Mini Normal 2316 | Halloween | Endgame

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: heip 5 feels awkward as hell

VOTE: Tortle

[DragonEater70]

I know it's not believeable but I decided to vote before seeing wiz voting

[DragonEater70]

Wiz is my first townread, then.

[DragonEater70]

Python, as a person eho if I recall correctly intentionally drove a misfade on heip in the past as an SK, don't you think heip is just being his usual limbait self?

I'm not saying it's town-indicative for him but I really don't think it's scum indicative.

[DragonEater70]

Talk to me about that

[DragonEater70]

24 was really bad and I don't see a town motivation to post it.

Oh, you are new to playing with me aren't you?



The motivation was that I knew that some smartass will come along and say "oh Dragon doesn't have original reads and is just sheeping Wiz", and I wanted to counteract that preemptively.

[DragonEater70]

DE's normally like that, I don't think 24 is alignment indicative

I like how you are just gonna say that every single game we play lol

Except when you are scum. I'm pretty sure you never said it when you were scum.

If you could produce a specific example to support that because I briefly skimmed some other games of his and nothing really strikes me the way that 24 does. It just really hits as a scum fretting over apperance whereas I think Town would probably be chill enough to just let the naked vote lie.

Which specific games did you skim?

I don't have a specific instance of this off the top of my head, but I believe I did worse-looking things as town in many games. Like in my first Newbie game where I lied about lying about my reads (long story), as town, because I wanted to avoid getting mislimmed (I mean, it worked! And I was a PR who managed to confirm scum later on so it was a good idea to do that).

Morning folks

Good afternoon to you too!

I can understand DE's 24 because I got limmed on d1 in my last game for 'awkwardness' and it is +town for him to throw quick defence on me to make sure I'm not going to be pushed all E-1 on early d1. (and talking about another game as a dead player is allowed right?) The action can be read as pocketing though, but I tend to believe it's the former.

You are not allowed to talk about ongoing games, even if you are dead (or not a player at all, or replaced out) in these games.

However yes, I was thinking along the lines of "heip is usually limbait so I won't consider limbaity posts as scummy, coming from him"

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: DragonEater70

24 was really bad and I don't see a town motivation to post it.

DE's normally like that, I don't think 24 is alignment indicative

24 also caught my eye on my initial readthrough (though not to the same intensity as Wartortle is making out). But unless you're bold enough to defend your partner's bad page one post on page two, I'll take this as face value.

So, what else? Wartortle scum for continuing to push this narrative even when there's new evidence to work against it?

VOTE: Wartortle

Don't you mean OuterWorld instead of WarTortle? I also confused them lol.

[DragonEater70]

Okay I think this means THS is probably isn't scum with either of these two

And independently of that I have a slight TR on him.

Also I think I will just openwolf this game because I've never done that as either alignment and it sounds like fun

Uhhhh I'm not actually sure how to do that.

*pause*

Okay, how about this:

VOTE: DragonEater70

24 was really bad and I don't see a town motivation to post it.

Wow this is a bad push! Very bad post.

VOTE: OWER

You reek of being scum lol



Guys am I doing it right? Do I look like a mafia now?

[DragonEater70]

Naerys, don't act so surprised

I know I will never be limmed Day 1



*horror dawns on me as the split second I finish this sentence a wagon forms on me*

[DragonEater70]

Tortle, walk me through these votes

If THS is scum I also wanna see it.

[DragonEater70]

Arrrgh fine

VOTE: THS

He's probably town but I'm supposed to be openwolfing so voting for people who are probably town is good for keeping a wolfy image.

[DragonEater70]

Tortle, walk me through these votes

i saw 59 and it failed the vibe check so i voted OWER

i then went back to THS' case and realized that it sucked

Yeah I had the same thought process lol.

[DragonEater70]

This is Halloween

Oh this is such a good movie btw

[DragonEater70]

Reads or something:

Above null
Wiz
Tortle
DarkStar
Python
NULL LINE - Everyone else
OWER
THS
Below null

I also have a huge desire to pocket Naerys so I'm going to say she's town for now as well.

[DragonEater70]

Anyone here?

[DragonEater70]

Well Wiz is new, I haven't played with him though to know if he actually has thought processes like that or not as town.

I will however say that my early TR of him falls flat on reread, so he's actually at a lower spot than Python on my readlist now.

[DragonEater70]

@Dragoneater70
How does this.

Tortle, walk me through these votes

i saw 59 and it failed the vibe check so i voted OWER

i then went back to THS' case and realized that it sucked

Yeah I had the same thought process lol.

