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[Alianna]

votecount

Votecount 2-XVI

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to hammer.

Dannflor (5 = E-1):

ssbm_Kyouko, Katsuki, JacksonVirgo, camelCasedSnivy, Gamma Emerald

ssbm_Kyouko (4 = E-2):

Black, Thomith, Dannflor, Hu Tao

Not Voting (2):

KittyTacky, davesaz

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-15 23:15:09).
  
• You can find the combined mod ISO here
  
• KittyTacky is being replaced.

[Black]

Well the next next votecount after you voted was the final one of the day. Doesn’t seem very productive to me.

With a little work, you can determine what the vote count is after every count.
The movement of the votes is what actually matters.
A flip is productive, more productive than a no-lim.
These are extremely basic concepts. I know you understand them.

Sure I understand the concepts, I just don’t understand how you’re applying them.
How about you spell it all out for me at once.

What does your readslist look like atm

[Katsuki]

I wouldn't be

If you're wrong about Dann then that means you are endlessly tunnelled on two townies. You're no threat to scum in this scenario

Mmm, quite unfortunate that I haven't been able to find a reason for you to not be scum in 374 posts.

I think that says more about you than it does me since quite a few other people have found me as town

IDK how much stock I put on other people's ability to read you accurately Ms. 6-0.

[Katsuki]

~•~

This is such a cuter bump

[Black]

I wouldn't be

If you're wrong about Dann then that means you are endlessly tunnelled on two townies. You're no threat to scum in this scenario

Mmm, quite unfortunate that I haven't been able to find a reason for you to not be scum in 374 posts.

I think that says more about you than it does me since quite a few other people have found me as town

IDK how much stock I put on other people's ability to read you accurately Ms. 6-0.

People definitely found me as scum in those 6 games. It took a combination of good teamwork and some weaseling out of tough situations to win them all. But sure, go ahead and assume I was universally townread in those games and just steamrolled everyone. Whatever it takes to keep convincing yourself you're right about me

[Black]

If kyouko flips scum I think I know who at least one partner is

I'm going to let this marinate for a bit though

[Katsuki]

A lim is needed. I don't know anyone's alignment. So I vote. I don't see any denial there.

A nom is needed again, you should come join the town party on dragondann!

[Black]

A lim is needed. I don't know anyone's alignment. So I vote. I don't see any denial there.

*holds up a sign from the kyouko wagon*

[davesaz]

Well the next next votecount after you voted was the final one of the day. Doesn’t seem very productive to me.

With a little work, you can determine what the vote count is after every count.
The movement of the votes is what actually matters.
A flip is productive, more productive than a no-lim.
These are extremely basic concepts. I know you understand them.

Sure I understand the concepts, I just don’t understand how you’re applying them.
How about you spell it all out for me at once.

You're calling my vote sus, I'm proving it is not sus.
That's all.

[davesaz]

A lim is needed. I don't know anyone's alignment. So I vote. I don't see any denial there.

A nom is needed again, you should come join the town party on dragondann!

Stuff to do first, and there are 5 days.

[Katsuki]

Stuff to do first, and there are 5 days.

Just don't forget

[Gamma Emerald]

Well the next next votecount after you voted was the final one of the day. Doesn’t seem very productive to me.

With a little work, you can determine what the vote count is after every count.
The movement of the votes is what actually matters.
A flip is productive, more productive than a no-lim.
These are extremely basic concepts. I know you understand them.

Sure I understand the concepts, I just don’t understand how you’re applying them.
How about you spell it all out for me at once.

You're calling my vote sus, I'm proving it is not sus.
That's all.

[Gamma Emerald]

can you walk me through *why* your vote isn't sus step-by-step???

[Gamma Emerald]

Well the next next votecount after you voted was the final one of the day. Doesn’t seem very productive to me.

With a little work, you can determine what the vote count is after every count.
The movement of the votes is what actually matters.
A flip is productive, more productive than a no-lim.
These are extremely basic concepts. I know you understand them.

Sure I understand the concepts, I just don’t understand how you’re applying them.
How about you spell it all out for me at once.

What does your readslist look like atm

not sure but I'll say dave has fallen to around null from my earlier TR

[Hu Tao]

I'm fine with either gone. I think kyouko flips scum here though.

