Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5

[geraintm]

Hello .podt 6

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Sup nerds

VOTE: Hu Tao

VOTE: sssbm

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I think we should find out who's scum and then vote them

If only we had a way of doing that?

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scumreading me for a fake read even after i re-evaluated that read doesn't make me feel like you are trying to sort me in good faith

this post (and others) just make my head hurt.
I like games with certainties.

VOTE: altaria

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Sorry for my late arrival!

Altaria is locktown why you guys voting her?

Apart from a few mechanical reasons, never say this type of thing.

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scumreading me for a fake read even after i re-evaluated that read doesn't make me feel like you are trying to sort me in good faith

this post (and others) just make my head hurt.
I like games with certainties.

VOTE: altaria

what? this is easily the worst vote on my wagon

kyouko's was bad too but i think i lean town on her due to the pedantic nature of her posts so far. feels like newtown as opposed to scum

VOTE: geraintm

My votes can get worse, don't worry

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Tell me who I should be voting hu tao.

Naughty point

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Why naughty

Asking other people to help you vote allows you to vote and explain it away later.

Need to own your votes

[geraintm]

Sorry for my late arrival!

Altaria is locktown why you guys voting her?

Apart from a few mechanical reasons, never say this type of thing.

Why not?

Why naughty

Ger, can you answer both questions?

How on earth can anyone "locktown" anyone day 1 unless they are masons or they are scum.

It isn't helpful ruling someone put on day 1 when everything is a crapshoot

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Like how can you hope to find scum Day 1 when everything is a crapshoot, as you say, without having a few people you trust?

I don't expect to find scum day 1

[geraintm]

Then what's your goal D1?

Vibes

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Okay fiiiiiiiiiiiine, you can be scum.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

@Altaria - I see what you mean there. I've been looking through gob's completed games for a towngame but it's taken me quite a while to find one.

Man does everyone just blindly follow meta on this site?

What is a better town strategy? Looking up a players meta to understand how they play as certain alingments?

Or....

Voting players who shit post?

I will leave that on the table for discussion amongst the class

I like this post and I 110% agree with it, but somehow it makes me a little uneasy. There is no logical reason why.

Must be shading your buddy!

P-edit: Oh, why so?

Defcon was basically a meme game.

I nuked my buddy because I let Firebringer control my nuke, and almost rode that to a scum victory(Now that is some open wolfing lol)

It is so hard to get a solid read on anyone that game......was so fucking fun to play though.

See, this isnwhy naughty points are awarded for asking others on how to vote

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Though I have a question for you: I saw you townreading a bunch of people's posts and then putting them in null (IIRC), why is that?

And who are your actual scumreads?

Only person I did that with was Umlaut and I only gave them "approximately 1/17 of a townpoint" for a post where I felt we had similar thoughts.

The readslist was an accurate representation of my reads at the time I posted it. gob and Drew are a little sus to me now but I don't have any strong scumreads.

P-edit: there is now a lot of posts I haven't read.

Please choose other colours

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Not feeling sharp today. Just assume my vote is on thr longest wagon at all points

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VOTE: dragon eater

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VOTE: dragon eater

interesting that was not the longest wagon

you are right, it was the first one listed and i assumed Mod would be a normal human being and start from the top downwards

Love you Mod

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I am actually amazed that people wanted to hammer me without even letting me claim. Do you know that you can lose a PR like that?

just dont claim

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I don't think anyone is obv!maf though.

by day 3 i am always obvious if i am mafia. but not day 1

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I am pretty nai on Umlaut. Dragoneater I feel over explains themselves too much. Which is a sign of mafia.

ACTUALLY WITH THIS SAID

UNVOTE: Dragoneater[/unote]

We should actually keep Dragon Eater alive and instead vote someone else. DragonEater can be shot at night or something.
But generally it's bad practice to vote off the obv-wolf Day 1, since it makes the other ones harder to catch.

this is an awful post. and not just due to formatting

naughty point

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VOTE: gob
Seems fine

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Well, that was awesome

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VOTE: Umlaut


i think it's possible someone could have been bussing and if so it's probably just geraintm, but i wanted to go umlaut yesterday and i want to even more now

You think I bussed my partner from out of nowhere, when I could have let them claim to try and save themselves?