Track with this.

Arrrgh fine

VOTE: THS

He's probably town but I'm supposed to be openwolfing so voting for people who are probably town is good for keeping a wolfy image.

How does me voting THS track with having the same thought process as Tortle about THS making a bad case?

Really?

[DragonEater70]

Wiz is actually pretty good (at least as town). The one game I played with him he correctly nailed a scum that I had incorrectly read as town.

Didn't he nail two scum? Or was he TRing worst? (I haven't read that game fully but I have skimmed it)

[DragonEater70]

Smiley can you link a town game of yours?

[DragonEater70]

It came off to me like you were originally voting Hold as a joke (Openwolf comment), but then decided to retroactively justify said vote by which felt kind of weird to me.

IDK if you are intentionally reaching here as scum or not, so I'm gonna go read your town game and decide based on that. However, the openwolf comment was just a joke appended to a real vote.

Mainly wondering how you went from Hold being lean town to lowest read that quickly.

Well, I only townread THS for that post. And I had the exact same process as Tortle, so that should be a sufficient explanation for you.

[DragonEater70]

Having skimmed your ISO that game, I feel you are a lot slimier here than in that game

It's probably partially confbias, but I think it warrants a vote and we'll see how this develops.

VOTE: Smiley

[DragonEater70]

Mostly vibes, but specifically I felt your approach in that game was less forced - you sounded pretty relaxed whereas here I feel a slightly forced tone in your posts.

[DragonEater70]

Yeah torts is town as fuck

Anyway, join the Smiley wagon?

[DragonEater70]

What exactly is he spittin?

[DragonEater70]

He read my mind in 90

Oh, well.

I think this is a good point for me to say goodnight and try to form better reads tomorrow.

Cya all!

[DragonEater70]

@mod, could we get an up-to-date vc?

or even make 75 a vc because currently it's empty.

[DragonEater70]

Actually,

Spoiler: unofficial vc

TheHoldSteady (4): OutWorldER, Wartortle, Naerys, usesPython
Wartortle (1): AnimatedWiz
OutWorldER (1): TheHoldSteady
usesPython (1): heipizhu4
DragonEeater70 (1): Afrayed Knott
SmileyDude1 (1): DragonEater70

Not Voting: Hu Tao, Wartortle, blackbear, BlackStar, SmileyDude1

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

@Smiley, that was E-2 before you unvoted, not after (not sure if that's what you meant).

Anyway, while I don't think THS's wagon is NECESSARILY scum motivated, I do think it's >rand that there would be at least one scum who voted them (regardless of THS's alignment), simply because that's how early game wagons work. I like Wartortle, I hate myself but know am not scum*, I semi-like Pythin and I'm trying to pocket Naerys.

So that leaves SmileyDude1 who I am being told is towny this game, and OWER who I feel is lacking vibes-wise.

VOTE: OWER

*this is a joke, I don't hate myself

[DragonEater70]

Wow I actually managed to get the openwolfing vibe right this time.

I am impressed.

Who knew openwolfing as town could be so fun. I guess I understand Firebringer now.

[DragonEater70]

Also Wiz could definitely be scum here.

[DragonEater70]

I, personally, am finding myself scumreading Wartortle—I admit it’s just base intuition for that read, though.

Please elaborate on this

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Also Wiz could definitely be scum here.

This is pretty spicy

Is it?

VOTE: wiz

VOTE: Wiz

I feel like Naerys has the worst vote on the wagon, but like, not enough to do anything about it

Spoiler:

So, what else? Outworlder scum for continuing to push this narrative even when there's new evidence to work against it?

this does not make sense.

in 32 OWER calls dragon scum for self-consciousness

in 33, python says that's normal for town dragon

in 34, OWER can't find town dragon doing something similarly self-conscious

then, THS says that OWER is scum because OWER in 34 would have dropped his bad line of reasoning instead of elaborating and looking at dragon's past game

this is a bad argument.

i do not find python's evidence in 33 convincing enough to make OWER's 34 seem idiotic or scummy, and i do not like how THS tries to frame 33 as completely convincingly refuting OWER's case on dragon.

THS seems suspicious indeed

Like this just gives off bad vibes, feels like she wants to push THS without calling wartle town

Yah

Also, Naerys is limbait 99% of the time.

[DragonEater70]

Scum keeps underestimating me tho

That's true

I wasn't trying to say you are a bad player lol

[DragonEater70]

Every post I read of his strikes me as… alteriorly-motivated?

