Well, Enchant slot sat out while important scum PR was yeetedIn post 2294, Jingle wrote:Roden(E-0): Broccoli Quest 2, Dunnstral, ssbm_Kyouko, davesaz, Hu Tao, Guillotina, Elements, Naerys,
Hu Tao (E-6): Random Nurse, Roden,
Elements (E-6):Keyleth, Andresvmb,
Naerys
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Dunnstral (E-8):
Broccoli Quest 2 (E-8):
Keyleth (E-8):
ssbm_Kyouko (E-8):
Celebloki (E-8):
TimmerRC (E-8):
Andresvmb (E-8):
Naerys (E-8):
davesaz (E-8):
Guillotina (E-8):
Random Nurse (E-8):
Not Voting: TimmerRC, Celebloki,
With 14 alive it takes 8 to eject a player from the Game.
Deadline is (expired on 2023-12-17 14:00:00).
Mod Notes: None!
Large Normal 246: Game Over
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once again enchant sat out while we yeeted scumIn post 3510, Jingle wrote:-
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I agree. Considering how concerning mafia with bussing, i think i should be conftown for not being on mafia wagons.Wizard-Mercenary
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Do you think scum bussed both of their partners, then?In post 3527, Enchant wrote: I agree. Considering how concerning mafia with bussing, i think i should be conftown for not being on mafia wagons.-
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There were brief moment where both gamma and guilo voted you unison, so perhaps?Wizard-Mercenary
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I don't really care who voted who.
I just know that usage of 1-shot FN on Doctor claim is outrageous.Wizard-Mercenary
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I really think you are better than this, so you are mafia. As town you simple don't make this blunder.Wizard-Mercenary
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I am not scum though. And i find suspicious that you were not at either of those 2 scum wagonsIn post 3529, Enchant wrote: There were brief moment where both gamma and guilo voted you unison, so perhaps?-
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outrageous is thinking that scum buddies would tie themselves so closely togetherIn post 3531, Enchant wrote: As town you simple don't make this blunder.-
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If i am mafia i know in advance that Guilo will be guiltied by RN.
So i have time to prepare "oh so betrayed" post to bus effectively.
... Or considering i was already confirmed as vanilla, i frame Hu Tao by killing RN beforehand instead of leaving RN alive for no fucking reason and clearing Hu Tao. Killing... Who the hell was that second FN i forgot already, fine who cares, can wait.
Only thing you really can blame me for is not acting on my suspicions beforehand and hammering Jackson, but i was not only idiot who didn't, so.
If i am mafia, i dedicated in ruining my own chances of win for no benefit whatsover. Nosense.Wizard-Mercenary
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I considered it.In post 3533, Naerys wrote:
outrageous is thinking that scum buddies would tie themselves so closely togetherIn post 3531, Enchant wrote: As town you simple don't make this blunder.
If you can fail as town like that, you can do same as mafia. It's both outrageous mistakes you can make.
But as mafia, you can try to pass as incompetent, without really making said blunder if you was real town in this position.
So it doesn't really clear you or anything.Wizard-Mercenary
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I have no idea what you mean considering:
1. There WAS a kill last night
2. Guillotina is both replaced out AND deadEven my signature is green :)-
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In post 3506, Dunnstral wrote:
Where did you see Guillo indicate that they are doctor before this?In post 2241, Broccoli Quest 2 wrote:Welp, I was trying to keep Guilll hidden with my claim, but oh well.there are bold letters in this post that spell out "I'm doc":In post 529, Guillotina wrote:Pre-Flip Associations analysis Part 1
For this analysis,I'm going to look at the game from a third party perspective, pretending Guillotina is just another player.
The following are not Mafia/Mafia together:
Kyo/Guillo based on the following:
In post 18, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Holy shit you're here
VOTE: Guillotina
For that one time in that one game
Dunn/elements based on the following
Reason: The way he questioned elements there. It was designed to attract attention on elements.
In post 28, Dunnstral wrote:
Gamma has done what so far?In post 26, Elements wrote: Gamma and Black probably town
Elements/Dave based on the following:
Reason: Mafia dont pocket each other in RvS, they insteadDistance.
