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I understand where your post is coming fromI read it as someone just wanting to state the obvious. However, I personally don't really know where to point the smoking gun because I can see it as either side. I've given Dave BOTD because most people push me because of how I play on here, do you think the shade posts are in bad faith?In post 672, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: So since it's apparent what the situation is, why post at all? 640 feels like a long post about... nothing.-
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ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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Not necessarily all of them no; I think it's expected that there will be people that have gripes with your playstyle. I just think Dave's gripes are coming from scum though - not to say he wouldn't feel the same about your play as town, but he isn't doing anything about it, and it doesn't seem like he's doing much of anything else either. His one thing is that your playstyle is easy to fake as scum, but he's not otherwise making pushes elsewhere or on you. Feels like that's his "I'm doing something" and it's a safe "something" to do as well because your playstyle is easy to fake as scumShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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Like it's not a bold or revolutionary take. Very safe, middle of the pack, etc.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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Andresvmb He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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I’m going to have to issue VLAs more often in this game it looks like - I was going to catch up and give some thoughts tonight (I was building some furniture yesterday funny enough).
I skimmed quickly and I see that there’s a wagon that’s quickly formed on Celebloki, so I’ll focus on that when I’m back latwr.
For those that don’t know me much - though I can at times rely on some of my gut reads, I don’t think they’re particularly reliable. I think once we have more information you’ll see me be more active.-
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Andresvmb He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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I did have some early thoughts I wrote down around the time I made my vote, but again I don’t think these are super reliable. In any event, they are as follows:
61 - TimmerRC is probably just Town. Getting a tad upset at a VT claim probably comes from a place of someone who wants the Town to win (which explains the annoyance with a claim that would, if serious, hurt the Town). I see that it was later clarified that it was a serious claim - I thought it had to be a joke, and don’t view it positively either.
67 - This is a Scummy post from KawaiiKame. TimmerRC didn’t call it weird. They didn’t even really imply it was coming from Scum. They simply seemed to question the logic behind making the claim at all.
105 - I agree with the logic here.
117 - This is Town posting by Black.
120 - I don’t know if Town is likely to give out this defense. I am leaning negative on Dunnstral.
137 - This just feels like a bad vote to me.
213 - I am not getting the vibes expressed by Hu Tao, which is why I have negative thoughts (I don’t believe the attack).-
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VOTE: ssbm_kyoukoIn post 675, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: No bloops
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Andresvmb He/HimJack of All TradesHe/Him
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I’m going to try to not be in catch up mode at all times but I do struggle so bear with me.-
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I'm seeing who goes apeshit one way or the other and who ignores it. The actual material to read people from on d1 is always thin, and this game is no exception.In post 677, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Not necessarily all of them no; I think it's expected that there will be people that have gripes with your playstyle. I just think Dave's gripes are coming from scum though - not to say he wouldn't feel the same about your play as town, but he isn't doing anything about it, and it doesn't seem like he's doing much of anything else either. His one thing is that your playstyle is easy to fake as scum, but he's not otherwise making pushes elsewhere or on you. Feels like that's his "I'm doing something" and it's a safe "something" to do as well because your playstyle is easy to fake as scumWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Got a decent night's sleep, but now it's a work day.In post 512, davesaz wrote: I have what I hope is only a head cold. I may not be as energetic as usual. The night-time so you can rest medicine made me wired instead of sleepy so I feel like I've been in a centrifuge for hours.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Ok I am back
I'm not caught up and there have been lots of posts, and big ones, so it might take me a minute. I don't have much motivation to read it all atm but I'll get to it-
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ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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By "it" you mean your posting about Keyleth? or Keyleth's playstyle? Both?In post 683, davesaz wrote:
I'm seeing who goes apeshit one way or the other and who ignoresIn post 677, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Not necessarily all of them no; I think it's expected that there will be people that have gripes with your playstyle. I just think Dave's gripes are coming from scum though - not to say he wouldn't feel the same about your play as town, but he isn't doing anything about it, and it doesn't seem like he's doing much of anything else either. His one thing is that your playstyle is easy to fake as scum, but he's not otherwise making pushes elsewhere or on you. Feels like that's his "I'm doing something" and it's a safe "something" to do as well because your playstyle is easy to fake as scumit. The actual material to read people from on d1 is always thin, and this game is no exception.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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davesaz HeSurvivorHe
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In some respects, both.In post 686, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
By "it" you mean your posting about Keyleth? or Keyleth's playstyle? Both?In post 683, davesaz wrote:
I'm seeing who goes apeshit one way or the other and who ignoresIn post 677, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Not necessarily all of them no; I think it's expected that there will be people that have gripes with your playstyle. I just think Dave's gripes are coming from scum though - not to say he wouldn't feel the same about your play as town, but he isn't doing anything about it, and it doesn't seem like he's doing much of anything else either. His one thing is that your playstyle is easy to fake as scum, but he's not otherwise making pushes elsewhere or on you. Feels like that's his "I'm doing something" and it's a safe "something" to do as well because your playstyle is easy to fake as scumit. The actual material to read people from on d1 is always thin, and this game is no exception.
More generally, who responds to my posting and how, and do those I post about seem to care or adjust.
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Why am I town for this exactly?In post 465, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Black is town I think. I don't think scum stews over their wagon like this. I think the conclusion of partner equity comes more from reading us both individually as scum than it does from the references evidence, and probably I need to go back but I dont know why Black is/was voting me.-
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Keyleth She/herGoonShe/her
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Is there uh, anything I can do to help dave?-
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Can someone explain the case on Celebloki?-
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davesaz HeSurvivorHe
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You'd be surprised how many peopleIn post 672, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: 640 bothered me because it was so "mediator-ish" without really adding anything thoughtful. I think we could all see both sides, even if personally we would agree with Gamma or with BQ2: Electric Boogaloo. I don't think it's hard to see that Gamma felt the behavior was manipulative and also that BQ2 did not mean it in that way (or at least says he didn't, which feeds more into it feeling manipulative to Gamma)
And it felt like he had not posted in a while so I went back to see when he posted last and what happened.don'tsee both sides. In particular though, the two participants who clearly aren't seeing what the other is thinking.