I mean I can see that with regard to his Page 1 posts, but what about other pages? I don't feel his thought process on THS v. OWER was ulteriorly-motivated.

or even maybe I’m subconsciously opposed to Wartortle mostly due to him thinking I’m
scummy?

That sounds like a reasonable explanation of it

I just feel like Wartortle is trying to do a lot of persuading very early off of very little, which could be a playstyle thing… but as of now, best scumread I have.

It definitely reads as a playstyle thing to me. But Okay, it's your biggest SR. Who's your second biggest? Who are your TRs?

[DragonEater70]

Wow I'm actually getting a Newbie game vibe out of this game, which is enjoyable because Newbies are pretty enjoyable I'd say.

Anyhow, time to powerwolf.

His posts on THS are, to me, a very strong argument for so early on

Is that scummy?

likely to pressure THS like everyone else was with their votes, though

WDYM?

I don’t feel like I have any other substantial reads just yet—most everyone who’s posted is either a bit suspicious in my opinion, or null from not having posted much (we still have two players who haven’t said anything, after all). I tend to start out being suspicious of everyone, so it always takes a bit for me to townread someone early on.

Are your reads normally like this early? Or do you normally have more townreads?

I'm aware there are two players who haven't posted and I'm definitely considering the possibility that one or both could be scum, but that doesn't really stop me from having reads on anyone else.

I will say, I am appreciating you, Python, and Smiley providing a lot of thoughts on these posts—I think that being able to see them as D1 goes on will allow me to sort y’all far easier due to the volume of material (and being able to see the trajectory of it through time).

Okay that's another thing that concerns me - are we all null to you? Or are we all suspicious to you? How come?

[DragonEater70]

Usually I’m a bit slower to develop solid reads than other players, yes

Hmm, I see. A quick meta dive makes me hesitant to believe you about this, because you had more early reads in Mini 2311 than in Mini 2313, but I will say that there are things in your play that could be more similar to 2311 than 2313.

Juxtaposition is often a great tool for me.

That is pretty valid, I'll give you that.



However, I noticed a lot of your thoughts are "I could see this being either town or scum", which is slightly concerning because it's exactly the opposite of what you praise Python for - how can you be held accountable if you don't take stances?

Additionally, the thing that initially prompted me to scumread you was your complete lack of read on the THS vs OWER situation. I feel you kinda skirted around it by asking Afrayed for HIS read on THS and then saying you didn't like Tortle's aggressivenes - but I want to know what's YOUR read on THS/OWER. Do you think one of them is scum? Who? Or do you think both/neither are scum?

I was not implying that the three of y’all I mentioned were specifically null or suspicious for having a lot of thoughts

I know, I was looking at different posts and trying to figure out what you were saying, since you said "most everyone who’s posted is either a bit suspicious in my opinion, or null from not having posted much" (outside of Tortle), and then mentioned that this Trio will be more readable LATER ON because we gave content - so I wanted to verify whether or not you are saying that we aren't readable right now.

while you’re very meticulous with your questions to me (which to me rings as someone who wants to learn from the rest of the town to better cooperate later on)

Nah it's just me trying to pressure everything I can until you either mafslip or show yourself to be town.

the repeated joke about openwolfing (and your subsequent behavior of trying to take charge and posting a lot) makes me pause,

as it could very easily be a cover for actually openwolfing

Okay this made me chuckle. Of course it's not a cover for openwolfing, I am ACTUALLY openwolfing. Which alignment I'm doing this is the only question. But just so it's clear, I decided to play in an intentionally scummy way because I like trying out different playstyles and I feel this playstyle is the most fitting for this game.

Also, I don't really feel I've tried to take charge, but if you do feel that way then that flatters me.

After all, if you say you’ll pocket someone in a joking manner, you have a defense prepped in case anyone accuses you of it later.

Hmmm, the thing is - have I actually done anything to pocket Naerys? Not really. Saying I would pocket her is entirely an in-joke based on the fact that I think Naerys is a fiercely independent person who will never agree to be pocketed. Maybe if I bribe her with some chocolate she will change her mind though...

You’ve also been very, uh, flip-floppy so far? It’s not bad to change your reads early, but the way you’ve kind of announced your intent to lead and be convincing is a mismatch with your actual reads and votes.

I don't think I announced any intent to lead? Where have I done that?

