open 894: near vanilla (game over)

[Afrayed Knott]

Titus you are simply in this game because you are conf town and what is eating me is you are not utilising that position for the good of town. That's my POV. And it's not changing until you get in the game and help us win

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

oliver jeffers

vote count 5.5 !

shaddowez (3):

Dannflor, Aisa, ProjEctRy

Aisa (2):

Titus, Afrayed Knott

ProjEctRy (1):

OutWorldER

OutWorldER (1):

Bellaphant

JupiterXV (1):

shaddowez

not voting (2):

JupiterXV, Skygazer

with 10 alive, it takes 6 to repossess someone's reptile. day 5 ends in (expired on 2024-01-02 15:14:36)

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[Afrayed Knott]

@Mod

Hi Schadd

I'm voting Aisa

[Afrayed Knott]

VOTE: Aisa

I'm going to stick with my original thought

[schadd_]

fixed

[ProjEctRy]

2239 is a repeat (or the predecessor, I guess?) to Aisa from my last post in regards to my interactions with Black and T3.

when he tries to discredit or question people’s scum reads - they are largely in relation to defending or directing attention away from T3, who we now know to be scum.

Other than my push on Jupiter, who I was SRing based on his initial play on T3, where was I doing what you're claiming I was doing?

Excluding any posts arising from your push of Jupiter, your posts at 55, 119, 192, 209 and 1539, can all be construed as attempting to question or undermine any scum reads on T3.

Granted you could have genuinely believed T3 was town and then those posts wouldn’t be an issue, but early game a lot of your focus seemed to be defending or trying to undermine any scumread on T3, which just isn’t sitting right with me.

[JupiterXV]

bleh
i'll catchh up when i hhave time but i'm around ten pages not caught up which is. annoying
did anything actually relevant happen when i was gone or can i just realtime

[shaddowez]

Excluding any posts arising from your push of Jupiter, your posts at 55, 119, 192, 209 and 1539, can all be construed as attempting to question or undermine any scum reads on T3.

Granted you could have genuinely believed T3 was town and then those posts wouldn’t be an issue, but early game a lot of your focus seemed to be defending or trying to undermine any scumread on T3, which just isn’t sitting right with me.

I could potentially see how some (not all, but that is coming from the perspective of me knowing I'm town) could be construed that way. Not really much I can say to how you're reading into them, other than reiterating that since I didn't have a SR, I was really looking for stronger arguments from the people that were. If you'd like to dive into any of them specifically, I can try to remember what I was thinking at those points in the game.

[shaddowez]

but i'm around ten pages not caught up

How can you be 10 pages not caught up when this is on page 93, and in 2230 (which was on page 90) you caught up on pages 84-87?

[shaddowez]

No, see, I don't think you've done that, because I do actually see some 'follow up' from you. I was saying particularly with your day one read that you mention in the post you linked, that I disagred it was 'hunting' because of the lack of... consistency

I've reviewed his ISO a couple of times, and I'm not sure I see what you're saying. He's been SRing Project most of the game and has pushed a couple of times, but has also looked at other people. I realize it was early game and there was no guarantee of a lim yet, so these may have been safe posts, but 984 and 986 would be

reallllllly

risky for the third partner to say.

[JupiterXV]

but i'm around ten pages not caught up

How can you be 10 pages not caught up when this is on page 93, and in 2230 (which was on page 90) you caught up on pages 84-87?

that's the thing... i didn't finish catching up.

[JupiterXV]

you literally criticized me for leaving and not finishing it so idk what you're on about

[shaddowez]

As the pool shrinks I'm getting more paranoid. Several people are doing things that I don't like, but I'm not sure they're scummy.

Dann

: Asking everyone to focus on one particular person puts a preconceived notion in their heads. Could be a tactic to try and get a wagon for a mislim, or could legitimately be asking others for a sanity check.

Jupiter

: Multiple "I'm catching up"/"I'm not caught up" posts, several outbursts that could be AtE. Or, all of this could be playstyle.

AK

: Aggressive tone and shading Titus. Not a fan, but of all things this seems to be least likely from scum, as just leaving Titus alone probably works in scum's favor.

Aisa

: On top of other things, Aisa's current vote on me seems like a combination of OMGUS and hyperfocus based on Dann's suggestion. Gut is starting to tell me she's a mislim though.

