Large Normal 246: Game Over

[davesaz]

Gamma's play totally makes sense as bussing / distancing a partner who looked like she was going down.

[davesaz]

It seems weird that this is possible, but on looking at why Black was killed it looks like despite having over 200 posts that she was so all over the place that it was low information.

[davesaz]

183, so almost 200 not over...

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think Black was killed for being obvtown

[davesaz]

I don't ever think anyone is obvtown, but yeah that's possible too.

[davesaz]

davesaz

Naerys - meta/gut on similarities to town games
Dunnstral - meta/gut difficult to explain, now seeing what was missing before
Guillotina - Strong dislike for the string of "associations" wallposts, but I saw a town indicator
ssbm_Kyouko - the Gamma meta dive could be an elaborate ruse but otherwise feels very solvy

TimmerRC - flashes of being inquisitive
Keyleth - possible that the innocence is an act but I doubt it

Random Nurse - threatening -> manipulative, in my way of thinking
Broccoli Quest 2 - I get a TMI vibe. Can't really point to anything specific without more flips
Celebloki - Role that is often scum, and scum-sided targeting decisions. Not scum with Hu Tao

Roden - Frozen slot
Elements - More POE than anything. Could be I'm biased to scumread over playstyle
Andresvmb - Would be bottom by a mile if I didn't give some credit for RL difficulty, though if I'm honest with myself the "not scumhunting" thing that I look for is probably less accurate than I think
Hu Tao - known liar, fake claims as scum a lot, possible distancing.

[Elements]

Broccoli Quest 2 - I get a TMI vibe. Can't really point to anything specific without more flips

I'm also getting some red feels from Broccoli

[Dunnstral]

In any event, I haven’t read why Hu Tao is getting pushed today for some claim, but that’s a really easy way to lose the game (focusing on claims versus play).

Hu Tao claimed VT in like post 14 or something. Then way way later on, close to deadline, when they were getting close to eliminated, they claimed Complex Indecisive Doctor.

Gamma

tried to imply the Doctor claim could come from scum by claiming Gunsmith, a role that would be able to clear Millers but would get a false positive on a Scum Doctor.

I think it's pretty clear from what Gamma did that Hu Tao is town. This did not become clear until morning when Gamma flipped, so it's not an egregious scumclaim for Celebloki to have checked Hu Tao, but I really wish he had used his power some other way.

Fine.

VOTE: Roden

[Dunnstral]

I'm at page 11

Gamma Emerald - lean scum

Spoiler:

I claim miller

Same

jfc

Strange reaction

Gamma you've still got your rvs vote on me, why?

haven’t felt a need to move it
VOTE: KawaiiKame
They pinged me somewhat with how they unvoted kyouko, not strongly though

I feel like forgetting your vote is +scum and this reads a bit hedge-y

Outline some oh his best noobish posts please.

It’s really just the questions about scumteam size
They’re freaking standardized for Simple normal games atp, if these questions were genuine he should have gotten the memo by now. I know this game is complex but that changes nothing about how the simple guidelines established a baseline that’s set in stone.

I actually don't disagree about the question
But RN's alignment shouldn't be too hard to determine, so I guess I'm not too concerned about it yet

I could see these posts as mafia interacting with each other. The first read on Gamma here seems like they have too much information as the actual read is pretty weak and they never go anywhere with it.

Gob does not intertact with Gamma in a substantial way

[Dunnstral]

And I don't want to split focus today but I am suspicious of Keyleth as well.

[Naerys]

yeah Roden slot needs to appear and talk

[Naerys]

We are quite fractured and lurkers arent helping.

[Hu Tao]

Anyway I still think there is/was one scum on Hu Tao's wagon and since I TR everyone else (except Naerys who's just null town), I am going to VOTE: Roden

I guess he could be scum. Not sure

[Hu Tao]

Liars are dangerous and should always be eliminated, but that's a minority view that probably won't prevail.

[Hu Tao]

[Hu Tao]

I'd still prefer elements

[Elements]

I'd still prefer elements

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Anyway I still think there is/was one scum on Hu Tao's wagon and since I TR everyone else (except Naerys who's just null town), I am going to VOTE: Roden

I guess he could be scum. Not sure

I'd still prefer elements

I'm fine with either tbh

I saw Elements wasn't gaining traction so I switched, but I'll switch back if anyone else votes Elly.

@Dave, Naerys - which of Roden/Elements would you prefer voting, and why?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

davesaz

Naerys - meta/gut on similarities to town games
Dunnstral - meta/gut difficult to explain, now seeing what was missing before
Guillotina - Strong dislike for the string of "associations" wallposts, but I saw a town indicator
ssbm_Kyouko - the Gamma meta dive could be an elaborate ruse but otherwise feels very solvy

TimmerRC - flashes of being inquisitive
Keyleth - possible that the innocence is an act but I doubt it

Random Nurse - threatening -> manipulative, in my way of thinking
Broccoli Quest 2 - I get a TMI vibe. Can't really point to anything specific without more flips
Celebloki - Role that is often scum, and scum-sided targeting decisions. Not scum with Hu Tao

Roden - Frozen slot
Elements - More POE than anything. Could be I'm biased to scumread over playstyle
Andresvmb - Would be bottom by a mile if I didn't give some credit for RL difficulty, though if I'm honest with myself the "not scumhunting" thing that I look for is probably less accurate than I think
Hu Tao - known liar, fake claims as scum a lot, possible distancing.