If I can stop a tunnel by making the two participants see how they are failing to connect, I save the game from having to slog through that. It is pro-town to deobfuscate, and part of my personality as a dad and for other reasons.So since it's apparent what the situation is, why post at all? 640 feels like a long post about... nothing.
Better living through chemistry, except when it isn't.And I didnt remember dave posting recentlyWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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61 - Timmer said he comes from a site where claiming is not allowed and was not upset but confused I think? Actually this is unfair of me given the last bit of 61 -In post 680, Andresvmb wrote: I did have some early thoughts I wrote down around the time I made my vote, but again I don’t think these are super reliable. In any event, they are as follows:
61 - TimmerRC is probably just Town. Getting a tad upset at a VT claim probably comes from a place of someone who wants the Town to win (which explains the annoyance with a claim that would, if serious, hurt the Town). I see that it was later clarified that it was a serious claim - I thought it had to be a joke, and don’t view it positively either.
67 - This is a Scummy post from KawaiiKame. TimmerRC didn’t call it weird. They didn’t even really imply it was coming from Scum. They simply seemed to question the logic behind making the claim at all.
105 - I agree with the logic here.
117 - This is Town posting by Black.
120 - I don’t know if Town is likely to give out this defense. I am leaning negative on Dunnstral.
137 - This just feels like a bad vote to me.
213 - I am not getting the vibes expressed by Hu Tao, which is why I have negative thoughts (I don’t believe the attack).
67 - Kawaii didn't say Timmer called it weird - Kawaii was himself calling it weird, and was replying to Timmer's post but was adding more commentary on the Hu Tao VT claim.so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.
120 - Dunn isn't really defending anything here unless you want to say he's defending KawaiiKamefromGamma - that's a reference to his earlier post (113) questioning how believable Elements' 40 was.
I thought you misread/misconstrued the 3 posts you had the most "meaty" commentary on but it seems like it was 2 of the 3 actually. Not the happiest with this catch-upShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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davesaz HeSurvivorHe
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Quote things and say what you think about them would be a good start. More than just like or don't like. For me to evaluate your alignment (or anyone's) I need to know if what you say makes sense given the events, and that's pretty well impossible without a fair amount of because clauses.In post 689, Keyleth wrote: Is there uh, anything I can do to help dave?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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Do you want more detail than that? When I said "their" wagon I meant my wagon that you were (are still?) on, to be more clear. Iirc you had started that wagon. I didn't think scum!you (this is a read on scum behavior in general, not you specifically) was likely to hyperfixate on my wagon so early on D1.In post 688, Black wrote:
Why am I town for this exactly?In post 465, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Black is town I think.I don't think scum stews over their wagon like this.I think the conclusion of partner equity comes more from reading us both individually as scum than it does from the references evidence, and probably I need to go back but I dont know why Black is/was voting me.She/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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I guess I didn't really understand that line you bolded. I still don't.In post 694, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Do you want more detail than that? When I said "their" wagon I meantIn post 688, Black wrote:
Why am I town for this exactly?In post 465, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Black is town I think.I don't think scum stews over their wagon like this.I think the conclusion of partner equity comes more from reading us both individually as scum than it does from the references evidence, and probably I need to go back but I dont know why Black is/was voting me.my wagonthat you were (are still?) on, to be more clear. Iirc you had started that wagon. I didn't think scum!you (this is a read on scum behavior in general, not you specifically) was likely to hyperfixate onmy wagonso early on D1.What are you referring to as "my wagon" here-
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ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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In post 690, Black wrote: Can someone explain the case on Celebloki?Spoiler: case highlighted in colorShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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ssbm_Kyouko She/HerJack of All TradesShe/Her
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By "their wagon" I meant the wagon you were pushing on me. I called it "yours" because you were pushing it but normally a third party would call it "the wagon on ssbm_Kyouko" if they were being very specific. I don't think scum does what you did, therefore I think you are not scum, leaving you as townIn post 695, Black wrote:
I guess I didn't really understand that line you bolded. I still don't.In post 694, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Do you want more detail than that? When I said "their" wagon I meantIn post 688, Black wrote:
Why am I town for this exactly?In post 465, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Black is town I think.I don't think scum stews over their wagon like this.I think the conclusion of partner equity comes more from reading us both individually as scum than it does from the references evidence, and probably I need to go back but I dont know why Black is/was voting me.my wagonthat you were (are still?) on, to be more clear. Iirc you had started that wagon. I didn't think scum!you (this is a read on scum behavior in general, not you specifically) was likely to hyperfixate onmy wagonso early on D1.What are you referring to as "my wagon" hereShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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It seems my failure to reply after going to sleep was construed as lack of followup by some. Let's remedy that.In post 654, Elements wrote:
I can appreciate the desire to keep one's reads close to the chestIn post 652, davesaz wrote:
Isn't that a bad thing? Why would you like a style that lets scum hide?In post 651, Elements wrote: I like Keyleth's playstyle
I can see it being town but also a good way to hide as scum
Playstyle aside, do you have a read on Keyleth?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Oh, going back to read it now since I was wondering why you were confused about that, I think you were actually wagonning Guillotina at the time so it would be the wagon on Guillotina I was referring to. I made 465 when I read 384 - you were voting me before Guillo and I think that's why when remembering back now I thought I was referring to your vote/wagon on meShe/Her - limited access on nights and weekends
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