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[davesaz]

CCS seems fine so far

I don't see it, please explain.

[biancospino]

votecount

Votecount 1-XII

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer, or 6 to decide for no execution.

Naerys (3):

camelCasedSnivy, KittyTacky, Katsuki

DragonEater70 (3):

Hu Tao, ssbm_Kyouko, Thomith

Thomith (3):

Naerys, Gamma Emerald, DragonEater70

davesaz (1):

Black

Not Voting (2):

davesaz, Celebloki

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-07 07:46:06).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here
  
• Celebloki is being replaced

[Black]

CCS seems fine so far

I don't see it, please explain.

Taking a second glance at his ISO and I'm not really feeling as good about it as I was then. I thought there was more evidence of CCS trying to sort but I'm not really seeing any of that looking back through it

I would be ok wagoning this

VOTE: CCS

[Black]

It's interesting that we have 3 wagons at 3 votes each. I don't think fading any of the 3 would be super likely to hit scum but if I had to compromise on one then it would probably be Naerys

I'm more inclined to believe that scum are just hanging out and they're perfectly fine with the game state. CCS fits the bill here

[Gamma Emerald]

votecount

Votecount 1-XI

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer, or 6 to decide for no execution.

Naerys (3):

camelCasedSnivy, KittyTacky, Katsuki

DragonEater70 (3):

Hu Tao, ssbm_Kyouko, Thomith

Thomith (2):

Naerys, Gamma Emerald

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

DragonEater70

davesaz (1):

Black

Not Voting (2):

davesaz, Celebloki

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-07 07:46:06).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here
  
• Celebloki is V/LA 'till 01/JAN

I'll be thoroughly amused later on if it turned out the leading wagons were both on scum.

It’s happened before but it took substantial luck
And a scumteam presence describable in one word: suck

[Gamma Emerald]

Thomith I can see as a decent suspect
since if katsuki is town scum would detect
the ruse of her Juggernaut claim quite readily
and could lead to how he's pushed certain people so heavily

Fine, I'll directly answer this.
I don't think

anyone

would actually believe a Juggernaut claim, and I don't think anyone would true claim it.
TMI is not required to take that position.

My TMI read is mostly founded
On how strong Thomith’s opinion sounded
Felt less like town trying to sort things
And more like scum in search of easy pickings

[Black]

Thomith is at least showing signs of solving and wanting to sort people. We're not getting any of that from CCS

[Katsuki]

I'll be thoroughly amused later on if it turned out the leading wagons were both on scum.

It’s happened before but it took substantial luck
And a scumteam presence describable in one word: suck

I don't think it's fair to say suck. If my statement is correct, then you can clearly see the unsuccessful effort to divert and drum up another nomwagon.

Wanna join me in making this game state more interesting? The bloodlust in me is thirsting for some flips.

VOTE: DRAGON

[Thomith]

Why haven't you gone back to your To Do List in 316 yet?

Yesterday up to when I started posting today, for the most obvious reason of all.

408 is part of the followup.
I can't expand much on the reason for the Hu Tao observation without getting into a forbidden subject. The correct way to read that comment is that it's going to make it hard to get a read on her.

Ok, that's fair. Who do you think is scum?

I don't think I've seen much if anything that's overtly scummy. Lots of contenders for least towny, so many that I'd have to think about it.
As someone who goes primarily by memory, breaks like holidays wreak havoc on me.

Who is least townie then?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: CCS
I think Snivy is a fine vote
And on that VC I did note
All Thomith voters were ones called out in post 108
So I’m feeling like giving that a break

I’m forcing this next bit by rhyming with orange
If you are active and have less posts than me, that’s kinda cringe
I’m hindered by my choice to rhyme
So you should have outposted me by this time

[DragonEater70]

It genuinely feels like you're just jumping where the wagons are to see what sticks, which is screaming being very opportunistic to me.

Granted, I could be tunelled and you're doing this to create pressure, but the reason I'm unsure of this is because you are also claiming you're willing to vote elsewhere, not fully committing to a push.

You asked a question, then jumped on me even though you were thinking pretty much the same thing regarding the claim, then seemed to backtrack when you said that you had the same reasoning, which is what properly pinged me about your slot.

You're saying I'm scum that doesn't know how to jump off your wagon without looking weird, but I already have a tonne of heat on me, so if I was scum, why would I continue to push the points that got me heat in the first place?

Idk why

I just feel your posting is a lot more awkward compared to Micro 1094 and Open 893. You sounded a lot more confident and light hearted in those games than here.

Here your tone feels like you aren't really sure of what you are saying and you are looking for reasons to justify it / prove it, rather than you genuinely believe it.

I also don't buy that you actually think it's scummy to change my mind on you.

[DragonEater70]

That seems like a pretty weak thing to latch on to

Dragon's response in particular feels like he was trying to get more out of Katsuki to gauge how serious her claim was. It doesn't look like he jumped on her at all

I think Dragon could be scum for other reasons but I'm not really seeing this as +scum for him

Yeah

[Black]

I'll be thoroughly amused later on if it turned out the leading wagons were both on scum.

It’s happened before but it took substantial luck
And a scumteam presence describable in one word: suck

I don't think it's fair to say suck. If my statement is correct, then you can clearly see the unsuccessful effort to divert and drum up another nomwagon.

Wanna join me in making this game state more interesting? The bloodlust in me is thirsting for some flips.

VOTE: DRAGON

Why are you against starting a new wagon on the person you said you wouldn't mind fading?

