Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5

[Altaria]

kyouko can we get a list of your reads?

[DragonEater70]

I am actually amazed that people wanted to hammer me without even letting me claim. Do you know that you can lose a PR like that?

[DragonEater70]

I don't think I'm in claim range now though

[DragonEater70]

I think gob is scum.

I don't think Drew is scum, but if he is the gera does have some partner equity.

Anyway, VOTE: gob

[DragonEater70]

Also to those meta-scumreading me, I have no idea how you got to that conclusion. I'm usually very chaotic with my reads as scum, which I don't really feel I have been this game, at all.

[DragonEater70]

I'm also starting to get sus of Gob but I'm not sure why.

same but my read is based on the game of his i was reading the other day. he was scum with gamma and tried to act like he was ok limming them but he kept saying LAMIST stuff like "let's not hammer early" and "i think it's best we wait". i think if dragon flips scum then that could implicate gob somewhat but its not a sure thing

Lol I agree with the take that he's playing like that game, but I am pretty sure he was resisting wagon on town as well.

[Celebloki]

Ok, I've gone back and re-read and actually forced myself to understand some of the minutiae of some of the interactions that I glazed over while V/LA. Specifically stuff like the Altaria/Umlaut "drew read" stuff and the gob/Hu Tao reads and OMGUS accusations.

I find a lot of that stuff to generally be early RVS or RVS adjacent reaches for early reads.

In my previous few posts I felt I was seeing a different gob in this game. I think I am changing my mind about that. Reading his response to the drew open wolfing and his 'can't remember' why he was scum reading people and waffling around actually reminds me a lot of Large 245 where he was scum. He similarly was wildly flopping around and didn't appear to be fully reading or comprehending the game state in that game and afterwards when reading the Scum PT he was actually doing a great job keeping the town off balance in that game. I'll say at this point I won't say he must be scum then, but I am not going to claim he's different and say he's town. Since I have no town game to compare him too I just can't be sure he isn't always like this.

Similarly, DE feels very similar in this game as he did in Open 890 to me. Aliana already pointed out some of his similar posts from that game. He also posted more actively and confidently in that game which I think I am also seeing here.

Since I am going off meta vibes, I am also seeing a different Hu Tao here than her town presence in Large 245.

In light of not having any completed personal games with these players that would give me a contrasting alignment meta on them, I am not fully comfortable basing reads on them, but I think these 3 are my stronger scum reads at the moment, Dragon probably being the biggest. The interaction with Drew really pinged me.

[Celebloki]

In light of that, I'm going to put Dragon at E-1.

VOTE: DragonEater70

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Dragon

[Hu Tao]

Ok, I've gone back and re-read and actually forced myself to understand some of the minutiae of some of the interactions that I glazed over while V/LA. Specifically stuff like the Altaria/Umlaut "drew read" stuff and the gob/Hu Tao reads and OMGUS accusations.

I find a lot of that stuff to generally be early RVS or RVS adjacent reaches for early reads.

In my previous few posts I felt I was seeing a different gob in this game. I think I am changing my mind about that. Reading his response to the drew open wolfing and his 'can't remember' why he was scum reading people and waffling around actually reminds me a lot of Large 245 where he was scum. He similarly was wildly flopping around and didn't appear to be fully reading or comprehending the game state in that game and afterwards when reading the Scum PT he was actually doing a great job keeping the town off balance in that game. I'll say at this point I won't say he must be scum then, but I am not going to claim he's different and say he's town. Since I have no town game to compare him too I just can't be sure he isn't always like this.

Similarly, DE feels very similar in this game as he did in Open 890 to me. Aliana already pointed out some of his similar posts from that game. He also posted more actively and confidently in that game which I think I am also seeing here.

Since I am going off meta vibes, I am also seeing a different Hu Tao here than her town presence in Large 245.

In light of not having any completed personal games with these players that would give me a contrasting alignment meta on them, I am not fully comfortable basing reads on them, but I think these 3 are my stronger scum reads at the moment, Dragon probably being the biggest. The interaction with Drew really pinged me.

