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[MargotRosa]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

I had Margot scummy at the time because of a post but looking back it wasn't as bad as I thought. I'd put her in ???? Tier right now I think.

Which post were you concerned by out of curiousity?

The one I voted you

So actually because I asked FD if I was being scum read

[MargotRosa]

Can you fuckers stop immediately assuming I am leaning towards suspecting someone when I ask them a question? It’s happened three times now I think

Am I one of the fuckers?

Ironically enough I have been been questioned this game quite a but when I ask questions.....but it seems we interpret the intent a bit differently.

I mean, I will agree with(Clap I believe it was?) that you have a distinct lack of scum reads......even your vote on lurkyNae seems like a safe place to lock a vote on.

I guess I just spoilered who I think isn't town in the Town Blocc though

Are there other reasons than Nae being quiet behind the scum read?

Is this directed towards me or Gamma?

Towards you

[Gamma Emerald]

From what I can tell, Lap's big sin is that he gave a low-effort read list and then OMGUS'ed Lucca. Is that the case against him?

My big issue is he promised good content and gave 3 mediocre posts in the promised hour (this timeframe us metaphorical)

[Claptastik]

Hell, this is game design 101, make sure the first experience is good before people funnel out. It's the reason fortnite gives you an easy win vs bots when you first sign up.

LOL, as I read the first sentence I was thinking the second.

[lucca261]

From what I can tell, Lap's big sin is that he gave a low-effort read list and then OMGUS'ed Lucca. Is that the case against him?

I'm also gluttonous, which I've been informed is one of the top 7 sins

Can you explain your Hu Tao townread?

[DeltaWave]

Getting nuked day 1 as a newbie sucks and it's a good way to have people not stick around and play more. If you're above that, cool, more power to you, but I generally make it a policy to not vote them day 1 without egregious circumstances.

Newbies have the same chance of being scum as everyone else. Unless the town no-elims, which is really rare on D1, someone has to go. There's no particular reason why newbies should have any additional protection. Just try to have fun with it.

The also have the same chance of being town as everyone else. I'll crunch numbers later, but I'm pretty sure ignoring a newbie for day 1 votes cancels out the odds

Realistically nobody is going to do that. A scummy newbie could use that argument for their own benefit. People are going to scumhunt regardless of how long you've been playing.

That being said, the circumstances around this wagon plus what I pointed out in 617 is leaning me toward Lap!Neutral or Lap!Town.

[Gamma Emerald]

So apparently any time I try to do anything I’m the devil. GOT IT.

[DeltaWave]

So apparently any time I try to do anything I’m the devil. GOT IT.

If you aren't scum then why are you scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

Because you’re shit at finding scum

[DeltaWave]

You gonna try forming another townblock any time soon?

[Laplacian]

I said I hadn't had time to do a deep dive, which I thought was clear by "vaguely keeping up" in the post you don't even bother to quote so that is hidden.

None of these are new to my list btw. I was prodding gamma earlier about the towncore, clearly had suspicions of both delta and upward, and hopped on the margot train early when it started. No shit I'm down to vote the most sus slots int he game

because they're the most sus slots in the game

. I had null read on you earlier, but now I see why people put you in their scumpool.

VOTE: Lucca

That's a wasted vote. Vote gamma.

Agreed. Especially since he used that asinine "Source???" question to deflect from the direct question I asked.

VOTE: Gamma

[Claptastik]

This is the current state of the gamma wagon :

Spoiler:

OK, I misunderstood the reference.

That's fine. Overall my town read on you still stands because of everything else. But this goes to show that sometimes you can just misread a thread- which is how this whole line of conversation started, with my mistake on Lucca's post.

VOTE: Gamma, but I would unvote if Gamma got to E-1. I still want to get more information out of Alianna's replacement and to get some more activity in general going from people who are lower in the post counts. I'd also like Zeb to explain his vote, which seemed to come out of nowhere, and which made me think some things that I'll share after he explains.

I thought Hu Tao´s entry was towny but as the game progressed, i dont like her dynamics with Gamma at all.
Also dont like Gamma´s reasoning for switching vote on Claptastik. Overall i get a feeling like Gamma is trying to position herself as town, and is worried that she doesnt look towny enough.
I think Gamma+Hu Tao are buddies.
VOTE: Gamma

Okay here we go.

I find Gamma suspicious for the townblock on day 1 when that’s a time where there’s really little basis for such a thing.

On the flipside I like Claptastic, Deltawave and Laplacian for calling it out.

