open 896: describing conker (game over)

[Meuh]

Hi I am meuh
VOTE: JupiterXV

[Meuh]

Elements are you scum?

[Meuh]

I'm town!

[Meuh]

I'm town!

Is that what you'd say if you were red team though...

Is this what you'd say if you were mafia?...

[Meuh]

My current gameplay is unfakeable I would never act this way as scum

[Meuh]

Your lack of confidence in your own towniness is telling...

[Meuh]

Your lack of confidence in your own towniness is telling...

Telling of what?

Telling that you're actually scum

[Meuh]

Your lack of confidence in your own towniness is telling...

Telling of what?

Telling that you're actually scum

Nah, if I was scum I'd be in the mini hood with Daisy

Not sure I believe you

[Meuh]

I don't see why it's a guarantee that you neighbourize me if evil? I've had a very good track record of being read well early on in my summer on ms playing with you so like, it's not out of the realm of possibility you as scum just avoid that day 2 1v1 that would prolly happen.

[Meuh]

I believe Daisy

[Meuh]

Probably should've re-read what daisy said before using that as evidence of my towniness

Spoiler:

[Meuh]

I feel like it's best to not commit to killing in either hood and just treat the game fluidly for now, since that probably gives us the best info

[Meuh]

I feel like it's best to not commit to killing in either hood and just treat the game fluidly for now, since that probably gives us the best info

But consider this, winning on Day 1

I'll consider it in like 5-6 business days

[Meuh]

SO TRUE!!!

[Meuh]

I have some banger opening posts damn

[Meuh]

I feel like if we kill in the big hood, we should be taking the opinions of people in the big hood more seriously than the ones in the small hood on who to kill
The knowledge that there are no partners to help each other in the big hood helps us here

[Meuh]

I only know Dann and Project in this game, Dann a little more so than Project. But neither of them that well. Just know Danns very good at playing scum and is also a very good scum hunter.

We played a game together

[Meuh]

Quick question what is a deep wolf, I’m guessing it’s something to do with someone playing a good scum game and staying hidden or is that a way of guess. I’ve seen it mentioned in a few games where Dann has been labeled with it, but never really asked. Seems important here though?

That’s pretty much it, well hidden wolf

[Meuh]

am i town for being in the little neighborhood can any meta truthers back me up

my instinct is that ydrasse wants to not be perceived

Yeah my gut told me scum Ydra doesn’t wanna be in small hood

[Meuh]

I only know Dann and Project in this game, Dann a little more so than Project. But neither of them that well. Just know Danns very good at playing scum and is also a very good scum hunter.

We played a game together

I don’t recall to be honest, that may have been a month or so back when pulled out of all my games for challenges in RL. Which game?

viewtopic.php?t=91827

[Meuh]

shit sorry i'm here
don't really have time to catch up, do we lim in small hood first?

We’re limming you first

[Meuh]

You’re at E-1

[Meuh]

Day 1 insta-win?... please

[Meuh]

[Meuh]

I’ll post tomorrow, I just lost my Job.

Sorry to hear

[Meuh]

I vaguely recall Afrayed getting pushback on his approach to the game, similarly to here, in the game we played together
His posting so far hasn’t stuck out to me as different from the town gameplay from that other game
Do want to look more into this meta later but rn I’m not really feeling this wagon

[Meuh]

Lol Black you’re currently at E-1, good luck

[Meuh]

Lol Black you’re currently at E-1, good luck

Who in the small hood do you think is most likely to be scum atm

I was thinking Elements, but I have a similar feeling in regards to Ydra that I did the last time I played with her when she was scum, and that fills me with dread

[Meuh]

I feel kinda meh about Ari too fwiw no one in that hood is doing anything that’s been pinging me as town

[Meuh]

This is perhaps the liveliest this one's seen a game be this early on with the amount of scumreads already going around.

I have none, is that an issue?

I still have cheese... here ducky ducky ducky

Not feeling a more significant dive into Afrayed, but I’ll just drop this off here

[Meuh]

Lol Black you’re currently at E-1, good luck

Who in the small hood do you think is most likely to be scum atm

I was thinking Elements, but I have a similar feeling in regards to Ydra that I did the last time I played with her when she was scum, and that fills me with dread

this is a very vague comment, what game are you recalling?