In post 34, Elements wrote:
I like thisIn post 33, davesaz wrote:
Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?In post 29, Dunnstral wrote:
Gamma has done what so far?In post 26, Elements wrote: Gamma and Black probably town
You can be town too, for now
Black/Elements based on this post:
Reason: Black's attack is too visceral and emotional to come from a partner imo.
In post 51, Black wrote:
Why is your plan to spam the thread with a bunch of nothing posts?In post 50, Elements wrote:
I did pre-emptively apologiseIn post 49, Black wrote: Elements you have 13 posts on this page. Can you chillIn post 63, Black wrote:
At the time I had counted 9 relevant posts and 10 spammy ones. That's a lot of posts for two pages. Elements said she's bored with no impulse control so I'm just gonna let her do her thangIn post 63, KawaiiKame wrote:
I feel you're being too dismissive of Elemental's posts, she's asked,In post 52, Black wrote:
Why is your plan to spam the thread with a bunch of nothing posts?In post 50, Elements wrote:
I did pre-emptively apologiseIn post 49, Black wrote: Elements you have 13 posts on this page. Can you chill
Defended you as townIn post 45, Elements wrote: Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?
Apologized for her playstyle
Constantly vote switching is confusing, I want to know why she switched to Nono, any explanation/elabaration is good
Even if it's "spam" she's observing, questioning, defendingKawaii/Kyo based on the following:
Reason: The way Kawaii brought attention to kyo's vote patterns was done in a very discrediting way tocome from a partner.
In post 64, KawaiiKame wrote:In post 12, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: VOTE: nono
Kyouko voted Nono then voted Guilotina, nulling her Nono voteIn post 18, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: VOTE: GuillotinaIn post 112, KawaiiKame wrote:
I feel Duun's claim is genuine, millers often claim miller in their opening posts. Duun's miller claim feels straight up, unlikely that mafia plays this directly. Kyouko feels real/potentially opportunistic, shielding herself behind the initial miller claim if she is mafiaIn post 98, Black wrote: I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scum
VOTE: ssbm_KyoukoGamma/Elements based on the following
Reason: Question was formulated as a shade.
In post 147, Gamma Emerald wrote:
That seems oddIn post 145, Elements wrote:
I think that us probably where the confusion came fromIn post 144, Dunnstral wrote:
The post you are referring to is in response to me, so thinking we are the same slot would mean your reason for thinking Dave is town does not make senseIn post 34, Elements wrote:
I like thisIn post 33, davesaz wrote:
Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?In post 29, Dunnstral wrote:
Gamma has done what so far?In post 26, Elements wrote: Gamma and Black probably town
You can be town too, for now
Your names being right next to each other and so relating to each other in my head. Then when I made the post where I called you town they got mixed up together
You didn’t question why someone would quote themself?Hu Tao/Timmer based on this interaction
In post 168, Hu Tao wrote:
So scum will not target me and I can last till end game. I believe in myself to find scum as long as I'm alive long enough. Now I just need to be towny enough to not be voted out. I've eliminated half of the work.In post 61, TimmerRC wrote:
I understand why people claim miller early on, but why throw out a VT claim on page 1? I'm coming to this site mostly from a background where claiming was against the rules, so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.In post 14, Hu Tao wrote: VTGamma/Random Nurse based on the following
Reason: RN's reaction to Gamma on the faking being a noob accusation was too personal and emotional for mafia/mafia
In post 243, Gamma Emerald wrote:
These questions get old real fastIn post 229, Random Nurse wrote: Is 4:13 the most likely breakdown with 17 players?In post 248, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I know who you are, so the act doesn't fool me.In post 246, Random Nurse wrote:In post 243, Gamma Emerald wrote:
These questions get old real fastIn post 229, Random Nurse wrote: Is 4:13 the most likely breakdown with 17 players?
Well aren't you a peach.Guillo/Kawaii based on this post
Reason: Guillo's question was formulated in a way to bring attention on Kawaii.