I’m really mixed on Gypyx. She’s very active which is probably a good sign, but then again I don’t like my exchange with her. In #92 she feels the need to state that I shouldn’t blindly trust her, which is obvious enough that it irritated even me as a beginner. What follows is this strange discussion only to end it somewhat condescendingly in #206. Not a fan.

this is surface level analysis
Regardless of my alignment I think calling my townblock out is an easy thing to do as scum. This seems less like a real thought process and more like reflexively giving townpoints to player who’ve criticized me.

I will have you know that all my thoughts are perfectly real, thank you very much. Sorry if they don’t live up to your standards.

So here’s the thing, I believe you’re right. It is an easy play for Scum to call out Townblocks. But it’s just as easy for Scum to get the idea of forming an early town block. And the latter would be way more problematic so that’s what I am more concerned with right now.

So what do you make of that?

I think it would be foolish for me to pigeonhole myself into a position where I would have to maintain my towniness when I feel like I am better at scum when sieing chaos and letting my flip cause wild goose chases

Yeah okay but if you’re scum why play for eventually getting flipped? It actively makes it harder to fulfill Mafias Win Con.

This looks to me like a dubious exchange at best. So nothing I’d reasonably expect from a player like you who has claimed to have played a ton of games.

In other words, I don’t believe you here.

Therefore

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Excellent, great minds etc!

riddle me this: what's my scum motive here? Since you + Delta seem dead set on suspecting me here

I previously gave a scum motive for it, and it seems like you saw it, so why are you asking again, as if no motive had been given?

You do realize I stated my approach to this game was a bit special, right?

Yes, and I find that approach - declaring a 4-person townblock in post 44 - to be highly suspicious.

Town blocks are great when they form organically, over time. I don't see town motivation for your approach. Seems more likely to be scum buddying.

Before that, Delta said the same in 162.

Now, you tell me what you think the scum motive is. As noted, your point that it's easy to call someone out as scummy for a premature manufactured town block means that you also see apparent scum motivation for it. Do you also think it's for buddying, or do you have additional reasons?

Earlier you said something about doing this for private reasons. If you now had reacted like

Yeah, I know it appears scummy, but again I have private reasons for doing it

I probably would have let it slide, at least today. But, you're doubling down, pointing fingers at me and others and acting like we're scummy for pointing out the obvious - which, again, you unwittingly agreed to by saying that scum reading you here is easy.

VOTE: Gamma

VOTE: DragonEater70

This draconian leader must be overthrown! Anarchy must reign!!!

I do agree with this after we kill Gamma

Fine, Gamma can die first.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

VOTE: Alianna
I am familiar with 2 players in this game

Then don't vote Alianna

We have, from the oldest to the newest

a RVS vote

Claptastik who, idk, kinda feels like he's tunnelled? Obviously there's some right stuff coming from him, but

there also a lot of "Yeah Gamma interacted with a lot of people, let's kill her for info !"

which just sounds like a way to justify your vote when she's flipping town (ok tinfoil off i swear)

How many times did I say something like that?

upwards who, no offense but his vote isn't really based on a lot more than not understeanding the place gamma is coming from, which that's somewhat fair but i think we can ask more for a day 1 flip

Naerys is calling a tilt vote from Gamma as "being worried she isn't towny enough" which, huh, don't think that's how being scum works, i especially don't think scum gamma feeds a whole 3 pages long argument to clap so that he can lock himself onto her

And Deltawave is looking pretty reasonable, but also came last so it's not even like she gave the spark and made the others follow through, i'd probably call her wrong for the right reasons

i think that i can say without exagerrating much that there's litterally a single good vote on this wagon

i'm also feeling somewhat less confident about margot, would be down to try laplacian if it's a viable counterwagon

Who's scum on this wagon? Or are you saying that we're all town, just bad town?

[lucca261]

Huh, a sudden push on the lowest activity slot in the game. That's not sus at all. This makes me feel better about the gamma and margot wagons, and worse about gypyx.

I mean is it a big sudden push when it's just me, Gamma and Gyp voting him and all the rest of the players are subtly defending Lap?

[DeltaWave]

From what I can tell, Lap's big sin is that he gave a low-effort read list and then OMGUS'ed Lucca. Is that the case against him?

My big issue is he promised good content and gave 3 mediocre posts in the promised hour (this timeframe us metaphorical)

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're voting for Lap because you think he's scum, not as a pressure vote. The reasoning you gave sounds like it would be for a pressure vote.

[lucca261]

FuDuzn just disappearing and posting once a day is concerning to me btw

[Gamma Emerald]

You gonna try forming another townblock any time soon?

