Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5

[T3]

ssbm_Kyouko died in the night. She was a Town Hider.
geraintm died in the night. He was a Vanilla Townie.

[T3]

Day 4 VC 1:

Not voting (6): DragonEater70, Celebloki, Doctor Drew, Black, Hu Tao, Dannflor

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2023-12-22 14:38:00). With 6 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate and 3 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

[Black]

I want to fade Dannflor here

[Hu Tao]

How does hider work again? Scum killed gera?

[Celebloki]

Yeah Hider dies if the person they were hiding with dies. So she must have hid behind gerain and gerain got NKed.

[Black]

How does hider work again? Scum killed gera?

Yep

And I'm assuming scum killed gera because he's probably the lowest information slot in the game

[Celebloki]

I can see why geraintm was the NK, he was generally low info kill and everyone was basically giving him a pass for hammering gob.

[Black]

I encourage everyone to look at my 972 and 974 and explain to me why it's not just Alianna/Dannflor here

[Celebloki]

I really feel like it's gotta be Drew. Do we think Drew was the NK target N2?

I can see the logic now that Kyouko would believe Black's claim. Hider makes sense with a Lazy Vig. If we believe Dragon's claims and targets, he saved Black N1 ( I still think Black is town) and blocked/saved Drew N2. I'm more inclined to believe that was a block and not a protect.

[DragonEater70]

I encourage everyone to look at my 972 and 974 and explain to me why it's not just Alianna/Dannflor here

I was TRing both of them

But uhhhh

Let me read their ISOs

[DragonEater70]

Also

I love that you guys no limmed to get on an odd number only so we can get back to an even number

[Black]

So it's either Cele, Hu, Drew, or Dannflor

I don't want to tunnel here because I did that with kyouko and I was clearly wrong. I'll try to look over things and start eliminating some of these possibilities

[DragonEater70]

Okay having skimmed Aliana's ISO I guess I could see her being scum and trying to pocket Drew. And also maybe trying to avoid to committing on a read on me in a hope I just get mislimmed.

BUT I am pretty sure Drew is mechanically scum. Can someone explain to me why he is not scum? Like Black, do you think Aliana/Dannflor no killed twice in a row?

[Black]

Okay having skimmed Aliana's ISO I guess I could see her being scum and trying to pocket Drew. And also maybe trying to avoid to committing on a read on me in a hope I just get mislimmed.

BUT I am pretty sure Drew is mechanically scum. Can someone explain to me why he is not scum? Like Black, do you think Aliana/Dannflor no killed twice in a row?

I don't really know what to think. It feels like there are too many possibilities

Would Alianna have wanted me dead N1? Maybe. I did express doubt on her a few times D1

If she didn't think she would be a JK target then she could have submitted the no-kill to frame someone, and then tried to kill Drew N2 if she was worried he would catch on to her

I just don't really know. My mind is going in too many different places here

[Black]

If Dragon's target flips town, I'll probably still townread him tbh.

Well, this has been a long second.

Assuming an execution every day and a kill every night from now on (which may not even happen), we've got four executions left. So we're in a good position.

I don't think I'd ever yeet Dragon or Drew.
I like geraintm's vibes but I'm not sure that's enough to definitively un-POE them.
Idk what I think of Tao and Cele.
Black probably needs to be resolved at some point, but I would want Kyouko to claim before voting there.
Yeeting Umlaut is fine.

Have to think on massclaim.

I guess if Alianna was trying to frame me then maybe she would have pushed me more after Dragon revealed that he jailed me, but I don't really think she had to. The Umlaut wagon gained a decent amount of momentum. Alianna did say she wanted kyouko to claim before voting for me. That could have been her trying to get kyouko to do so. Idk

[Black]

It just feels so weird to see Alianna trying to rush the day, and her joining the Umlaut wagon just feels like she was ok with the mislim

If Drew is the better mechanical play then that's fine, but I don't think we can let Dannflor get to ELO

[Dannflor]

I'm also inclined to think Drew is scum here

[Black]

I haven't really thought it was Cele but he has been rather appease-y and lurky so I could see it

I do slightly want to apologize to you, I still think you are likely scum lol, but I was in a mood yesterday and probably came off a bit too much like a stubborn dick.

I think you are correct, scum or town, I do need to be a bit more open with my reads. And ironically enough I have felt the same way about Cele as of late. Like as we were arguing and your read of me started to become and scum read, it did feel a little like he was trying to stoke the flame.

I promise this is not a pocket attempt haha.

Also if we have to lose Aliana, I could not think of a better person than Dann to replace her.......look at this, Drew spreading the holiday cheer all around!

This does feel really weird considering I've been Drew's #1 pick for scum for awhile now

[Dannflor]

I started the gob quick wagon.

[Dannflor]

I think gob is scum.

I don't think Drew is scum, but if he is the gera does have some partner equity.

Anyway, VOTE: gob

any crumbs?

VOTE: gob

UNVOTE:

I'm also okay with a gob wagon. He's also in my shortlist after my re-read and I'm inclined to give a PR claim a chance.

VOTE: gob

VOTE: gob

huh

[Dannflor]

I'm also starting to get sus of Gob but I'm not sure why.

I'm also fine with a gob flash wagon

ig it comes from this

[Doctor Drew]

I would love a detailed report by Dragon and Dann(and anyone for that matter) about how I am mechanically scum, and Black isn't(calm down Dann, not saying she is scum, but we both were claimed to be jailed on Nights without a kill).

If you could have that report on my desk first thing in the morning that would be lovely.

I haven't really thought it was Cele but he has been rather appease-y and lurky so I could see it

I do slightly want to apologize to you, I still think you are likely scum lol, but I was in a mood yesterday and probably came off a bit too much like a stubborn dick.

I think you are correct, scum or town, I do need to be a bit more open with my reads. And ironically enough I have felt the same way about Cele as of late. Like as we were arguing and your read of me started to become and scum read, it did feel a little like he was trying to stoke the flame.

I promise this is not a pocket attempt haha.

Also if we have to lose Aliana, I could not think of a better person than Dann to replace her.......look at this, Drew spreading the holiday cheer all around!

This does feel really weird considering I've been Drew's #1 pick for scum for awhile now

Well I have backed off that a bit, but this post was after I had been calling you a scummy piece of shit for awhile so I felt I needed to step back a bit and consider what you are saying, and look elsewhere.

Then I chuckled to myself since it seemed like I went from tunneling you very hard to agreeing with points you are making, hence the pocket comment by me.

Speaking of Cele, still think it really is Cele, somewhat for reasons described in this post you quoted, Black.

I also could see Alianna targeting me as a NK like you said Black, she knows I can read her well and would eventually catch on to her not obv towning. So if not Cele I definitely could see it as Dann.

And of course still will paranoia on you haha

[Dannflor]

I don’t think you’re mechanically scum drew

[Doctor Drew]

I don’t think you’re mechanically scum drew

Was skimming at work, maybe it was just Dragon and Black saying that.

[Hu Tao]

I don't see myself ever voting drew this game