[Black]

Well the next next votecount after you voted was the final one of the day. Doesn’t seem very productive to me.

With a little work, you can determine what the vote count is after every count.
The movement of the votes is what actually matters.
A flip is productive, more productive than a no-lim.
These are extremely basic concepts. I know you understand them.

Sure I understand the concepts, I just don’t understand how you’re applying them.
How about you spell it all out for me at once.

What does your readslist look like atm

not sure but I'll say dave has fallen to around null from my earlier TR

Can you give me like a rough estimate of your list

[Gamma Emerald]

kyouko
Jackson
black, katsuki, thomith
hu tao, dave
kitty
cCS
dragondann

would say I'm here
I have a gut feeling 1 of black/katsuki/HT is scum but these placements are excluding that generally

[davesaz]

can you walk me through *why* your vote isn't sus step-by-step???

What I've said is already 100% of the reason. You not accepting it is ringing some serious alarm bells.

[Black]

Was looking at some ISO's and I want to know if anyone else thinks this progression is sus

I don't think it's likely that all 3 scum were on the Naerys wagon

Which means there's at least one scum in {Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}

Alternatively: that wagon was god-awful and we should kill on it.

^Here Gamma rejects my idea of looking off-wagon

{Gamma, Thomith, Jackson, Dragon}

I want to fade in this group

Why has your read on me changed?
Still the Jackson thing from yesterday?

These 4 were off the Naerys wagon and I don't think the entire scum team was on that wagon

Aside from that though I'm having a similar problem that I had in Micro Normal 1094. Some of your posts just gut ping me the wrong way

Issue with your pool is, unless one or less scum was on Naerys, it is still statistically better to look at those on the wagon.

^Gamma continues to argue that we should look on-wagon

I only really voted you because I thought there was a guilty. I still want to look at those that voted Naerys most of all.

^Gamma admits she only voted Dragon because she thought there was a guilty on him, and once again confirms that she wants to vote on-wagon

I’m feeling good about Thomith town so I disagree that the latter group has good odds of hitting scum

^Gamma says she doesn't think voting off-wagon has good odds of hitting scum

intent to hammer

I actually feel somewhat better about JV after our exchange, and since I already TR Thomith and know I’m town, that just leaves Dragon/Dannflor as the only person who can be scum off-wagon.

^Gamma suddenly reverses course when she finds an opportunity to hammer. Her reasoning for declaring intent is because she thinks Dragon is the only person who could be scum off-wagon. Despite constantly arguing that we should vote on-wagon, saying it's statistically better, and even telling Dragon she only voted for him originally because of the "guilty", she almost hammers here

Whoever said sorting a smaller pool is easier was right *shrug*

^This is Gamma's reasoning when called out on this behavior. She throws away statistics, odds, her entire belief that we should fade on-wagon, all because she wanted to take the easier road and hammer someone with 5 days remaining in the deadline. I feel like this sequence is more likely to come from scum

There are a couple posts in between the last two quotes above that don't really track re: Gamma's read on Dragon

I do have some concerns with [Dragon's] D1 actions but I was substantially overstating things to try and push the presumed guilty

At this point I'm willing to leave Dannflor alive to let him cook

Can we fade Katsuki instead? I don't think her reads are real

VOTE: Katsuki

You do you, but I want to put [Dragon] to the fire

Gamma's progression here doesn't make sense to me. She admitted earlier that she only voted Dragon because of the "guilty", and here she doubles down and says she has some concerns with Dragon's D1 but she overstated them due to the "guilty". Then out of no where, Dragon/Dann plummets to the bottom of her readslist and she has decided to push that from this point onwards. It doesn't feel natural at all. It feels like opportunistic scum

I'd like other opinions on this

[Katsuki]

I'd like other opinions on this

Sure. She's probably town.

[Black]

I'd like other opinions on this

Sure. She's probably town.

Why?

[Katsuki]

Why?

Because I think I saw the green word Village in her role PM.

I'm color blind and dyslexic tho.

[Black]

Oh ok cool story bro

[Katsuki]

Oh ok cool story bro

I also didn't see her name in your role PM if that helps.

[Black]

I'd like other opinions on this,

unless you're a troll

Fixed