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I was expecting more over night honestly than a replacement of someone who's name I don't recognise anyways:)

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I jailkept Altaria

i reckon im on like 85% believing this.

I guess I'll claim? Why not

I'm a Lazy Vig. I tried to kill Umlaut last night but it didn't work because there's only 2 scum this game

Don't ask me why there is a Vig in a 10 person game because it doesn't really make sense, but I'm guessing the Lazy modifier balances it out somewhat

this i 99% believe

From D1 I thought my role would support a Vigilante on balance but that felt like it would be too swingy/powerful for town if it were in the game ungated. Lazy Vig makes a lot of sense to me

im happy with SSBM keeping stum on their role for now

idk, I think Umlaut is the yeet and we humbly request that Dragon pretend to JK Black again.

It's hard to see gob and Altaria/Black as partnered.

Umlaut's ISO is just terrible, especially when read alongside gob. Shades gob for his taking Drew's open wolf bait. Does similar waffling on committing to the DE wagon D1, he says hes all over the place and then quickly changes his mind about that. Shades the gob wagon while trying to push Hu Tao. gob conveniently leaves Umlaut out of basically all his his reads except for one time saying he is 'nai' on him.

VOTE: Umlaut

this feels a fairly hard push in light of no concrete info and just vibes. SSBm follows hard too? Post 684 from Black makes a similar point

VOTE: gob
Seems fine

Umlaut is at E-1

If you catch my drift

i ain't gonna do that day 2
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Notes for me on players

DragonEater70 << Jailkeeper - Voted GOB
Umlaut
Celebloki - Voted GOB
geraintm
ssbm_Kyouko <<< has an unclaimed PR
Doctor Drew
Black - lazy vig - Voted GOB
Hu Tao - Voted GOB
Aliana - Voted GOB

And i am going to admit, most players in this game i've got very little feelings on. i'd rather vote in the people off wagon though, so my pool of people i'm happy to vote off today is Umlaut and Doctor Drew

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i ain't gonna do that day 2

Was your D1 hammer intentional? I just assumed you didn't notice that he was at e-1

I wanted Day 1 to end. I think I thought I was the hammer, but it didn't matter much either way.

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You can't remember if you thought you were hammering or not?

I think I thought iwas the final vote, but even if I wasn't I was happy placing my vote there (vote counts can get fluid )

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I am vanilla

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Yes, I'm a VT.

Would really like a full claim from Kyouko. I'm not in the habit of arguing with PRs about when they should out but it kind of undermines the whole point of doing this if we don't get that info.

I'm happy right now to trust them that their claim should stay hidden

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VOTE: umlaut

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Are we still waiting in dragon?

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I don't think she should be in the town block though. I'm not even sure why geraintm is either. Can someone explain that to me?

Hammering my partner day 1, when I could have stayed silent and let them claim something to get the wagon off them. That is what ibthink you have to believe if you think I am scum?

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The other possible hammerers were Drew (claimed Intent), Kyouko, and Umlaut(Town). So I suppose if for the sake of argument geraintm is town that leave's gob's buddy on the wagon or in that list. In a similar argument to geraintm, would gob's buddy stay on the wagon for cred or try to derail it by leaving? The only person that left that wagon was Black, got argued back on by Drew I guess. There was a 5 hour gap between Black going back to the wagon and geraintm's hammer coming in.

Does scum!geraintm hammer or wait for the intent given by Drew? If Drew still had intent, why did he wait after Black rejoined? geraintm's hammer felt like he hadn't been paying attention to the game, came in caught up and joined a wagon/hammer, but I acknowledge that could be purposeful. Maybe they do if they feel they need to get cred before a townie does it.

Kyouko could certainly be pocketing Black with her so far non-claim claim. But I feel like for today this should still be believed.

This feels like another rambly post, but I'm kind of just doing stream of thought.

weren't most people waiting for them to come in and speak before their death?
i am sure they would have claimed something to at least buy them a day. something that most people, even with intent, would have caused them to jump elsewhere (and if their partner was around a reason to try something somewhere else?)

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This is getting awkward now

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VOTE: no elimination
Those who nearly got a wagon over the line...?!

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This is one of the weirder games I've player

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Sorry, this was one of the least interesting games I've been part of. It seemed so very random after day 1.

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There wasn't a dead thread