In post 276, Guillotina wrote:
And not her vote on me whom had not posted at the time?In post 64, KawaiiKame wrote:In post 12, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: VOTE: nono
Kyouko voted Nono then voted Guilotina, nulling her Nono voteIn post 18, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: VOTE: GuillotinaBlack/Guillo based on this post
In post 317, Black wrote:
Why do you have mixed feelings about kyouko?In post 310, Guillotina wrote: My preliminary reads:
Town
Black
Kawaii
Mixed Feelings
Kyouko
Scum
Naerys
Hu
Gamma
Celebloki
I think she could be scum and I wanted a wagon
Not really liking Guillotina's unvoteI had been voting Guillo right before this but immediately unvoted when I saw the crumb.Even my signature is green :)-
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If i knew about this post existance, i condemn Guilo on spot.Wizard-Mercenary
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I know, Enchant.
All players from towniest to scummiest:
BQ2
Enchant
Naerys
Kyo
Dunn
Therefore
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I rightly understand that you think mafia must be between Dunn-Kyoko?Wizard-Mercenary
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No. I think Dunn has the least reasons to be town, but if he flips town I will need to re-evaluate. And if I get nightkilled then you will need to re-evaluate.Even my signature is green :)-
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Then i wonder why you bother at all with readlist.Wizard-Mercenary
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...In post 3538, Broccoli Quest 2 wrote:In post 3506, Dunnstral wrote:
Where did you see Guillo indicate that they are doctor before this?In post 2241, Broccoli Quest 2 wrote:Welp, I was trying to keep Guilll hidden with my claim, but oh well.there are bold letters in this post that spell out "I'm doc":In post 529, Guillotina wrote:Pre-Flip Associations analysis Part 1
For this analysis,I'm going to look at the game from a third party perspective, pretending Guillotina is just another player.
The following are not Mafia/Mafia together:
Kyo/Guillo based on the following:
In post 18, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Holy shit you're here
VOTE: Guillotina
For that one time in that one game
Dunn/elements based on the following
Reason: The way he questioned elements there. It was designed to attract attention on elements.
In post 28, Dunnstral wrote:
Gamma has done what so far?In post 26, Elements wrote: Gamma and Black probably town
Elements/Dave based on the following:
Reason: Mafia dont pocket each other in RvS, they insteadDistance.
In post 34, Elements wrote:
I like thisIn post 33, davesaz wrote:
Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?In post 29, Dunnstral wrote:
Gamma has done what so far?In post 26, Elements wrote: Gamma and Black probably town
You can be town too, for now
Black/Elements based on this post:
Reason: Black's attack is too visceral and emotional to come from a partner imo.
In post 51, Black wrote:
Why is your plan to spam the thread with a bunch of nothing posts?In post 50, Elements wrote:
I did pre-emptively apologiseIn post 49, Black wrote: Elements you have 13 posts on this page. Can you chillIn post 63, Black wrote:
At the time I had counted 9 relevant posts and 10 spammy ones. That's a lot of posts for two pages. Elements said she's bored with no impulse control so I'm just gonna let her do her thangIn post 63, KawaiiKame wrote:
I feel you're being too dismissive of Elemental's posts, she's asked,In post 52, Black wrote:
Why is your plan to spam the thread with a bunch of nothing posts?In post 50, Elements wrote:
I did pre-emptively apologiseIn post 49, Black wrote: Elements you have 13 posts on this page. Can you chill
Defended you as townIn post 45, Elements wrote: Does anyone else think it's scum indicating when someone isn't voting?
Apologized for her playstyle
Constantly vote switching is confusing, I want to know why she switched to Nono, any explanation/elabaration is good
Even if it's "spam" she's observing, questioning, defendingKawaii/Kyo based on the following:
Reason: The way Kawaii brought attention to kyo's vote patterns was done in a very discrediting way tocome from a partner.
