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[Flavor Leaf]

I thought Dragon's vote made CW e-2?

oh, DE was on CW earlier, unvoted, and revoted, huh?

That makes DE a little better for me.

[DragonEater70]

Fuck this I'm just going to sheep Flavor

Clearly he's not going to work with me and he's conftown so whatever

I'll graciously accept getting vigged tonight if Flavor is wrong

VOTE: cw

Pedit: okay that makes me feel slightly better about this vote

this is manipulative posting considering CW is E-1, and I'm not voting there.

It's not manipulative

You literally want cw/me/kyouko

I don't want me/kyouko

It's simple

[DragonEater70]

I thought Dragon's vote made CW e-2?

oh, DE was on CW earlier, unvoted, and revoted, huh?

That makes DE a little better for me.

Yuh

[Flavor Leaf]

Kyouko's tunnel on Lap was fake and meant to look like how they would do that as town, but i feel like Kyouko town tunnels, I would feel at least there's more reasoning here. Lap read was chosen, and it just ended up getting faded because we quickhammered. I think it was possible to go elsewhere for sure.

Kyouko's posting today has been extremely combative, and a specific side chosen. They are actively choosing their reads not analyzing, and getting there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fuck this I'm just going to sheep Flavor

Clearly he's not going to work with me and he's conftown so whatever

I'll graciously accept getting vigged tonight if Flavor is wrong

VOTE: cw

Pedit: okay that makes me feel slightly better about this vote

this is manipulative posting considering CW is E-1, and I'm not voting there.

It's not manipulative

You literally want cw/me/kyouko

I don't want me/kyouko

It's simple

I feel like I haven't said I want CW for multiple days now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I want in Kyouko, CW, or Dragon today.

Locking that in.

oh i said it this morning, lol.

Yeah, idk. something about CW doesn't feel right right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

You're gonna need more defense on Kyouko other than 'they always do this as town'.

because that makes me feel even more like Kyouko specifically chose to do this as scum knowing they could get away with it if players here know they 'always do that as town'.

[DragonEater70]

That's actually a good point

The thought process on Lap is kinda non-existent

Same with the thought process on me

I guess if Pav is town that makes Kyouko obvscum

I still can't get over my Pav scumread though

Gonna ISO dive and maybe meta dive him if I feel like it

Pedit: Flavor can you stop being like that

You are looking under the carpet for reasons to discredit me

[DragonEater70]

I want in Kyouko, CW, or Dragon today.

Locking that in.

oh i said it this morning, lol.

Yeah, idk. something about CW doesn't feel right right now.

It's literally 2 hours ago dude

[Flavor Leaf]

It'd be weirdly straightforward but it feels like it could just be {Laplacian, DE, ???}

Dragon feels like he wants anything

but

for the focus to be on Laplacian and Laplacian feels like he knows he's toast and is trying to Distance from DE before he goes down

Maybe waiting for daddy Flavor to come save the scumteam?

i also remember Kyouko having extremely surface level analysis that did nothing but discredit DE and I while pushing their agenda.

If Dragon is town, then Kyouko completely did this to 3 townies, and shaded in a 'daddy flavor coming to save scumteam' kind of way ages incredibly poorly.

And this lines up with Kyouko being scum rather than this just absolutely bad reads. You mix this in with her objective looking push on Pavowski, and not giving a lot of reads elsewhere, I think this is Kyouko on a mission.

[Flavor Leaf]

That's actually a good point

The thought process on Lap is kinda non-existent

Same with the thought process on me

I guess if Pav is town that makes Kyouko obvscum

I still can't get over my Pav scumread though

Gonna ISO dive and maybe meta dive him if I feel like it

Pedit: Flavor can you stop being like that

You are looking under the carpet for reasons to discredit me

No, I want reasons, and I'm asking you to work with me and give me reasons.

I legitimately want you to give me reasons so I can bounce back. That's how working with another player works. You give reasons and debate one another to help the other see if they are wrong.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Been already losing steam in this lategame but holy shit is this getting convoluted.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have no interest in discrediting anyone this game-- I have absolutely zero need to discredit anywhere. I am confirmed town.

