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[Gamma Emerald]

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[Black]

At this point I'm willing to leave Dannflor alive to let him cook

Can we fade Katsuki instead? I don't think her reads are real

VOTE: Katsuki

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel lost so ima sheep a town read

VOTE: CCS

which townread was it? if it was black you could join us now

*and if its gamma emerald ill sheep you on ssbm_kyouko

These posts are also really bad

[Gamma Emerald]

At this point I'm willing to leave Dannflor alive to let him cook

Can we fade Katsuki instead? I don't think her reads are real

VOTE: Katsuki

You do you, but I want to put Dann to the fire

[Dannflor]

k im gonna truncate this because i gotta log off for the evening, i'll come back tomorrow to read more and give final reads and such.

right now having skimmed through about half the game

black - gun to head town. I don't feel 100% about this read yet but I think there's enough content in this game that I can get there one way or another. I would like to case this for katsuki if i have time

gamma - she's got that little private investigator vibe where she's running around checking out leads and getting people to check out pocket reads. i think this is town!gamma. lower confidence than black but another slot that I think I can get a very accurate read on given time.

CCS - i think ccs actually shows a lot more life and want to solve in his posts than in his scum games. i have found that CCS as scum generally picks like... a bit, then makes that his defining thing to morph his gameplay around. eg. defending Khaos in that mini Gamma mentioned, or defending Gob in Secrets of the Anuket Topaz. his play is much more varied here and doesn't yet seem to be pursuing a particular purpose

katsuki - more of a mixed read. as I'm reading more I'm concerned about how static their reads are. it seems like dragon/black as scum has been their solve since early d1 and even the flip of naerys didn't shake them at all. but ive been tonally town reading their posts and their interactions with black?

davesaz - someone, i think black mentioned how dave felt stiff this game. tbh, i kind of always read dave as stiff (sorry dave), but he's been considerably looser than the baseline i have for dave in my head in this game? idk he just seems more relaxed. I would lean this town at the moment.

uhhhh there's a bunch of other slots i don't really have thoughts on yet

hu tao i think is scummy. she is taking things at face value i wouldn't expect her to as town and generally playing a more LAMIST game than I have come to expect from her.

celebloki/jackson virgo - celebloki had some very awful early posts, and I have not liked the little bit of JV I've read. their weird dancing / soft defense / soft suspicion of my slot just reads exactly how I'm expecting scum to be playing around my slot, and fits the MO of where I think scum are likely to be positioning if black and katsuki are indeed TvT

[Dannflor]

VOTE: jackson virgo

would rather kill a slot that has been sitting back and letting black / katsuki do all the work

[Katsuki]

Well majority seems to think there is a scum in kyouko/gamma/Dragon.

Possibly two

Now the question is, which players do you think believe in that latter statement?

Can you explain why you ask this once Hu Tao answers?

Sure. Majority thinking there's scum in that pool of players is not a statement I'm going to question since there are indeed a number of players who've mentioned one of those players in the set being scum. It's also fairly a useless statement just out of sheer probability (that there are at least 5-6 players in the game that have expressed a scumread on one of kyouko/gamma/dragon).

Two of those players being scum, however, is a more serious statement. Thus I'm curious of the basis behind that comment if there were actually players that shared that view, or if it was solely a Hu Tao view that was mixed in with the prior statement to give an illusion of 'many people believe this'.

At this point, wolves need to figure out and start laying down preparations for who they're going to misnom chain to a dragon scum flip.

[JacksonVirgo]

{Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}

I want to fade in this group

While I understand the Dragon and Gamma especially, Gamma has been increasingly awkward surrounding this wagon and I also understand myself being there but Thom? I thought you hard-towned them but only saw them as a wolf because of an associative read with me?

[JacksonVirgo]

{Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}

I want to fade in this group

Why has your read on me changed?
Still the Jackson thing from yesterday?

These 4 were off the Naerys wagon and I don't think the entire scum team was on that wagon

Aside from that though I'm having a similar problem that I had in Micro Normal 1094. Some of your posts just gut ping me the wrong way

Do you think more wolves are

off

a town wagon than on? Considering one of those counter-wagons was themselves Dragon

[Katsuki]

Sounds like a great trade for town, especially if I'm supplying the wolf nom first!