Fire Emblem game on MU
I get a similar feeling when looking at your posts that I dismissed in that game but now feeling them again looking at your posts here, it’s making me concerned

[Meuh]

I’m not sure if your posting there is actually similar, it’s what my heart tells me that’s lining up

[Meuh]

Lol Black you’re currently at E-1, good luck

Who in the small hood do you think is most likely to be scum atm

I was thinking Elements, but I have a similar feeling in regards to Ydra that I did the last time I played with her when she was scum, and that fills me with dread

this is a very vague comment, what game are you recalling?

that I dismissed in that game

[Meuh]

VOTE: meuh

VOTE: Meuh

VOTE: Meuh

[Meuh]

Pressuring me is probably good for the gamestate actually

[Meuh]

I forgot to add, I don't feel the Meuh wagon at all. but again I could be bias

My read on Meuh slipped when I realised my reason for townreading em was flawed. She originally came into the hood with a more nuanced take on how the hoods should operate and I was like "woah she knows what she's on about I like her". This isn't a good reason to townread someone tho, having that pre-knowledge if anything is very slightly mafia-indicative cause they're the ones who would've been chatting in their pt about the setup and their positioning prior to the start of the game.

My take on the hoods was like, extremely surface level and my analysis I had after thinking about it for like 5 minutes, so this idea is pretty ???
Can't say I adored the post you made right before mine there, not taking a stance (like not even voicing a lean) in whether you want to lim in the big or small hood feels overly passive

[Meuh]

meuh it’s very funny that you said pressuring you was good for the gamestate and then promptly disappeared

Spoiler: Literally me

Too sleepy

[Meuh]

I forgot to add, I don't feel the Meuh wagon at all. but again I could be bias

My read on Meuh slipped when I realised my reason for townreading em was flawed. She originally came into the hood with a more nuanced take on how the hoods should operate and I was like "woah she knows what she's on about I like her". This isn't a good reason to townread someone tho, having that pre-knowledge if anything is very slightly mafia-indicative cause they're the ones who would've been chatting in their pt about the setup and their positioning prior to the start of the game.

My take on the hoods was like, extremely surface level and my analysis I had after thinking about it for like 5 minutes, so this idea is pretty ???
Can't say I adored the post you made right before mine there, not taking a stance (like not even voicing a lean) in whether you want to lim in the big or small hood feels overly passive

Actually your hood posting is bad but your recent thought processes do feel genuine so you can be town I guess, but I DO stand by you making some BAD posts!!!

[Meuh]

I feel like I'm being very naysayery about most expressed tonreads this game
But not much has happened yet so :shrug:

Maybe I'm too focused on could rather than would

Yea my recent go-to motto I yoinked off of someone's mafia guide who I can't remember the name of is "Town rely on probability, Mafia rely on possibility". You want to be focused on the probable worlds as a townie, not the crazy paranoia tunnels that are technically a possibility but ultimately not a hugely probable world in the game.

Not saying you're doing that but it's marked a shift in how I read people. Ari could be red and have made that push for townpoints, or she's just town and made a good push. I think the latter is more likely than the former so boom.

Like these posts for example, good

[Meuh]

sorry everyone but you can stop voting me, im not a deepwolf

[Meuh]

also i don't disagree with the daisy town thing but i think it's probably more helpful to explain in context of this game compared to a meta point that matters... mostly to only the two of you.

The read is all based on that
Daisy and I are good friends irl and I wouldn't be able to resist putting us in a hood together and I like to think she wouldn't either
It's not a read that will nessecerily persist through the rest of the game, but it's the strongest ai thing anyone has done this game given i don't have any idea how anyone else would split the group

i.. don't know if i agree with the AI part, someone has probably done something but we don't have the retrospective view on it yet
also tangentially i was reminded of the space game i played like two years ago offsite that you ran. that was a funny game

If people want me to explain my read on El from an in-game context, I struggle to see why they choose to be in the small hood based on the fact that they're a player who doesn't get consistent early townreads in games (not even from me).

Like if the expectation is that the small hood gets the focus, and you know that you're a player who is often hovering in danger of mislims Day 1, why would that be a good idea? The only answer I find is the WIFOM angle.

this is interesting because - is that actually the expectation of the small hood? i feel like this setup's been ran enough that people who are familiar with it know that you can autowin on D1 which is an alluring choice.

I guess my issue with Ydra's posting can kinda just be seen here?
Both posts are fine and reasonable but the content doesn't feel like really intended to move things but just, exist.

[Meuh]

this game is funny in that i know a wolf is voting afrayed and it illuminates nothing for me

maybe that he’s town but meh!