[DragonEater70]

I also think Kyo's vote on and approach to my slot is pretty scummy. Like she voted me for apparently self-voting, people asked her of that's the reason and she didn't answer. Now that she' s back in the thread she says she "vibes with" my explanation of the self vote but kept the vote on me with no further commemt.

This doesn't feel like an accurate representation to me...

"Like she voted me for apparently self-voting":

This is a partial truth. The whole truth, as I've already explained, is that I think you're self-voting to break up wagons forming on yourself, despite your claims that you're trying to build wagons on yourself to catch scum on them.

"people asked her of that's the reason and she didn't answer":

Nobody asked me why I voted you. I'm double checking now, and the closest anyone came to asking was Thomith when he assumed I had been asked why I voted you in 378. To this point, still nobody has asked me, though I've already given my reason.

"Now that she' s back in the thread she says she "vibes with" my explanation of the self vote but kept the vote on me with no further comment":

snipped, and [edited] below

Ok let's hear [why you self vote] anyway

I enjoy being wagoned early

I might be superstitious but I feel it helps me find scum better (especially when said scum is on my wagon)

Also I just hate being nullread by people. I feel a lot better being either scum read or townread.

I kinda vibe with this - I dont enjoy being wagoned early or at all, but I do tend to find the scum on my wagons when they happen.

I think voting yourself is kinda counterintuitive to this though - it's only going to scare people away usually, not build the wagon. Which is why it's sus you did it twice

When I say "I

kinda

vibe with this", emphasis on the kinda, I'm saying I partially agree with how you feel about being wagoned - because being wagoned helps me find scum better. The problem with this though, is that voting yourself is not conducive to getting a wagon going on yourself where you'll be able to identify the scum on your wagon. I think the real reason you're voting yourself here when wagoned, is to discourage any more votes coming your way. Furthermore, if you really were trying to build up your own wagon to find the scum on it, I would expect a more convincing read than this (combined with the snippet of 480 I'm breaking down now):

Also

Are we just gonna ignore how Kyouko jumped on my wagon with a practically naked vote, and her other engagement with the game could be summed up by a bunch of nothing posts and then overexplaining why Hu Tao is town for scumreading Thomith?

tl;dr - Dragon is generalizing my posts and ignoring the details where it's convenient for his faked scumread on me

A bunch of technicalities. I was referring to Thomith when I said somebody had asked you about your vote. I didn't see an actual explanation earlier, but I guess now I understand what you meant by the self vote thing. I am not going to say that it works every time but I have definitely self-voted before (as town) and then got hammered. So I don't really think it scares anyone off.

Also how generalizing = fake scumread?

[DragonEater70]

If I had to guess I would say Dragon/Thomith is TvT

Oh, why?

[Katsuki]

I'll be thoroughly amused later on if it turned out the leading wagons were both on scum.

It’s happened before but it took substantial luck
And a scumteam presence describable in one word: suck

I don't think it's fair to say suck. If my statement is correct, then you can clearly see the unsuccessful effort to divert and drum up another nomwagon.

Wanna join me in making this game state more interesting? The bloodlust in me is thirsting for some flips.

VOTE: DRAGON

Why are you against starting a new wagon on the person you said you wouldn't mind fading?

I have found both his feel and tone off this game compared to past town games of his, but I'm having trouble with bringing myself to nom him just for that alone today. One of those games I only stumbled upon because I discovered an old game of mine I modded that he happened to be in back in 2015. It's possible I've played in other games with him and seen him scum before, but I can't remember any of them outside of TM2018.

In the event he flips town, it doesn't really give me any helpful information to progress my reads. Fairly low quality nom today IMO, willing to give more time to sort out his alignment.

[Katsuki]

I have found both his feel and tone off this game compared to past town games of his, but I'm having trouble with bringing myself to nom him just for that alone today. One of those games I only stumbled upon because I discovered an old game of mine I modded that he happened to be in back in 2015. It's possible I've played in other games with him and seen him scum before, but I can't remember any of them outside of TM2018.

In the event he flips town, it doesn't really give me any helpful information to progress my reads. Fairly low quality nom today IMO, willing to give more time to sort out his alignment.

For clarity for ISO skimmers, above post relates to Davesaz.

[Black]

If I had to guess I would say Dragon/Thomith is TvT

Oh, why?

Simple answer? I think you are both probably town

[DragonEater70]

Didn't you just say I was probably scum

Or am I misunderstanding you

[Black]

I think you are misunderstanding me. I said you could be scum but right now I feel like you're probably town

[Hu Tao]

Actually

VOTE: Thomith

Bad vote. I think Thom has actually started to be townier

[DragonEater70]

I think you are misunderstanding me. I said you could be scum but right now I feel like you're probably town

Oh okay then

Should I just sheep you on std

By which I mean ccs

[Hu Tao]

If I had to guess I would say Dragon/Thomith is TvT

I think dragon is the scum if there is one there

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: CCS
I think Snivy is a fine vote
And on that VC I did note
All Thomith voters were ones called out in post 108
So I’m feeling like giving that a break

I’m forcing this next bit by rhyming with orange
If you are active and have less posts than me, that’s kinda cringe
I’m hindered by my choice to rhyme
So you should have outposted me by this time

I don't hate a ccs vote either.

[Katsuki]

Still have time left on the day to see what CCS decides to show up with. Lurker wagon would've been more useful 10pgs ago.