I'm working a theory, but don't have time to put it into words right now. Will hopefully be able to do so this afternoon.

[shaddowez]

you literally criticized me for leaving and not finishing it so idk what you're on about

Because it's been a while since I've been in school, but I'm pretty sure that my math of 93-87 != 10 is accurate. And instead of actually catching up, you're doing things like complaining about the fact I'm calling you out on it.

[JupiterXV]

Multiple "I'm catching up"/"I'm not caught up" posts

im too busy to read through 250+ posts, it'll take over an hour or maybe two and that's not really time i can set down atm. early-game i'd spend over an hour on each long post and personally i prefer to avoid that as much as possible. i'm not sure why this is scummy to you

[JupiterXV]

Because it's been a while since I've been in school, but I'm pretty sure that my math of 93-87 != 10 is accurate. And instead of actually catching up, you're doing things like complaining about the fact I'm calling you out on it.

i said around ten, and i didn't even finish page 83 during my attempt to read it. holy

shit.

and that's physically not possible for me because when i catch up i like to sit down and do it all in one go, not in chunks.

[JupiterXV]

also where am i complaining abt you calling me out on not catching up? i'm pointing out that previously you stated i didn't finish, so this statement that i'm apparently so far ahead in my catch up makes no sense

[JupiterXV]

Dann: Asking everyone to focus on one particular person puts a preconceived notion in their heads. Could be a tactic to try and get a wagon for a mislim, or could legitimately be asking others for a sanity check.

dann is pushing you because no one else is scummy enough to be pushed...

[JupiterXV]

(from his pov)

[JupiterXV]

also dann is still town hes like... the towniest player here. cross my heart and hope to die
i just realized thsi could come across as pocketing. its okay because i dont give a shit

[shaddowez]

also where am i complaining abt you calling me out on not catching up?

i'm busy irl ? i have no time to do a full catchup dude

you literally criticized me for leaving and not finishing it so idk what you're on about

[shaddowez]

dann is pushing you because no one else is scummy enough to be pushed...

It's not Dann pushing me that's a problem. If he had specific arguments and said "I think shaddow is scummy because of [

x,y, and z

]" that's one thing, and while wrong doesn't seem like he's trying to make other people look at me negatively as a whole from the offset. This comes across as him saying "Hey shaddowez is scummy, you should go look at him and find reasons for him to be scummy"

[JupiterXV]

also where am i complaining abt you calling me out on not catching up?

i'm busy irl ? i have no time to do a full catchup dude

you literally criticized me for leaving and not finishing it so idk what you're on about

those arent complaints. they're just me stating i'm too busy to sit down and read through what i missed- not sure how you're getting that out of this

[JupiterXV]

dann is pushing you because no one else is scummy enough to be pushed...

It's not Dann pushing me that's a problem. If he had specific arguments and said "I think shaddow is scummy because of [

x,y, and z

]" that's one thing, and while wrong doesn't seem like he's trying to make other people look at me negatively as a whole from the offset. This comes across as him saying "Hey shaddowez is scummy, you should go look at him and find reasons for him to be scummy"

he's not saying that though
he's saying that everyone else in the poe has reasons to be townread while you don't, and is asking others on their opinion
right? or am i reading thsi wrong

[Aisa]

Finally back - hope everyone that celebrates had a nice Christmas.

I know I have a lot of catching up to do - only having seen the current page so far, if there's a wagon on me and you're on it, it's bad and you should feel bad.

Working backwards for now - in response to 2243, I'm not sure what you're aiming at here. I

never

defended Black, had a SR toward the end of D1 and voted her D2 pretty much as soon as I came back from my V/LA.

As for T3, I was pretty vocal about not liking the wagon or SRing him. You're post makes it sound like I was soft defending (I wasn't, there wasn't really a defense outside of I don't SR him) and not pushing him, which again - why would I push someone I didn't SR when I was voting someone I did?

In 2243 I was trying to say that your interactions with T3 and Black - the timing of your defending and pushing them, the other slots you aligned yourself with, the positions you chose to take throughout the game - feel like they could come from scum to me.

The point was never that you defended Black (you didn't). Nor, obviously, that you shouldn't have voted for your scumreads if you are town. The point is that on days 1 and 2 you were often on team "Why is T3 scummy? Not a fan of the T3 wagon." And (to echo Project) if that was a genuine read it's fine, but my whole point kind of is that you didn't push T3.