Regarding flip-flopping, yes I've changed my a few of my reads because this is early and they're mostly weak reads and I'm adapting them as the situation evolves and people post more content. It actually gives me pause that you are pointing it out as something that gives you pause - do you expect me to stick to my page 1 scumlean of tortle after he's provided plenty more content to read him off of? Should I continue voting Smiley after it was affirmed to me that he is being towny and in his town meta (by people who know him better than me), and that his thought process matches the thought process of other townies?

This actually feels like a weird shade you are throwing my way, sorry to say that.

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You have more questions that reads, and those questions tend to have a lot more text than your own feelings on things (not all the time the though—posts like 118 are substantial).

I'm not sure I agree. I did post quite a few questions, but i also posted quite a few original thoughts - I just counted and aside from the last few posts interrogating you (which are that way BECAUSE they are interrogation), the ratio of original thoughts to asking other players about their thoughts is about 2 to 1 in favor of original thoughts (yeah I know, being overly concerned with yourself is scummy yada yada - the point is that I think Wiz is stretching the truth here quite wildly).

Additionally, you seem to be making a lot of strong arguments with lacking evidence in the vein of what I was talking about with Wartortle (like 118, again),

and also sort of collaborating with him?

Not sure what you mean by this

Do you not normally collaborate with your townreads?

[DragonEater70]

The interaction between DragonEater and Annie feels TvT to me

Who're your scumreads?

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Also I just wanna say:

While I believe a lot (all?) of Ani's posting could come from town, I've caught scum early game in the past and then let them go because it was "TvT". I want to continue this until I actually feel confident about Wiz one way or another.

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I'm not sure :/

Smiley and THS I was scumreading at some point as well as OWER, but none of these are as strong right now as they were.

I think I want to see more posts from all three of them honestly.

Why are you scumreading these two?

Pedit: I don't really agree Naerys :/

[DragonEater70]

BlackStar (IDK why I keep calling you DarkStar in my head), do you still feel Wiz is posting like in his scumgame?

[DragonEater70]

@BlackStar - I've been getting the same weird vibes from SD1, but Python and THS are saying he's town so :shrug:

@Ani - when I say "openwolf" I mean "play in an intentionally scummy way, without making any effort to appear towny". Usually that term is indeed applied to mafia, but it can be applied to town as well.


Anyway I really wanna read more about your meta, because your playstyle here is quite hard for me to objectively read, I feel. I will do that tomorrow.

@OWER - can see your viewpoint.

[DragonEater70]

Enchant replaces blackbear.

THS please unvote, I don't want day ending early.

[DragonEater70]

I always mess up quotes lol

I never understand how people manage to break them though.

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Smiley

This feels like the right move

Why did you wait, and what changed your mind?

Also, is nobody going to ask why I think this feels like a Newbie game?

[DragonEater70]

This is a simple game. So finding scum should be simple. Right?

No, it's because so far I've always seen the most analysis and the most reaching occurring in Newbies - Normals tend to be laid back in my experience, and Themes tend to be spammy with very little analysis and a lot of mech talk and vibe-based reads. Here there's actual analysis which feels distinctly like how Newbies are played.

I wanted to see more posts from THS and Smileydude. THS raging, calling everybody dumb and self voting felt really townie. Smiley hasn’t posted in a while, so I want to pressure him into being more active so I can sort him

Hmm yeah I agree. It does read very much like town!THS (though I don't recall having much experience if any with scum!him).

Voting as a way to get someone to post is a bit ineffective in my opinion, but sure, I guess that's valid.

lazy ass reads

First of all, I didn't explain the reasoning but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Second of all, yeah I was lazy when I wrote that.

will i get townread if i post stuff that vaguely sounds like content a lot

on the chat mafia sites i played on that was true

I'd say that will get you mildly townread by 60% of players and scumread by 30% of players (not in this game but in general).

this is the least spicy take i have seen in my life

I agree. I think town!Python has a slightly unusual way of looking at spiciness, so I don't think that's scum indicative for them.

why would ths being scum necessitate me being town? why would naerys be expected to call me town there?

THS being scum doesn't necessitate you being town, BUT you are towny regardless and I find it weird that other people aren't seeing that (I don't mind Naerys not saying it as much as I mind Wiz scumreading you).

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THS raging, calling everybody dumb and self voting felt really townie.

yeah it is, unfortunately

i'm gonna VOTE: python

Why?



ALso, VOTE: Enchant
I really hated that entrance.

[DragonEater70]

I always mess up quotes lol

I never understand how people manage to break them though.