Here, I decorated this tinfoil hat just for you!

I look forward to flipping your scumbuddy. Maybe then you will FINALLY push your top scumread

[JacksonVirgo]

{Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}
The issue I have here is I think I'm townreading everyone in this list right now.

Oh you're town-reading gamma and dragon?

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Dragon is the vote today. Because if he's scum we turbo vote gamma. And kyouko is pretty lock town if gamma is also scum.

Why can't gamma and kyouko be scum together?

If Dragon is scum I think gamma thought kyouko had a guilty on her partner.

Oh I see, you are assuming Dragon is scum here

If Dragon is town do you think kyouko/gamma has any equity?

Possibly but not necessarily as a team but individually

Clunky post

This reads as purely meant to discredit

[Katsuki]

At this point I'm willing to leave Dannflor alive to let him cook

Can we fade Katsuki instead? I don't think her reads are real

VOTE: Katsuki

Ahh the classic scum tactic of

"X is scum powerbussing their partner Y, lets flip X first!"

. I'd be rich if I got paid every time scum tried this on me.

[JacksonVirgo]

There's either two scum in {Kitty, CCS, dave, kyouko, Kat, Hu} or two scum in {Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}

I like my chances with the second group

Oh I think this is why Gamma likes the first group because 2/6 versus 1/4, I just didn't expect her (or most people) to consider the latter a 1/4 when discussing statstics. Most people conveniently overlook that their alignment is only guaranteed to themself and town!Gamma would see this as 2/6 vs 1/3 which are equal

Statistics in mafia?

[Black]

Sounds like a great trade for town, especially if I'm supplying the wolf nom first!

Here, I decorated this tinfoil hat just for you!

I look forward to flipping your scumbuddy. Maybe then you will FINALLY push your top scumread

Are you just gonna sit around and not engage with Dannflor's posts at all? Y'know, the guy you presumably think is lockscum?

[Black]

At this point I'm willing to leave Dannflor alive to let him cook

Can we fade Katsuki instead? I don't think her reads are real

VOTE: Katsuki

Ahh the classic scum tactic of

"X is scum powerbussing their partner Y, lets flip X first!"

. I'd be rich if I got paid every time scum tried this on me.

I don't think it makes sense for me to abandon Dann's wagon here if I'm scum with him. I think it makes me look a lot worse. But go off Queen

[Black]

Katsuki only responding to my stuff and basically ignoring Dann completely is laughable

[JacksonVirgo]

black seems town this game

hu tao seems like scum

Oh? Why is Hu Tao scummy?

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay. I'm not going to try and tip toe around this anymore.

Kyouko do you have a guilty on dragon or no?

No, I wouldn't have investigated Dragon and I'm usually the type to just come out with it if I have a guilty rather than play the "I really think it's them" game

Unfortunate, you had a chance to. I was heavily tempted to claim a fake guilty on Dragon today, but it would not have been a good idea to.

Do it anyway lmfao, I did once with Psyche

[Katsuki]

Are you just gonna sit around and not engage with Dannflor's posts at all? Y'know, the guy you presumably think is lockscum?

Why should I be engaging with the slot I think is lockscum whom I already have my vote on?

[JacksonVirgo]

Mainly it seems like she has zero interest in convincing others that her scumreads are scum. I've been her strongest scumread for pretty much the entire game but she hasn't pushed me at all. She hasn't even questioned anyone else's townreads on me. It doesn't really feel like her scumread is as strong as she says it is. I think it could be a fake read

Didn't she explicitly say that she was taking a step back and seeing how things pan out?

[JacksonVirgo]

don't like jacksonvirgo posting around my slot

What don't you like about it

[JacksonVirgo]

would rather kill a slot that has been sitting back and letting black / katsuki do all the work

What? Sitting back my ass

[JacksonVirgo]

Ahh the classic scum tactic of "X is scum powerbussing their partner Y, lets flip X first!". I'd be rich if I got paid every time scum tried this on me.

I don't think scum!black would pivot this hard onto you from Dragon's slot specifically

[JacksonVirgo]

Unless Dragon is Town and they expect that flip to go through regardless