I kind of like these posts actually, this is a townie thought
Pedit: Meh idk

[Meuh]

I mean if you were like "Meuh pick the scum in the small hood right now!!!!" I think I'd pick Ydrasse yeah

[Meuh]

Lol Black you’re currently at E-1, good luck

Who in the small hood do you think is most likely to be scum atm

I was thinking Elements, but I have a similar feeling in regards to Ydra that I did the last time I played with her when she was scum, and that fills me with dread

this is a very vague comment, what game are you recalling?

Fire Emblem game on MU
I get a similar feeling when looking at your posts that I dismissed in that game but now feeling them again looking at your posts here, it’s making me concerned

i know that saying "i don't believe this is a real read" or "i heavily doubt the weight of this" is like, a thing that is very hard to argue against in a meaningful way but even doing a cursory skim of that game i'm confused how you have this feeling compared to like... what actually happened this game which has barely started. (and, though this is more kneejerk "what?", even skimming your iso there you were townreading me (going off of searching 'val') like... most if not all of this game searching my name so i'm unsure if i can believe that concern is like... dunno, it's clearly not accurate but i'm struggling for the correct word here. i am unsure if i can put any weight to your solving process i guess, if you're coming up with this?

that being said, i think it would be very weird for you to represent it this way if you were a wolf, with other people in this game that were also in that game, but like... what?

(for everyone else, this is the game. i played under valentine.)

i feel like that's mean because the essence boils down to "i do not fundamentally understand the comparison between this game and that game and i think it's silly let alone the concern part" but that's probably more succinct of a post.

Lol Black you’re currently at E-1, good luck

Who in the small hood do you think is most likely to be scum atm

I was thinking Elements, but I have a similar feeling in regards to Ydra that I did the last time I played with her when she was scum, and that fills me with dread

this is a very vague comment, what game are you recalling?

that I dismissed in that game

if this was in response to what i said: the fact that it doesn't look (?) like it ever manifested makes this harder for me to believe or put weight into (and by extension the honesty of the read). if you're town it sucks that i'm dismissing it and i'm sorry but if you're wolf it's a convenient tool to break out.

Lol Black you’re currently at E-1, good luck

Who in the small hood do you think is most likely to be scum atm

I was thinking Elements, but I have a similar feeling in regards to Ydra that I did the last time I played with her when she was scum, and that fills me with dread

this is a very vague comment, what game are you recalling?

that I dismissed in that game

if this was in response to what i said: the fact that it doesn't look (?) like it ever manifested makes this harder for me to believe or put weight into (and by extension the honesty of the read). if you're town it sucks that i'm dismissing it and i'm sorry but if you're wolf it's a convenient tool to break out.

(to clarify more: if you're town and genuinely think i'm wolf i think you should probably case me on the content of this game and we can have a conversation which is more likely to help us find each other than the back and forth over this other game.

or i will never trust you and you will die!!!)

These posts feel like they're easy for her to make as scum, which scares me.
The idea of my read being weird and bad is a genuine one she can have regardless of alignment, and the way she stretches it to four posts could be scum milking something for more content because they can.
Although I guess bewilderment as a townie can also make thoughts take more space like this!

[Meuh]

i haven’t been able to find anything really towny from fire, play feels kind of fluffy to me.

i haven’t been able to find anything really towny from fire, play feels kind of fluffy to me.

What do you mean by fluffy, this in itself sounds opportunistic to me to get on the wagon

i don’t feel like fire is playing to their like… best capabilities right now and is falling back on being more social than actually solving? there’s a lot of the fun posts (and everyone should make fun posts from time to time)

my expectations for a town fire are more than this, it is early but i think most games town fire would have down something explicitly towny to me. that hasn’t happened this game so therefore, wagon. wagon for 1000 years

I kind of have this expectation regarding you tbh
I feel like when I play with you and you're town I can spot the little things and I go "ooh, Ydrasse is definitely town!" a bunch and it's just. not happening enough to my liking
Which I guess is how I'd elaborate on the link with the Fire Emblem game. In that game I had a few "Ydrasse is probably town" moments but they weren't strong or frequent enough for me to give them the weight that I had there.

[Meuh]

this game is funny in that i know a wolf is voting afrayed and it illuminates nothing for me

maybe that he’s town but meh!

I kind of like these posts actually, this is a townie thought
Pedit: Meh idk

I'm concerned that my thoughts like these are exactly what will make me miss you as scum because well, they're just not strong enough to warrant townbinning you

[Meuh]

this game is funny in that i know a wolf is voting afrayed and it illuminates nothing for me

maybe that he’s town but meh!