Also I'm mindmelding with most of these reads so I think Dave might be finally town this game

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler: quote collection

Gamma you've still got your rvs vote on me, why?

This seems a bit overly defensive. In a weird way, I could see this be teammate talk. But not too strong of a read right now

!!!!!

Calling it. I was right on this.

VOTE: Elements

Let's listen to me today

Gamma you've still got your rvs vote on me, why?

This seems a bit overly defensive. In a weird way, I could see this be teammate talk. But not too strong of a read right now

!!!!!

Calling it. I was right on this.

VOTE: Elements

Let's listen to me today

k

VOTE: Elements

Good morning, Hu Tao lied. She’s vanilla.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Since i have seen town!Tao lie about being doctor, i suppose she could be town.
I dont see what scum!Broccoli would gain from defending town!Tao - more likely he would support the easy lim. Defending Hu Tao makes sense only in case of both town or both scum. Both being scum is something to think about.

Havent finished my thoughts here, lol. Sent it by mistake.
Anyway, while faking doctor is something Hu Tao did as town, i think we need to look at her behavior since beginning. First she claims vanilla, then when she gets pushed she claims doctor. At the very best she feels untrustworthy, at the worst these are scummy moves. She could be doing it bcz she knows there are players who have seen her faking doctor as town, so she counts on that those will TR her.
Conclusion: flipping Hu gives us decent info. It solves potential Hu+Broccoli+Gamma buddies.
VOTE: Hu Tao

VOTE: Hu Tao

Naerys it pains me to say this but I agree with Hu Tao that your read is rubbish.

Pedit: Gamma is a her btw.

Additionally, Elements you should probably unvote HT if you are town.

Yeah I should
UNVOTE:

Even though she wants me dead, I still don't think Kyouko's the play today.

This might seem completely out of left field, but I am just pondering scenario's.

In a game this size, and considering Hu Tao's claim of Complex Indecisive Doctor, is a second town protective role likely balance-wise or would that be too town sided?

I think i was hasty in believing Celebloki.
UNVOTE: Hu tao

VOTE: Elements

Yeah, if two of my big townreads are on this I will offer my support!

I’m in the middle of a deep dive of D1 so I’ll return with all my thoughts once I’ve fully caught up, which may take a few hours.

In the mean time, VOTE: Elements.

So Hu lied about their claim

but it's cool because they are obv-town, Dunn can't understand Black's role and how it resulted in Gamma's death, Celeb soft-suggested a protective role and apparently crumbed some clues but now says they are an investigator and yet we are believing them as well even though they will explain itall tomorrow, does that sum things up?

Was there a hard-claim on this?

If so I DO want this slot resolved NOW.

At the beginning Hu claimed vanilla, later after being pushed claimed doctor, its somewhere in her iso. I would find it, but i need to go to work

If this is the case then I'd like to see this slot flip Day 2.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Hu Tao vs Celebloki could contain a scum.
Hu Tao looks much worse, that slot is untrustworthy. Starting with her is less risky than limming potential useful town PR but also her flip gets plenty of useful info.
I wanted to go this way but allowed Broccoli and Hu to make me hesitate.
Out of the 3 i feel like Hu has the best chance of rolling scum.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Good morning, Hu Tao lied. She’s vanilla.

VOTE: Hu Tao

VOTE: Hu Tao

VOTE: Hu Tao

VOTE: Hu Tao

Ok Ive caught up, now time to back read for Gamma's spew.

I see Hu Tao was E-2 as of last night, could we not rush this Day please?

Dont have time to review these now but dont want to have to gather them again. I want to look at the votes from toDay.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Feels notable and possibly +town that Elements was on Hu Tao early, left quickly, and hasn't been on their wagon since given that Elements is the second-biggest wagon of the Day

[Jingle]

Vote Count 2.4

Hu Tao

(E-5): Random Nurse, Guillotina, Roden,

Elements

(E-5): Hu Tao, Keyleth, Andresvmb

Roden

(E-6): Broccoli Quest 2, Dunnstral,

Dunnstral

(E-8):

Broccoli Quest 2

(E-8):

Keyleth

(E-8):

ssbm_Kyouko

(E-8):

Celebloki

(E-8):

TimmerRC

(E-8):

Andresvmb

(E-8):

Naerys

(E-8):

davesaz

(E-8):

Guillotina

(E-8):

Random Nurse

(E-8):

Not Voting

: ssbm_Kyouko, TimmerRC, davesaz, Elements, Celebloki, Naerys,

With 14 alive it takes 8 to eject a player from the Game.

Deadline is (expired on 2023-12-17 14:00:00).

Mod Notes: None!

[Celebloki]

What's the case on Elements?

[Guillotina]

This sounds like town!Naerys to me.

Care to give me Naerys' full meta? Are they the kind of player that I should have low expectations from?

[Guillotina]

I know who the real doctor is. I thought it was pretty obvious? Check my ISO.

If the doctor is anyone else other than Hu Tao, why are you defending Hu Tao?
I'm not interested in getting the doctor outted, but how did you come by this info considering Celeb is the role cop?