I need reasons that I am not seeing to help layer my reads. I feel like you feel it's discrediting because you don't have any reasons, which is also telling. It happens, town think they have reasons sometimes but when they look deeper, it disappears, and if you are town, i believe this is happening to you right now, so I want you to vocalize further why you town read Kyouko.

For multiple reasons:

1: I don't see town reasons for Kyouko right now, and think they're almost a lock for scum.
2: If I am wrong, I would like to be convinced.
3: It also tests you, and forces you to make content that I can then read to layer my read on you further.

[Flavor Leaf]

Been already losing steam in this lategame but holy shit is this getting convoluted.

i think it's getting less convoluted, but i see why it can come across this way.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Pedit: Flavor can you stop being like that

You are looking under the carpet for reasons to discredit me

also this is kinda rich lmao

[Flavor Leaf]

what're your reads HPE?

[Flavor Leaf]

can you give me a short list for everyone?

[DragonEater70]

Okay reading Pav ISO yeah he's obvtown

VOTE: Kyo

Also FoSing HPE for the particular way it sheeped me on Pav

[DragonEater70]

I have no interest in discrediting anyone this game-- I have absolutely zero need to discredit anywhere. I am confirmed town.

I need reasons that I am not seeing to help layer my reads. I feel like you feel it's discrediting because you don't have any reasons, which is also telling. It happens, town think they have reasons sometimes but when they look deeper, it disappears, and if you are town, i believe this is happening to you right now, so I want you to vocalize further why you town read Kyouko.

For multiple reasons:

1: I don't see town reasons for Kyouko right now, and think they're almost a lock for scum.
2: If I am wrong, I would like to be convinced.
3: It also tests you, and forces you to make content that I can then read to layer my read on you further.

Discrediting not in the sense of scum doing it but you are just trying to make everything I say be wrong regardless of what I say

That's at least how it feels, obviously I don't think you are doing it intentionally but if you are tunneled you could be very well doing it unintentionally.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay reading Pav ISO yeah he's obvtown

VOTE: Kyo

Also FoSing HPE for the particular way it sheeped me on Pav

Page 52 is one of those pages that made me go 'oh, this feels like we're all town conversing' which when that can happen undisrupted it can create a synergy.

[Pavowski]

Help me out Flavor - you think Kyouko's tunnel on me today is ++scum, right?

But if CW is green, why does scum!Kyouko bother trying to case also-green me?

I won't say CW elimination was inevitable, but it wouldn't have taken a lot to get there

[Flavor Leaf]

I have no interest in discrediting anyone this game-- I have absolutely zero need to discredit anywhere. I am confirmed town.

I need reasons that I am not seeing to help layer my reads. I feel like you feel it's discrediting because you don't have any reasons, which is also telling. It happens, town think they have reasons sometimes but when they look deeper, it disappears, and if you are town, i believe this is happening to you right now, so I want you to vocalize further why you town read Kyouko.

For multiple reasons:

1: I don't see town reasons for Kyouko right now, and think they're almost a lock for scum.
2: If I am wrong, I would like to be convinced.
3: It also tests you, and forces you to make content that I can then read to layer my read on you further.

Discrediting not in the sense of scum doing it but you are just trying to make everything I say be wrong regardless of what I say

That's at least how it feels, obviously I don't think you are doing it intentionally but if you are tunneled you could be very well doing it unintentionally.

If Kyouko is scum, you would be wrong, and thus would need help seeing why you are wrong.

And if Kyouko is town, I need help seeing that you are right.

it's as simple as that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Help me out Flavor - you think Kyouko's tunnel on me today is ++scum, right?

But if CW is green, why does scum!Kyouko bother trying to case also-green me?

I won't say CW elimination was inevitable, but it wouldn't have taken a lot to get there

with me tunneling CW, it would have taken a lot?

They got to E-2 without you or me on them.

[Pavowski]

Okay reading Pav ISO yeah he's obvtown

VOTE: Kyo

Also FoSing HPE for the particular way it sheeped me on Pav

Dude HOW when you've been saying for days (RL days) I'm scum?

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Pavowski fade is scum beneficial because it keeps CW-HuTao/DE alive.

It also makes it likely that I vig CW specifically, so scum felt safer going outside of CW so I would vig there.