I kind of like these posts actually, this is a townie thought
Pedit: Meh idk

I'm concerned that my thoughts like these are exactly what will make me miss you as scum because well, they're just not strong enough to warrant townbinning you

Like recently in Toriel's Patience (viewtopic.php?t=91870), my read on you was helped by your predecessor, but I also think the way you engaged with the game felt very townie
I didn't really question your alignment before dying, but post-death I thought about it more since you were being considered, and often when I'd check the thread, I'd see a post of yours and would comfortably say you were town

[Meuh]

Ydrasse do you know that I am town

[Meuh]

I think that you know that I am town

[Meuh]

I forgot to add, I don't feel the Meuh wagon at all. but again I could be bias

My read on Meuh slipped when I realised my reason for townreading em was flawed. She originally came into the hood with a more nuanced take on how the hoods should operate and I was like "woah she knows what she's on about I like her". This isn't a good reason to townread someone tho, having that pre-knowledge if anything is very slightly mafia-indicative cause they're the ones who would've been chatting in their pt about the setup and their positioning prior to the start of the game.

My take on the hoods was like, extremely surface level and my analysis I had after thinking about it for like 5 minutes, so this idea is pretty ???
Can't say I adored the post you made right before mine there, not taking a stance (like not even voicing a lean) in whether you want to lim in the big or small hood feels overly passive

Keep in mind my POV on hoods prior to this game from my irl group was "pop in the small hood every time frfr". Compared to that your take was nuanced.

That's fair actually, irl mafia (and that general very short format) can lead to that, so I'll look like an absolute GENIUS in comparison

[Meuh]

Fire or Dann

[Meuh]

Afrayed is town, Daisy is town, Black is town but slightly less than those two, and then yay that's only Fire and Dann left
Pedit: VOTE: Fire

[Meuh]

@Fire you are scum

[Meuh]

@Fire you are scum!!!

Added exclamation marks to be less passive

[Meuh]

Fire did say he was bored in the hood 10 minutes before I started posting and then didn't show up, that deserves a vote at least

[Meuh]

Absolutely horrendous vote wtf

[Meuh]

We have like 5 days

[Meuh]

VOTE: Black OMGUS

[Meuh]

VOTE: Meuh

e-1

I think there is some disconnect in her thought processes this game. 49 doesn't really mesh with 460 and I think a Ydra vote would make more sense considering Meuh's accusation in 452/453

I also think 363 doesn't really vibe with 439

I would rather fade her over fire

Did you see my posts in the hood where I made analysis from which the natural conclusion is that limming in the big hood is better????

[Meuh]

I feel like it's best to not commit to killing in either hood and just treat the game fluidly

for now

, since that probably gives us the best info

Also this???? and the post I'm contradicting myself in is 4 days later?????

[Meuh]

439 was a joke based on a post Fire made, it's like 10 posts above mine

[Meuh]

We have like 5 days

I didn't say I wanted you faded right this instant

Then don't put me on E-1???

[Meuh]

I feel like it's best to not commit to killing in either hood and just treat the game fluidly

for now

, since that probably gives us the best info

Also this???? and the post I'm contradicting myself in is 4 days later?????

So you would rather fade in the big hood now?

NOW???? I always have wanted it/?????

[Meuh]

It's not AtE it's bewilderment

[Meuh]

I am reacting strongly to a strong action that you made

[Meuh]

Pressuring me is probably good for the gamestate actually

What happened to this opinion Meuh? It feels like a fake thought considering your reaction here

Pressuring me and killing me are not the same thing

[Meuh]

I contributed more meaningfully after I got votes on me, that was positive
Me (town) dying, is actually like, a bad thing!

[Meuh]

It feels like you’re trying to gotcha me, not sort me

[Meuh]

Like your argument against me feels uncharitable

[Meuh]

VOTE: Meuh

e-1

I think there is some disconnect in her thought processes this game. 49 doesn't really mesh with 460 and I think a Ydra vote would make more sense considering Meuh's accusation in 452/453

I also think 363 doesn't really vibe with 439

I would rather fade her over fire

49/460 is uncharitable and doesn’t consider my posts in hood
I think I should clarify the point in 49 wasn’t “limming in big or small hood are equally good”, it was “we shouldn’t settle on limming in either hood early on because removing people from consideration for a lim very early hurts our information”
Your point on 363 relied on one post that was a pretty clear joke but you didn’t read around it, but then you reiterated it cause you really liked your point there instead of actually reconsidering
I had pause regarding Ydra by the end of our back and forth, she felt townier near the end, and I wanted to step back and reflect on it before taking action there, so I didn’t plop a vote down. Though I think me voting/not voting Ydra is like a surface level thing that matters a lot less than like, my actual posts in that exchange? Ydra wasn’t near death, a vote is symbolic at that point

