I was challenging her mindset since if she’s town I don’t think she’s going to be very useful if she relies on emotion to determine her pushes.In post 234, Testarossa wrote: Kitties post wasn't that exciting to me, it gave more the vibes Arko's first readlist had to me with being kind of vague on most people. I don't get in contrast to that this hard scumread on Gamma.
Gamma's case feels a bit oldschool and I also think she has some points. Her energy for doubling down on Kittie here feels townie imo.
I don't get this though. Why would you bother to please her or what do you mean with it?In post 206, Gamma Emerald wrote: You seem impossible to please atm. Despite openly admitting to faking your reaction, you still find an excuse to keep pushing me.
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I tried to work it into the wall; I feel like for a newer player, Kittie’s stated opinion on the Arko read list felt it should merit a TR on Arko. As such I felt she was being evasive wrt giving tangible reads.In post 238, Thomith wrote:In post 195, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 85, Kittiesecret wrote: Good evening!
I just finished catching up, and there was a lot of things said with out a lot of things being said.
I am new I only have one game under my belt. And I don't have any day one reads on any one yet.
These do not line up imoIn post 126, Kittiesecret wrote: What do you think of Arko's read list? Do you agree?
I feel this is accurate for page 4.
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What did you mean by this?In post 231, Naerys wrote: I will just bite your head off later, Hu tao<Embrace The Void>
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I agree that kitties post was not that great.In post 234, Testarossa wrote: Kitties post wasn't that exciting to me, it gave more the vibes Arko's first readlist had to me with being kind of vague on most people. I don't get in contrast to that this hard scumread on Gamma.
Gamma's case feels a bit oldschool and I also think she has some points. Her energy for doubling down on Kittie here feels townie imo.
I don't get this though. Why would you bother to please her or what do you mean with it?In post 206, Gamma Emerald wrote: You seem impossible to please atm. Despite openly admitting to faking your reaction, you still find an excuse to keep pushing me.-
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Seconded on this. Seemed like she planned to ATE me possibly but reacted to other votes instead.In post 253, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What did you mean by this?In post 231, Naerys wrote: I will just bite your head off later, Hu tao-
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That i wanted to tear apart Hu Tao’s “case” on me but i was tired and kinda annoyed and then i lost any will to post something tbh. As i said, i can be rather moodyIn post 253, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What did you mean by this?In post 231, Naerys wrote: I will just bite your head off later, Hu tao-
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What was my case? I don't think I posted one-
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Thats why i put "" there.In post 257, Hu Tao wrote: What was my case? I don't think I posted one
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Can you answer 249In post 258, Naerys wrote:
Thats why i put "" there.In post 257, Hu Tao wrote: What was my case? I don't think I posted one
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I'm wary of Klick
I'm also worried that Naerys is limbait and scum are just hanging out completely fine with our wagons competing with each other
I want to engage with Naerys more but she keeps using her moodiness as a reason to not talk to me. The frustration feels genuine. I think it could be because she's caught scum but I'm not really sure about that, and I'm more inclined to believe she's just annoyed at being wagoned as town. Like her continued push on me could be a survival tactic considering my wagon is the next best thing but that doesn't always come from scum in my experience. It could be a bad tunnel or Naerys just wanting anyone but herself dead
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VOTE: Klick
No strong case here. I thought ORAM was a little scummy and felt like she could have been frozen from being suspected by a couple of people on page 4
Klick hasn't really done anything I would consider town indicative since he replaced in. It feels like he's more willing to coast than try to solve the game-
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While it's kind of a WIFOM reason, I do still think it would be crazy for scum to E-1 on Day 1 and bring a bunch of attention to themselves.In post 243, Black wrote: I still would like to hear thoughts on Testa. Her ISO has some indicators that she's solving but it doesn't feel like anything scum couldn't come up with. Her posts have this agreeable tone that I would expect from scum that is trying to blend in while not making too many enemies. I'm not sure if she is the best fade today but I'm curious what other people think about her
I do think it's worth noting that She seemed to not take a strong stance until 133, which was after the Black wagon started gaining momentum, so I could see your point about not committing to reads to not make any enemies. definitely something to keep an eye on. I do think 191 alleviates some of my concern regarding trying to avoid making enemies though, and that post seems genuine, as I did have similar concerns myself regarding the Black votes (or rather lack of votes compared to how many people said they suspected her).
Testarossa's questioning is something I like as well, because the questions she is asking do seem to be helping progress the game, get peoples thoughts, and get a better idea of where everyone stands.
I'm not sold that Testa is scum, but do want to note a Testa flip could give us some information on the reactions that happened in the early game/first few pages.
Why not?In post 254, Hu Tao wrote:
I agree that kitties post was not that great.In post 234, Testarossa wrote: Kitties post wasn't that exciting to me, it gave more the vibes Arko's first readlist had to me with being kind of vague on most people. I don't get in contrast to that this hard scumread on Gamma.