Quoting from the preview can break quotes

Oh okay, thanks

UNVOTE: THS

So far I have little to no confidence in this town

This is not towny reaction

Why do you say that—is it just this unvote, or including the self-vote?

I second the question, even though I don't think a self-vote is scummy.

[DragonEater70]

What do you think of DE, Enchant? I mean, aside from the return vote?

VOTE: Wiz

This is such a useless question to ask and it's making me feel Wiz is just trying to appear like he's solving and engaging, but doesn't have any real intent behind it.

THS raging, calling everybody dumb and self voting felt really townie.

yeah it is, unfortunately

i'm gonna VOTE: python

Why?



ALso, VOTE: Enchant
I really hated that entrance.

Can you elaborate on this? AFAIK Enchant seems to have a jokey NotMafia-esque vibe to them so gut instinct is that's an NAI entrance for them.

You are right, but I feel town!Enchant does make an effort to solve while scum Enchant doesn't. It's probably too early to judge, but honestly I expected town!Enchant to come in and vote someone and talk about how that person is obvscum, even if it was in a trollish way and with troll reasoning.

However that read is a weaker scumread than that that I just got on Wiz from asking that question.

[DragonEater70]

I only have one where I played start to finish (I don't count 3p traitor as "scum") , here you go:

viewtopic.php?t=91408

[DragonEater70]

Ah, is that what you were trying to ask?

I didn't understand it at all lol

UNVOTE:

[DragonEater70]

I feel like you're tunneling here tbh

I feel so too

[DragonEater70]

Lol this is town!Python

[DragonEater70]

Or should I say town!Alice? Idk

[DragonEater70]

Since when do you care about looking suspicious?

Also I guess you do tend to troll before you solve as town so nvm

I am torn, i think both you have valid points

Who is this in reference to?

[DragonEater70]

Naerys do ypu have any other reads other than THS scummy?

[DragonEater70]

Meh I don't have good scumreads

Should I just engage sheep mode and sheep the best player here?

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OutWorldER(says he likes to pressure lurkers but lurks himself)

:p unfortunately I work closing shifts which bites into most of my free time. I've been trying to keep up but it's difficult.

I don't really agree with Wortle's opener being scum theater it looked a lot more like townie trying to bait interaction to me and I think he's been fairly townie since then as well.

Keeping my vote on Hu Tao because 217 is awful.

Wow I completely missed 217.

VOTE: Hu Tao

[DragonEater70]

I think that' E-3 probably.

[DragonEater70]

Null:BlackStar

Q: what made BStar move up to null from sus?

(as he was here:)

It feels like " look how i am working with town to catch the scum", attempt to get some info and position urself into town reads

Also can I complain about 90% of the playerlist using he/him pronouns which makes me paranoid that I'm misgendering people every time I write "he"? Oh is that only a me problem? NVM then

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I don't have enough meta on Wiz to say this is absolutely damning, but I feel the fact that he constantly acts as if he doesn't mind being pushed at all reads like newbscum rather than town.

Can someone explain what is so towny about wiz?

[DragonEater70]

I say this without a vote because I've been told I'm tunneling and I want to hear your opinions first.

[DragonEater70]

I started going through the list of ISOs in alphabetical order to see if anything sticks out.

Annie I don't really feel too strongly about either way. Which is...different? When we were town together last time I felt him as town pretty quickly.

That's my point, his posting feels very neutral in a way that reminds me of his behavior in ELo in his last scumgame.

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VOTE: Enchant

That's a weird vote after you make a pretty convincing case on Ani.

[DragonEater70]

Embarrassing, but I I feel asleep while writing a post where I voted Wiz.

Let me quickly catch up on the last few posts.

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Enchant

That's a weird vote after you make a pretty convincing case on Ani.

You've gone back and forth through this thread on whether you think I'm town or scum without making as firm a stance as everyone else and honestly, with this post it makes me worried you're still fence-sitting while also nudging me in a dour direction towards voting Wiz.

Yeah as I said I was just about to make a post voting wiz right after this one and then fell asleep.

[DragonEater70]

Anyway I should probably continue sleeping and vote in the morning

[DragonEater70]

Si, apparently my body is refusing to go to back to sleep despite it being 3:50 AM.

So I am gonna respond to Wiz here and ask: what's so weird about my posts? That I wanted to vote you? That I didn't want to accidentally hammer you half-asleep without catching up?

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Just for the record, this is the post I typed out earlier (before I fell asleep):

VOTE: Wiz

I just don't see anything towny about him. I'm not saying the slot *screams* "scum", but I feel I could towncase literally everyone in this game except Wiz, Enchant and Hu Tao. And Hu Tao has made 2 posts. And Enchant is Enchant.