[Meuh]

Pressuring me is probably good for the gamestate actually

What happened to this opinion Meuh? It feels like a fake thought considering your reaction here

Pressuring me and killing me are not the same thing

There's no better pressure than putting someone at e-1

Like your argument against me feels uncharitable

If you are town then I'm sorry you feel this way

The bad of putting me at E-1 (and making my death possible) outweighs the good of the pressure there, I don’t think this is a particularly crazy idea

[Meuh]

49/460 is uncharitable and doesn’t consider my posts in hood

49 came after your post in the hood where you were suggesting fading in the big hood is better. To me that makes it seem like you reevaluated and decided it's probably not best to decide to fade in either hood and just yeet the scummiest person instead

Your point on 363 relied on one post that was a pretty clear joke but you didn’t read around it, but then you reiterated it cause you really liked your point there instead of actually reconsidering

Can you explain the joke and how 439 is involved?

i had a dream that meuh said "sorry everyone but you can stop voting me, im not a deepwolf" and then i was gonna say "true, you're a shallow wolf" but then i thought that sounded mean so i didn't

[Meuh]

The bad of putting me at E-1 (and making my death possible) outweighs the good of the pressure there, I don’t think this is a particularly crazy idea

I disagree completely. I don't think anyone would dare fade you this early, and if they do and you flip town then that gives us something to work with. E-1 isn't as scary as you're making it out to be

I agree with everything Black has said and done this page

do you want me to hammer Meuh

I agree with everything Black has said and done this page

do you want me to hammer Meuh

Do it

[Meuh]

It feels like you’re trying to gotcha me, not sort me

indicative of black being town tbh

You think so?

[Meuh]

VOTE: Daisy I wanna poke here

[Meuh]

(3) Claiming that my reasoning for you not sorting meuh is better than my reasoning for you not being here and saying its post hoc is ?
You not being here to sort is the same thing as you not sorting Meuh. My point is that you didn't sort her.

Uhhh

and meuh's only real significant contribution to this game is 262 which feels like a scum post

so im happy with a page 15 solve of ari/meuh

like I don't see how town dannflor feels that he's one vote away from winning a game vs me/meuh and just ghosts?

like I guess maybe he was just busy but I also feel like maybe it was just awkward for him to re-enter thread and actually interact with meuh when she's ateing because he doesn't know how to close her without making himself look bad and he hopes Black will push her over the edge for him.

it feels like he doesnt want to be here and I can see why he'd not want to be here if black!town is pushing meuh!town for him and he can just kind of cheer from the sidelines.

maybe he just has a life and has better things to do on a friday night than geek out on mafia message boards in which case im sorry i am needy and stupid

like if he believes the meuh/ari solution, I would think he'd be here to press meuh and sort her

but he doesn't

ok sure let's say its because he was busy with his sister etc

now he's back and he's just kind of casually walking away from it with a comment about it after its happened and he moves onto the next step to respond to me.

I don't think anything he's done with respect to meuh is to sort her or place her.

The groundwork for Dann scum here was him not being there, it's something you made pretty clear? It was specific to the timeframe in which he was not there. Then later you added that Dann's pop in after the E-1 shenanigans still wasn't trying to sort me. Dann is saying that the second argument is better than the first, but that the first was the base of the argument? At least as far as I understand it.

[Meuh]

I'm kind of concerned about how universal the feeling the bad feelings on Ari have been, but I definitely don't adore her recent posting

[Meuh]

I'm kind of concerned about how universal the bad feelings on Ari have been, but I definitely don't adore her recent posting

[Meuh]

(3) Claiming that my reasoning for you not sorting meuh is better than my reasoning for you not being here and saying its post hoc is ?
You not being here to sort is the same thing as you not sorting Meuh. My point is that you didn't sort her.

Uhhh

and meuh's only real significant contribution to this game is 262 which feels like a scum post

so im happy with a page 15 solve of ari/meuh

like I don't see how town dannflor feels that he's one vote away from winning a game vs me/meuh and just ghosts?

like I guess maybe he was just busy but I also feel like maybe it was just awkward for him to re-enter thread and actually interact with meuh when she's ateing because he doesn't know how to close her without making himself look bad and he hopes Black will push her over the edge for him.

it feels like he doesnt want to be here and I can see why he'd not want to be here if black!town is pushing meuh!town for him and he can just kind of cheer from the sidelines.

maybe he just has a life and has better things to do on a friday night than geek out on mafia message boards in which case im sorry i am needy and stupid

like if he believes the meuh/ari solution, I would think he'd be here to press meuh and sort her

but he doesn't

ok sure let's say its because he was busy with his sister etc

now he's back and he's just kind of casually walking away from it with a comment about it after its happened and he moves onto the next step to respond to me.