I’ve kinda done that already but it hasn’t been formalized

[Gamma Emerald]

From what I can tell, Lap's big sin is that he gave a low-effort read list and then OMGUS'ed Lucca. Is that the case against him?

My big issue is he promised good content and gave 3 mediocre posts in the promised hour (this timeframe us metaphorical)

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're voting for Lap because you think he's scum, not as a pressure vote. The reasoning you gave sounds like it would be for a pressure vote.

Well it’s not. Lap had his shot and blew it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I live! Event over, wife won a silver and a gold in her divisions. Been vaguely keeping up, will effortpost later when at a computer and not phone posting from an uber.

Until then, happy to vote Gamma, Delta, Margot

Will not vote HT, Gypyx

Can be persuaded on everyone else

your limpool is gross, it’s basically every viable vote at this moment.

Upward would be on there too, but I really dont want to lim a newbie day 1

Now that’s just silly isn’t it? While I’d appreciate it to get to play more, I think you must naturally consider voting me if I really appear suspicious to you. Or is there something other than pity behind that thought process?

Would like to hear your case here.

From the opening post:

Have fun - This is not an option. Games are only good when players are having fun. If you are not having fun, replace out. There is no shame in this. I have no problem with it. You are not a bad person. Both you and the game will be happier for it.

Getting nuked day 1 as a newbie sucks and it's a good way to have people not stick around and play more. If you're above that, cool, more power to you, but I generally make it a policy to not vote them day 1 without egregious circumstances.

And this is a genuine question, not idle curiosity. You dropped some chess references earlier. What is your Elo rating?

What??? Are you seriously upset I overlooked your question about

my chess ELO

?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
idk maybe Lap is so fucking out there that he’s town

[Upwards]

Honestly I've been lurking on the thread a couple of times and it seems nothing actually happened those two past days (a lot of the posts are the Clap - Gamma argument that kinda bored me)

will re-read with more attention later, but for now

VOTE: Laplacian

What’s that vote for Lucca? From what I’ve seen you’ve disliked his early posting but never really explained why. Whereas you had explained why you disliked mine.

Also there did happen something with the Delta/Hu Tao situation around Gammas potential E-1, even if for some reason I seem to be the only player finding that noteworthy at all. Any thoughts on that perhaps?

Because his catch-up post is the most generic, 'go with the flow' readslist I have ever seen. I also don't really get the Hu Tao townread from him. It seems like a fake read to me
Saying he's "open to vote" the three most suspected slots on the game while scumreading the fourth most suspected slot and applying no pressure? It's not a town mindset

What's your opinion on the post? @559

Well first of all, I find it a bit irritating that he promised to effortpost "later" and then people jump at him for later being too late. The nature of this game being played 24/7 throughout ones everyday life means there can be very good reasons for a delay. By all means I support not letting players surf through completely unquestioned but in this case I’m a bit surprised by what happened so suddenly.

I think it’s weird that he’s not voting Gamma when he was part of what made me suspicious of her. Can understand the Hu Tao Town read relative to his 232 though I guess? Idk, would need to look more into this.

[DeltaWave]

From what I can tell, Lap's big sin is that he gave a low-effort read list and then OMGUS'ed Lucca. Is that the case against him?

My big issue is he promised good content and gave 3 mediocre posts in the promised hour (this timeframe us metaphorical)

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you're voting for Lap because you think he's scum, not as a pressure vote. The reasoning you gave sounds like it would be for a pressure vote.

Well it’s not. Lap had his shot and blew it.

UNVOTE:
idk maybe Lap is so fucking out there that he’s town

A story in 2 acts

[MargotRosa]

Honestly, all the voting the last few days is a dizzying whirlwind of ridiculousness. Everyone needs to get off the Gamma wagon yesterday and actually start hunting real Scum. Clap losing town points for 622 and even more for 623, when we have 4 days to actually come up with a read that's not as dogshit as the Gamma one

[MargotRosa]

The Lap read is interesting. I thought similarly, but don't really want to vote low activity slots out d1 just on the basis of low activity, esp when they have decent reasons for absences

[Gamma Emerald]

I can’t seriously be that incomprehensible that no one can get my reason for voting Lap correct?

[Claptastik]

Huh, a sudden push on the lowest activity slot in the game. That's not sus at all. This makes me feel better about the gamma and margot wagons, and worse about gypyx.

I mean is it a big sudden push when it's just me, Gamma and Gyp voting him and all the rest of the players are subtly defending Lap?

Yes, it's a sudden push. Is it a BIG sudden push? That's a matter of opinion, but since I didn't say BIG - you added that - it doesn't really matter.