What is the difference?

[Hu Tao]

Meta is so silly, people say I act differently every game it is so funny

[Celebloki]

tbh, the only difference is that you're posting in this game. I'm not saying it's a major difference, just that it's different. I do acknowledge you were V/LA, but who knows, maybe you were just a bored VT in Large 245 and in this one you got a scum role pm and are now all jazzed up to play. I'm not ready to champion a wagon on you, but I am going to be more dubious of you.

[Hu Tao]

Caught me. I got that juicy scum role pm

[Altaria]

tbh, the only difference is that you're posting in this game. I'm not saying it's a major difference, just that it's different. I do acknowledge you were V/LA, but who knows, maybe you were just a bored VT in Large 245 and in this one you got a scum role pm and are now all jazzed up to play. I'm not ready to champion a wagon on you, but I am going to be more dubious of you.

i feel like this type of read is more likely to come from town even though i don't really agree with it

[Altaria]

i feel good about celebloki

[Celebloki]

Caught me. I got that juicy scum role pm

See, there you go admitting to getting a scum role PM just like you did in 245. Maybe you are town after all.

[geraintm]

I am actually amazed that people wanted to hammer me without even letting me claim. Do you know that you can lose a PR like that?

just dont claim

[geraintm]

I don't think anyone is obv!maf though.

by day 3 i am always obvious if i am mafia. but not day 1

[geraintm]

I am pretty nai on Umlaut. Dragoneater I feel over explains themselves too much. Which is a sign of mafia.

ACTUALLY WITH THIS SAID

UNVOTE: Dragoneater[/unote]

We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something.
But generally it's bad practice to vote off the obv-wolf Day 1, since it makes the other ones harder to catch.

this is an awful post. and not just due to formatting

naughty point

[ssbm_Kyouko]

kyouko can we get a list of your reads?

I don't feel strongly enough about anything to leave it behind during twilight in case of my death, with the exception of my Drew SR which is known at this point.

I think Dragon is flipping town here and if he comes up scum I'll need to reevaluate.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also we blazin it

[gob]

I am pretty nai on Umlaut. Dragoneater I feel over explains themselves too much. Which is a sign of mafia.

ACTUALLY WITH THIS SAID

UNVOTE: Dragoneater[/unote]

We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something.
But generally it's bad practice to vote off the obv-wolf Day 1, since it makes the other ones harder to catch.

Are you literally saying that voting scum on D1 is a bad town strat??

It depends on the setup, generally. The idea is that if you keep obv!maf alive to spew the other and anti-spew others.

why do you think dragon is obvious scum from your pov

I wouldn't say dargon is obvious scum. But its more like they're likely scum and it's better to keep those players around so they spew others one way or the other.

[T3]

Day 1 VC 6:

DragonEater70 (5 [E-1]): Doctor Drew, Altaria, geraintm, Hu Tao, Celebloki
Umlaut (2): ssbm_Kyouko, Aliana
Doctor Drew (1): Umlaut
gob (1): DragonEater70

Not voting (1): gob

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-11-29 15:16:00).

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate and 5 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

[Altaria]

I am pretty nai on Umlaut. Dragoneater I feel over explains themselves too much. Which is a sign of mafia.

ACTUALLY WITH THIS SAID

UNVOTE: Dragoneater[/unote]

We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something.
But generally it's bad practice to vote off the obv-wolf Day 1, since it makes the other ones harder to catch.

Are you literally saying that voting scum on D1 is a bad town strat??

It depends on the setup, generally. The idea is that if you keep obv!maf alive to spew the other and anti-spew others.

why do you think dragon is obvious scum from your pov

I wouldn't say dargon is obvious scum. But its more like they're likely scum and it's better to keep those players around so they spew others one way or the other.

no. i think you should declare intent to hammer so dragon can claim

[Umlaut]

I am actually amazed that people wanted to hammer me without even letting me claim. Do you know that you can lose a PR like that?

What people?