I don't think anything he's done with respect to meuh is to sort her or place her.

The groundwork for Dann scum here was him not being there, it's something you made pretty clear? It was specific to the timeframe in which he was not there. Then later you added that Dann's pop in after the E-1 shenanigans still wasn't trying to sort me. Dann is saying that the second argument is better than the first, but that the first was the base of the argument? At least as far as I understand it.

ok so danns point is that him continuing not to sort you is a better reason for him being scum than the initial reason of him not being here and that i am adding it in as "post hoc"

like i came up with a reason for scumreading him and then added more stuff.

so when i accuse someone of being mafia and then they do more scummy stuff later that makes me more convinced they are mafia am i supposed to like not add it in as additional reasoning?

I think your reasoning for dann!scum because I didn’t sort meuh more is like better and more believable, but most of that stuff has been post hoc. Your original focal point for saying im 76% scum was that i was not around to engage with meuh being at e-1. To me that just seems like you wanted me to be scum and were looking for reasons as to why that was the case, not the basis for a scum read.

I thought he was saying that your original reasoning wasn't very good and not something he believed that you believed? and that your later reasoning is better, but doesn't undo this?

[Meuh]

UNVOTE:

[Meuh]

E-1 scary

[Meuh]

Idk but it's a possibility

[Meuh]

Perhaps someone wouldn't check the votecount to see it was E-1 beforehand (cough cough)

[Meuh]

A change from Daisy to Fire feels odd considering their positions relative to each other

[Meuh]

What’s your read on Black independently of Ari?

[Meuh]

Yoooo shiki
You town?

[Meuh]

UNVOTE:

Who do you want to flip today?

VOTE: Shiki

[Meuh]

Fire is town

[Meuh]

Still thoroughly unenthused to shoot in small hood, Shiki’s posting is not good

[Meuh]

Elements come wagon Shiki with me

[Meuh]

i don't really see shiki trying to sort

[Meuh]

That part alone is a true statement

[Meuh]

Town Shiki has had weird conflicting feelings about me and has worried about my alignment in past games, this Shiki does not care about my alignment

[Meuh]

doubly frustrating in meuh’s case because i think meuh should in theory be able to sort me through interaction to some extent and this just feels like

like your approach to me specifically does not match previous games which were altogether different situations thus!! scum

Your approach to me specifically is relevant because it's something I naturally gravitate towards, and since every game I've played with you is well, a game I was also in, it's something I'm more informed on, you know? I feel as though your opinion of me is something more meaningful for me to get something out of because of this
I'm sorry if you're town and in this position, we can interact if you want I have some time

[Meuh]

doubly frustrating in meuh’s case because i think meuh should in theory be able to sort me through interaction to some extent and this just feels like

like your approach to me specifically does not match previous games which were altogether different situations thus!! scum

Your approach to me specifically is relevant because it's something I naturally gravitate towards, and since every game I've played with you is well, a game I was also in, it's something I'm more informed on, you know? I feel as though your opinion of me is something more meaningful for me to get something out of because of this
I'm sorry if you're town and in this position, we can interact if you want I have some time

sure i get it i also pay attention to approach to myself over others I just don’t see why you’d just assume this meant i was a scums instead of trying to make me flesh out more of a read on you

like there were a lot of things for me to pay attention to in short period of time and things didn’t super stand out from you outside of the things i commented on

like i liked your response to being voted earlier and little else

Yeah I think the timeframe and my overall thread importance varies from here and past games, so comparing it 1 to 1 isn't a perfect approach

[Meuh]

Elements was trying to steal my fake E-1 on Jupiter slot gimmick

[Meuh]

@dannflor @elements @meuh

like do you really believe that's what happened here? and if so like, ...why?

and if not then hey let's actually find the scums if you're town yeah?

Ehhhh idk, to me big and small hood splits are a factor to consider but nothing that alone can really sway me one way or the other yknow? There's always the chance the scum team didn't plan that well, or certain circumstances made players pick things unusually, or fun was put into consideration and made it deviate from the "optimal" line, or the scum team could just like, could've had a different perspective on the setup. Too many things can factor into it for me to just rule out Jupiter based on the split.

