being pushy is scummy.
1) What does that have to do with anything?StrangerCoug [cont] wrote:<snip>
While I'm at it, prove that it mattered to me that your ultimatum was against Natirasha.
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So part of your case against me you admit is invalid?StrangerCoug [cont] wrote:<snip>
For me to attack this, therefore, is invalid.
Did you have any doubt that she was “acting”? And, ignoring the voice that BSW has chosen, what of her play do you consider “stupid”? On the contrary- as Zakeri points out, she’s communicated 2 observations she’s made. (And I’ll go farther, and say that that’s not dependent on whether BSW is or isn’t really inexperienced, as Zakeri prefaced.)Appassionata [146] wrote:By Roleplaying did you mean that BlondesoWut is "acting" his "stupid" play?
Actually, with a little more thought: Natirasha. Still not going to yet, but his play just is out-and-out more suspicious than SC's.EmpTyger [154] wrote:Not sure whether I’d switch to SC or Natirasha
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The thing wrong with this arguement is that BSW jumps to the conclusion that Apass isn't talking about Yorgi, therefore they must be scum partners. I believe this isn't a very sound generalization as the same could be said about some other people (Nat, chensi, afatchic).BlondeSoWut wrote:I swear I think Apass is in the mafia! Hes doing exactly wut I would if I was in the mafia.
And if hes in the mafia so is Yorgi. He doesnt talk about Yorgi at all. He wants town peoples lynched. Hes not gunna waste his time on the other mafia peoples.
Great, anything to add.Nat wrote:Oh hey, I forgot about this game.
Yet there's nothing substantial backing up your saying so.BlondeSoWut wrote:Caboose Im only saying Yorgi is in the mafia if Apass is. I said so in case I die before Apass.
You've been accusing me since just after random vote period...for barely any reason.BlondeSoWut wrote:I like Zakeri! He listens to mee!
Nat you arent helping us by saying you forgot the game. What do you think of it so far??
Elf, Hi! Who do you think is in the mafia??
Caboose Im only saying Yorgi is in the mafia if Apass is. I said so in case I die before Apass.
Why not?SC wrote:When two people are pretty high on my scum list, them both being innocent is simply not something I think about.
Only scum WIFOM? Is that so?Caboose wrote:And don't bring up WIFOM either. It's just something that only incompetant scum would do.
Alright, could you explain that to me in more detail? i'm not entirely sure how you got that.Nat wrote:If we have 4 claimed vigs, one is scum.
If we have 3 claimed vigs, the roleblocker acts as a doc-cop to the other 9 players.
If we have more than 4 claimed vigs, we essentially win the game because the mafia is retarded.
okay let's see if i understand this correctly you've agreed with BSW and you've thrown someone else into the mix, correct? then why haven't you YOURSELF looked into them?Zakeri wrote:I think the point of her post was "Why not Appassionata and Chenhsi?" Frankly, I sort of agree, and I would like to throw afatchic into that mix as well.
But would that necessarily work in the town's favor? It's possible, isn't it, for someone's reaction to be misinterpreted? Just a thought.afatchic wrote:If i understood it correctly, then i agree. day 1 don't try to find both scum, or use connections to be able to lynch someone. after the first lynch and night kill, then you can go back and look to see how certain people reacted to certain things, knowing two peoples alignment.
How will it be impossible? I'm not sure i understand where you're coming frommrfixij wrote:Granted, if blonde is going to continue this train of play, it will be impossible to get a scum or towntell on her using that logic.
Okay i know you've received hell for that but i have a question. Doesn't massclaiming hurt the town in the end no matter what? Does it ever work the way it's supposed to?Tyger wrote:I’m considering an immediate massclaim of vigilante/not-vigilante. Still tihnking through, but the way I see it:
1) We force the mafia to claim before they have a strategy.
2) The mafia don’t learn the identity of our powerroles. (The real vig is masked in 2 “vanillas”, the roleblocker is masked by 5 vanillas.)
You have a point there but don't people in the town make mistakes in judgment? Or realize that they misinterpreted something? Just a thought on my partyorgi wrote: Also EmpTyger gets the point I'm trying to make about your post on Nat. You say he is scum then defend him. What kind of person does this that is town?
Note that the quote is taken completely out of context. When I said "it's just something that incompetant scum would do" I was refering to the question of whether scum would fakeclaim vig in a mass claim.xofelf wrote:Next CabooseOnly scum WIFOM? Is that so?Caboose wrote:And don't bring up WIFOM either. It's just something that only incompetant scum would do.
The short and sweet answer is that it's their job, not mine, to prove their innocence. Me thinking about them both being innocent also doesn't fit with my aggressive play style. In theory, I could have a knife at everybody's throat, but I am rarely set off by an entire game. But if you want someone lynched, you push and push and push.xofelf wrote:Why not?SC wrote:When two people are pretty high on my scum list, them both being innocent is simply not something I think about.
Sorry i missed that..thank you thoughCaboose wrote:Note that the quote is taken completely out of context. When I said "it's just something that incompetant scum would do" I was refering to the question of whether scum would fakeclaim vig in a mass claim.xofelf wrote:Next CabooseOnly scum WIFOM? Is that so?Caboose wrote:And don't bring up WIFOM either. It's just something that only incompetant scum would do.