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Wiz

Just checked, far outside hammer range.

[DragonEater70]

VOTE: Enchant

That's a weird vote after you make a pretty convincing case on Ani.

You've gone back and forth through this thread on whether you think I'm town or scum without making as firm a stance as everyone else and honestly, with this post it makes me worried you're still fence-sitting while also nudging me in a dour direction towards voting Wiz.

I disagree, I've been pretty consistently townreading you and only voted you once because you went down to null and I was seeping Tortle. Literally every other time I was townreading you.

[DragonEater70]

Sheeping, obviously

[DragonEater70]

I'd say I vibe with OWER's recent posting as well.

AnimatedWiz, i'm somewhat neutral about right now. Like i'm not sensing anything right now that strikes me as unpure about their posting, but i'm not really getting anything that strikes as town either. Might take a deeper look on them at some point if I have time.

@Smileydude1

Besides THS, who do you town read right now?

Right now my top townreads are Python and Wartortle. Would put Dragon and Hold right behind them

I do feel like Wiz is the best wagon right now simply because 245 sent off a lot of alarm bells in my head and I think it'd be easier to solve people who are on a Wiz wagon than on a Hu Tao wagon.

I'm not sure if I'm reading that post right, where did Naerys sheep you and why does it imply scum!Naerys? And tbh Naerys dig for me being inactive was deserved because I genuinely wasn't posting at a good volume beforehand because of work.

If I could ask you, OWER, what are your reads right now?

DE, THS, Wartortle <-- Townreads
Smiley <-- Townlean
Naerys, Python <-- Null
Enchant <-- Scumlean
You, Hu Tao <-- Scumreads

I just want to point all these posts as reads/posts which I think come from town, so I'm adding Smiley as a medium townlean and OWER as a strong townlean (not a town read yet).

[DragonEater70]

Just for the record, this is the post I typed out earlier (before I fell asleep):

VOTE: Wiz

I just don't see anything towny about him. I'm not saying the slot *screams* "scum", but I feel I could towncase literally everyone in this game except Wiz, Enchant and Hu Tao. And Hu Tao has made 2 posts. And Enchant is Enchant.

I think this is another example of you trying push me while leaving the backdoor open—saying I don’t “scream scum,” but still supporting the vote on me (and trying to make it even easier to disavow by saying it was the post you were “going to send” while you were sleepy).

Also, if you townread everyone except me and two people you don’t have much of a read on yet, you don’t have enough scumreads. I think you are trying to avoid offending everyone to go with the flow.

I didn't say I townread everyone, I said I COULD make a towncase on everyone. I was pretty explictly not townreading smiley when I wrote that.

[DragonEater70]

I just don't feel Ani's progression on me sounds real at all tbh.

[DragonEater70]

And Ani, you don't scream scum because of you are scum you are deliberately playing in a very careful not to be scummy way, which is exactly what I am scumreading. So obviously you won't look overly scummy.

[DragonEater70]

Currently my reads are something like this:

Townreads:
Wortle
Python
BlackStar
THS
Townleans:
OWER
Slight townleans:
Smiley
Null:
Hu Tao
Heipizhu4
Naerys?
Afrayed Knott
Slight scumlean:
Naerys?
Strong Scumlean:
Enchant
Wiz
Scumread:
No one

Tbh I completely forgot Heipizhu4 and Afrayed Knott even existed until now (I just checked the playerlist while making this)

[DragonEater70]

Currently my reads are something like this:

Townreads:
Wortle
Python
BlackStar
THS

Townleans:
OWER

Slight townleans:
Smiley

Null:
Hu Tao
Heipizhu4
Naerys?
Afrayed Knott

Slight scumlean:
Naerys?

Strong Scumlean:
Enchant
Wiz

Scumread:
No one

Tbh I completely forgot Heipizhu4 and Afrayed Knott even existed until now (I just checked the playerlist while making this)

For readability.

[DragonEater70]

Then explain why you are sounding similar please.

[DragonEater70]

Wiz my friend, you are doing exactly that this game as well. It feels like you are not committing yourself to any scumreads except when you OMGUS me right after saying I went up in your reads. It just sounds extremely off.

[DragonEater70]

i made this image specifically for if we won.

Spoiler: Image

GG's all. Fun game, fun setup. No redactions on my end.

Love it!

Well played scum!

Sorry town that I had to rep out.