[Meuh]

Like I'm sorry but we have 43 pages of posts here, information that was available before any of us made any posts being the key factor here sounds like the wrong approach

[Meuh]

I feel kinda lost at this point cause some of your posts are giving me pause but then I try to find another compelling idea for scum in the big hood and none sound right

[Meuh]

Small hood is ??? to me and I don't wanna shoot in it

[Meuh]

My reads in small hood have like continuously rotated around slowly, but without a particularly strong town or scum read really sticking
Ydrasse being town is my strongest read there, I think I'd lim Ari in the small hood

[Meuh]

I don't feel like I'm quite in tune with shiki's meta atp but the defensiveness doesn't feel uncharacteristic

[Meuh]

I don't wanna shoot in it

generally confused by this stance

Shooting in big hood seems correct
I like reducing the size of the hood and then we have 2 small hoods to find scum in

[Meuh]

I find killing scum on day 1 to be barely beneficial a lot of the time due to less associatives so I have to say, knowing hitting scum is an insta-win there is good, and if we hit town I think it's more beneficial in big hood than in small

[Meuh]

Small hood seems like sorting it gives us a red flip earlier but less info later, big hood seems like it delays it but sets us up better long-term, but I'm not like an expert on these sorts of things

[Meuh]

Hmmmmm I tried calculating the options there in my head and I have no clue now

[Meuh]

alright im back

i don't want to lim shiki i think

What do we do then, please guide me Fire

[Meuh]

UNVOTE:

inb4 Elements joins the "unvote" wagon right after Dann does

[Meuh]

alright im back

i don't want to lim shiki i think

What do we do then, please guide me Fire

my guidance is don't be guided by me

But then I have to guide myself and that sounds bad

[Meuh]

Oopsie can flip scum but I'm now sure how often she does
Probably somewhere between 0% and 100%

[Meuh]

Do we just lim Ari?

[Meuh]

Fire should hire an army of monkeys on typewriters, one day they'll scumtell

[Meuh]

VOTE: meuh idk

[EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]

[Meuh]

Oh it's that easy
I should take that approach more often

[Meuh]

i don't think ydra is partnered with meuh

am i going to stare at ydrasse's conversation with meuh and wonder if that's her bailing out her partner by giving associatives?

[Meuh]

like how does that help you untangle the big hood

max shots to do so plus i'm town

so i would need to find exactly one other town and game solved

Wouldn't you need to find two other town?
Pedit: Yeah

[Meuh]

I feel like the wolves are laughing at us in their little PT

[Meuh]

Afrayed/Fire is pretty good wagon comp actually

[Meuh]

elements probably gives the most info of the three so thats definitely a wild take

Maybe true but I'd say Elements' posting style makes it intuitively feel like his flip is less informative tbh

[Meuh]

Ah shit my bad

[Meuh]

I don't think there's a flip here that gives no info

[Meuh]

I like info I think info is good

[Meuh]

I'm partnered with Daisy so I will not be hammering!

[Meuh]

VOTE: Ari

[Meuh]

Limming me sounds bad

[Meuh]

VOTE: Elements

[Meuh]

Elements and Ari are probably the two best flips here

[Meuh]

lim el

If you want a 1v1 tomorrow
Or we can vote meuh and win

You do not actually believe this

[Meuh]

El at E-1 I think

[Meuh]

This hammer feels anticlimactic

[Meuh]

Ooh boy

[Meuh]

Ooh boy

[Meuh]

Hello hello holidays busy I will be here soon

[Meuh]

Still town btw

[Meuh]

I need to properly catch up (maybe tomorrow?) But my brain is currently telling me it's just Fire

[Meuh]

Fire's posting has been like vaguely good and I liked his thought process surrounding me, it felt like a genuine thing, which made me townread him a lot more
But then like that thought process was a broad meta on me and not some read he formed here, and like it's not too difficult to apply that template?
Which wouldn't be bad if the rest of his posting was town indicative but like... is it? Is it really?
When I played against scum Fire, vaguely good posting kept him off my radar until it was too late
I've been able to confidently call Fire town before, and I can't do that here

[Meuh]

Spoiler:

VOTE: ari

i feel like all of the small hood gives us info on a flip especially if they're scum and i don't really get why "no info???" keeps being presented as a counterargument here

elements probably gives the most info of the three so thats definitely a wild take

my heart says that was tmi-ing elements as town actually because i cannot understand how someone could think a red elements flip wouldn't give us info