No, it's your job to prove their guilt, it's not their job to prove their innocence. Thus far, you haven't done so, calling both Emp and Nat out on non-scum tells. There's really no way to prove that you are innocent without quoting your role PM.StrangerCoug wrote:The short and sweet answer is that it's their job, not mine, to prove their innocence.
Besides blond who else is actually putting pressure or talking about Ap? Seriously.And if hes in the mafia so is Yorgi. He doesnt talk about Yorgi at all. He wants town peoples lynched. Hes not gunna waste his time on the other mafia peoples.
Apass isn't talking about anyone from what I read. Conclusion is invalid please try again.The thing wrong with this arguement is that BSW jumps to the conclusion that Apass isn't talking about Yorgi, therefore they must be scum partners. I believe this isn't a very sound generalization as the same could be said about some other people (Nat, chensi, afatchic).
Ummmm...yorgi wrote:Apass isn't talking about anyone from what I read. Conclusion is invalid please try again.The thing wrong with this arguement is that BSW jumps to the conclusion that Apass isn't talking about Yorgi, therefore they must be scum partners. I believe this isn't a very sound generalization as the same could be said about some other people (Nat, chensi, afatchic).
I'm not sure where the heck Blond came up with this theory but it's based on nothing at all. I don't like Caboose following crap logic he's a better player then that. I don't know Blond and it could be newbie who is still learning, but seriously learn to scum hunt and come up with actually cases not oh let me point to someone and say they are scum with player X because they aren't talking about each other. I'm not the only one not mentioned.
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Crap logic for crap reason. Protecting someone or looking for an easy lynch Caboose. Scum either way.
I think you are disagreeing with her based on partners. But you are not stating well her case on Apos is nothing. She is linking people and you are like well I can't agree because others aren't talking with Apos, but it seems weak. Like sure Apos can be scum but no question of why. Like I said Blond may be a newb but that doesnt' mean not scum.Caboose wrote:Ummmm...yorgi wrote:Apass isn't talking about anyone from what I read. Conclusion is invalid please try again.The thing wrong with this arguement is that BSW jumps to the conclusion that Apass isn't talking about Yorgi, therefore they must be scum partners. I believe this isn't a very sound generalization as the same could be said about some other people (Nat, chensi, afatchic).
I'm not sure where the heck Blond came up with this theory but it's based on nothing at all. I don't like Caboose following crap logic he's a better player then that. I don't know Blond and it could be newbie who is still learning, but seriously learn to scum hunt and come up with actually cases not oh let me point to someone and say they are scum with player X because they aren't talking about each other. I'm not the only one not mentioned.
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Crap logic for crap reason. Protecting someone or looking for an easy lynch Caboose. Scum either way.
WTF?
I'm saying that I disagreed w/ BSW's logic.
Do what?yorgi wrote:I think you are disagreeing with her based on partners. But you are not stating well her case on Apos is nothing. She is linking people and you are like well I can't agree because others aren't talking with Apos, but it seems weak. Like sure Apos can be scum but no question of why. Like I said Blond may be a newb but that doesnt' mean not scum.
I could be misreading. Just dont know why you are so nice about it. A crap case is a crap case. It's like pulling nothing out of thin air throwing it down and saying here.Caboose wrote:Do what?yorgi wrote:I think you are disagreeing with her based on partners. But you are not stating well her case on Apos is nothing. She is linking people and you are like well I can't agree because others aren't talking with Apos, but it seems weak. Like sure Apos can be scum but no question of why. Like I said Blond may be a newb but that doesnt' mean not scum.
I never tried to play the newbie card for BSW.
I also never tried to put together a case, I was trying to prove how BSW's was weak.
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The short and sweet answer is that it's their job, not mine, to prove their innocence. Me thinking about them both being innocent also doesn't fit with my aggressive play style. In theory, I could have a knife at everybody's throat, but I am rarely set off by an entire game. But if you want someone lynched, you push and push and push.
Enough. You have been spouting nonsense all game. I could also ask what’s insubstantial about BSW’s observation that Apassionata seems to be ignoring Yorgi. Or, better, how come you’re ignoring me all of a sudden. But, I see no reason to wasting time by giving you more opportunity to make baseless attacks, while risking a holiday no-lynch.StrangerCoug [116] wrote:<snip>
Again, being pushy is scummy.
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Um, how would having 3 confirmed innocents hurt the town?xofelf [162] wrote:<snip>
Doesn't massclaiming hurt the town in the end no matter what? Does it ever work the way it's supposed to?
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How is this different from, say, Natirasha’s play, which you haven’t said anything about?mrfixij [170] wrote:Blonde will be hard to find a scumtell for because we can expect consistently dumb play from her. As such, it's hard to find a difference of intention or information from her as opposed to any other player.
How do you suppose we find scum then?xofelf wrote:Enter afatchicBut would that necessarily work in the town's favor? It's possible, isn't it, for someone's reaction to be misinterpreted? Just a thought.afatchic wrote:If i understood it correctly, then i agree. day 1 don't try to find both scum, or use connections to be able to lynch someone. after the first lynch and night kill, then you can go back and look to see how certain people reacted to certain things, knowing two peoples alignment.