Gamma's case feels a bit oldschool and I also think she has some points. Her energy for doubling down on Kittie here feels townie imo.
I don't get this though. Why would you bother to please her or what do you mean with it?In post 206, Gamma Emerald wrote: You seem impossible to please atm. Despite openly admitting to faking your reaction, you still find an excuse to keep pushing me.
I think I want to do this for now, because of what Gamma has said, and what I also thought of in 238:
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I don't think it's that crazy. Hammering yeah, but putting someone to e-1 in RVS can easily be dismissed as a joke or something scum probably wouldn't do, which was the case in this game. If someone isn't paying attention and accidently hammers me, or if someone purposely lolhammers me, all the attention shifts to them and scum!Testa gets a free mislimIn post 262, Thomith wrote: While it's kind of a WIFOM reason, I do still think it would be crazy for scum to E-1 on Day 1 and bring a bunch of attention to themselves
I do like this point and I agree, which is why I probably wouldn't want to fade there todayIn post 262, Thomith wrote: Testarossa's questioning is something I like as well, because the questions she is asking do seem to be helping progress the game, get peoples thoughts, and get a better idea of where everyone stands-
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I'm a little confused by this. I'm assuming you opened up Klick's iso to comment on this vote. Why didn't you take 60 seconds or so to look through it to see if he explained it? He doesn't have many posts and they're not very wordy
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To be honest my point in mentioning that vote was because I didn't think they did explain the vote, but realise the sarcasm doesn't travel that well on the internet but that's my bad.In post 265, Black wrote:I'm a little confused by this. I'm assuming you opened up Klick's iso to comment on this vote. Why didn't you take 60 seconds or so to look through it to see if he explained it? He doesn't have many posts and they're not very wordy
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Have you read my case?In post 260, Black wrote: I'm wary of Klick
I'm also worried that Naerys is limbait and scum are just hanging out completely fine with our wagons competing with each other
I want to engage with Naerys more but she keeps using her moodiness as a reason to not talk to me. The frustration feels genuine. I think it could be because she's caught scum but I'm not really sure about that, and I'm more inclined to believe she's just annoyed at being wagoned as town. Like her continued push on me could be a survival tactic considering my wagon is the next best thing but that doesn't always come from scum in my experience. It could be a bad tunnel or Naerys just wanting anyone but herself dead
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In post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote: This feels extremely awkward, and common knowledge is that scum are more likely to be awkward at the start of the game.
These first two points I don't really agree with. Or at least I don't think awkwardness and being self-conscious are scum tells. These particular posts feel similar to town!Kittie from the game we played together (Open 888)In post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote: Another pop-in, this time making a promise of content. This feels quite self-conscious.
She did something similar in the game I referenced:In post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote: Claims to have finished catching up but shows absolutely zero work, and takes no stances whatsoever.
Kittie, Open 888 wrote:Oof a lot of early morning players in here. Y'all have been busy reading bees this morning.
(makes note to set aside time in the morning routine for reading)
overall lots of good points, mental notes are being made... withholding judgement until I have a better feel for the game.
*always watching*
I think her responding to posts coincides with her being self-conscious about not providing content. I do agree with your Arko point somewhat thoughIn post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote: After being pressured, decides to go back to respond to posts. I’ll get into this with the next wall but this approach by Kittie is one I commonly see scum pull. I also think it’s a bad look that she voices assent to Arko’s early reads but fails to have one of her own on Arko? I think in that position I would have a townread on Arko as a newbie.
Do you not think town players can be self-conscious about not playing or helping solve the game?In post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote: Another self-conscious post promising content. This one is worse than the first imo since that one was at least posted when she had done absolutely nothing of substance.
Again, not to beat a dead horse, but this is exactly how Kittie played as town. She barely live posted and a lot of her content came in the form of long catch-up posts. Perhaps she could play like this as scum too but I don't think this particular point is alignment indicative for herIn post 224, Gamma Emerald wrote: My big problem with posting most of your content in this way is it smokescreens your play in two ways. First, you make yourself unavailable for live interaction which I think in the vast majority of scenarios is the mist important way of forming reads. The second problem is you cram your thoughts into large posts which makes them harder to process or engage with, which I think tends to have an effect of causing a short-circuit of anyone trying to parse the player that does it into going “big wall of content = town”.
Overall this case isn't convincing me of scum!Kittie at all, but I do like the effort you put in-
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Hmmm
I’ll acknowledge that but I feel like the walling over active participation issue is relevant so I would like to at least remediate that<Embrace The Void>
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Relevant how? Does your opinion not change at all knowing she plays that way as town?In post 273, Gamma Emerald wrote: Hmmm
I’ll acknowledge that but I feel like the walling over active participation issue is relevant so I would like to at least remediate that
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