VOTE: daisy

are we only allowed to flip someone whose potential townflip would achieve something

like we're trying to find scum here

info is not our primary goal

That was a fake read list to see how shiki would react

hm

what did you learn from shiki's reaction

UNVOTE:

wanted to go look at the elements/daisy scumgame again

came out of it thinking there's more similarities here for elements than for daisy

elements/knott imo

this was right maybe

i think the funniest solution to this game is, like, afrayed/elements and that's why it took ages for the game to actually start/neighborhoods to be sorted, and both of them lack a lot of meta information that we've been discussing here and that's why things seem wack

ayy

VOTE: elements

i didn't expect to be voting el either but im looking at more meta and i think i gave them a pass too easily

i think elements is just pushing wherever is convenient at the time i don't think they have real reads

and if their reads get called out as not making sense they just say "oh that was fake for a reaction test" and then make no indication that they actually cared about making reads off the reaction

idk where their scumread on me went it just disappeared when there wasn't pressure on me anymore. idk even where it came from in the first place

i don't even think that should be clearing

id be alright with a switch to ari though

if you and elements are both voting meuh and the choice is between ari and meuh id rather vote ari

im still kinda hung up on thinking it's elements

if you and elements are both voting meuh and the choice is between ari and meuh id rather vote ari

to be clear this was meant to be a line of logic not a statement of read preference

although that's also my read preference

lim el

[Meuh]

Am I crazy or is that just partnered

[Meuh]

i think elements is just pushing wherever is convenient at the time i don't think they have real reads

and if their reads get called out as not making sense they just say "oh that was fake for a reaction test" and then make no indication that they actually cared about making reads off the reaction

idk where their scumread on me went it just disappeared when there wasn't pressure on me anymore. idk even where it came from in the first place

The most substantial read here is a playstyle oriented thing that I'm not sure town Fire would be comfortable with throwing out there as the basis of a read
Townies are disjointed in their reads all the time, does this make Elements scum?
This feels shallow

[Meuh]

In terms of big hood:
Meuh is golden town because she's isn't scum with any of the small hood.
Afrayed has been chilling but I don't think that's an awful thing considering their overarching playstyle.
Shiki is a neutral read. Double replacement slot irks me but nothing they've done has been egregious.
Dann has fallen down cause of the recent jabbing at me. I still think Dann might be town tho?
Fire has sat on me the whole game and surprise surprise he's back again because he's too scared to rock the boat and upset his standing with other players. Most survivalistic/scummy of the lot imo.

My first thought when Daisy died was "oh shit I'm being setup as a mislim" (Large part of what made me post this:)

Ooh boy

But like, Daisy was also the only person casting significant doubt on Fire
Scum benefit from a Daisy death because then I'm a free mislim, but Fire just like, gets to win

[Meuh]

i think elements is just pushing wherever is convenient at the time i don't think they have real reads

and if their reads get called out as not making sense they just say "oh that was fake for a reaction test" and then make no indication that they actually cared about making reads off the reaction

idk where their scumread on me went it just disappeared when there wasn't pressure on me anymore. idk even where it came from in the first place

The most substantial read here is a playstyle oriented thing that I'm not sure town Fire would be comfortable with throwing out there as the basis of a read

Or like more specifically, the basis for a wagon and a lim, and the basis to pivot away from Ari

[Meuh]

Doesn't help that any other solution to the game just kinda feels wrong

[Meuh]

I guess it could just be Afrayed
Hood layouts feel questionable then but I don't think that should be like a huge factor at this point
I'm extremely scared of final 3 if I'm being real, endgames always suck for me

[Meuh]

Shiki you're town here right?

[Meuh]

The typo is a towntell

[Meuh]

The typo is a towntell

uh it wasn't a typo as much as the way i would have said it aloud lol

Let me clear you!!!!

[Meuh]

Idk my brain is more focused rn on the idea of a final 3 of like me/Dann/Fire and how we just lose that than on who scum is

[Meuh]

(curious as to why the typo would clear me anyway - or how you think the typo would have occurred but the answer to that one seems most likely that you did not think about it)

I did not really feel strongly about that post, I just threw that out there for funsies, from the general idea that townies are more careless in their speech (which I don't think is like an actual thing to apply here)

[Meuh]

My most recent endgames are:
viewtopic.php?t=90993 - Managed to obvtown and got solvy in the endgame but said solve was wrong and I lost us the game
viewtopic.php?t=91473 - Managed to solve the game and had a good grasp on who scum was, but failed to convince the other townies and was the game losing mislim in a 3-2
viewtopic.php?t=90886 - Got mislimmed at the final 5 where I wasn't very helpful in solving and mellowed down on my day 1 scumread that was just correct

I feel like you're overestimating my ability to win endgames sadly

[Meuh]

Oh!

[Meuh]

Gg everyone and thanks for modding Skygazer!!