In post 64, KawaiiKame wrote:In post 12, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: VOTE: nono
Kyouko voted Nono then voted Guilotina, nulling her Nono voteIn post 18, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: VOTE: GuillotinaIn post 112, KawaiiKame wrote:
I feel Duun's claim is genuine, millers often claim miller in their opening posts. Duun's miller claim feels straight up, unlikely that mafia plays this directly. Kyouko feels real/potentially opportunistic, shielding herself behind the initial miller claim if she is mafiaIn post 98, Black wrote: I'm not sure. Dunn's claim felt like a joke with it being the first post of the game. Kyouko's feels more real but I'm not familiar enough with her to tell if it's coming from scum
VOTE: ssbm_KyoukoGamma/Elements based on the following
Reason: Question was formulated as a shade.
In post 147, Gamma Emerald wrote:
That seems oddIn post 145, Elements wrote:
I think that us probably where the confusion came fromIn post 144, Dunnstral wrote:
The post you are referring to is in response to me, so thinking we are the same slot would mean your reason for thinking Dave is town does not make senseIn post 34, Elements wrote:
I like thisIn post 33, davesaz wrote:
Why not the same amount of puzzlement at both?In post 29, Dunnstral wrote:
Gamma has done what so far?In post 26, Elements wrote: Gamma and Black probably town
You can be town too, for now
Your names being right next to each other and so relating to each other in my head. Then when I made the post where I called you town they got mixed up together
You didn’t question why someone would quote themself?Hu Tao/Timmer based on this interaction
In post 168, Hu Tao wrote:
So scum will not target me and I can last till end game. I believe in myself to find scum as long as I'm alive long enough. Now I just need to be towny enough to not be voted out. I've eliminated half of the work.In post 61, TimmerRC wrote:
I understand why people claim miller early on, but why throw out a VT claim on page 1? I'm coming to this site mostly from a background where claiming was against the rules, so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.In post 14, Hu Tao wrote: VTGamma/Random Nurse based on the following
Reason: RN's reaction to Gamma on the faking being a noob accusation was too personal and emotional for mafia/mafia
In post 243, Gamma Emerald wrote:
These questions get old real fastIn post 229, Random Nurse wrote: Is 4:13 the most likely breakdown with 17 players?In post 248, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I know who you are, so the act doesn't fool me.In post 246, Random Nurse wrote:In post 243, Gamma Emerald wrote:
These questions get old real fastIn post 229, Random Nurse wrote: Is 4:13 the most likely breakdown with 17 players?
Well aren't you a peach.Guillo/Kawaii based on this post
Reason: Guillo's question was formulated in a way to bring attention on Kawaii.
In post 276, Guillotina wrote:
And not her vote on me whom had not posted at the time?In post 64, KawaiiKame wrote:In post 12, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: VOTE: nono
Kyouko voted Nono then voted Guilotina, nulling her Nono voteIn post 18, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: VOTE: GuillotinaBlack/Guillo based on this post
In post 317, Black wrote:
Why do you have mixed feelings about kyouko?In post 310, Guillotina wrote: My preliminary reads:
Town
Black
Kawaii
Mixed Feelings
Kyouko
Scum
Naerys
Hu
Gamma
Celebloki
I think she could be scum and I wanted a wagon
Not really liking Guillotina's unvoteI had been voting Guillo right before this but immediately unvoted when I saw the crumb.
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Not gonna lie I didn't read those posts - I looked back at them a couple of times to see who he was saying couldnt be scum with who but I just wasnt going to read walls upon walls of preflip associations.
Kinda clever to put such an obvious crumb in such an unreadable post, it would excuse why he wasn't shot if he ever pointed it out or if any town ever found itP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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I didn't even read that time. I saw the bold capital I and I trust the rest is there. JesusP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Hu Tao actually dying is oddP,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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I think it means there is no blocker, or it's meant to make us think there is no blocker. Killing Hu Tao acknowledges that she was confirmed town by RN. Which means scum aren't willing to play the "what if RN was blocked" card in ELO.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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If there is no blocker the last scum could be a goon.
What do you think a Rolecop thinks if he sees "Doctor" when investigating Guillo? Probably Town since the only TPR that can kill in the setup is Babysitter. Our vig couldn't kill. And I just realized something because it came up in another game - scum can have vigilantes in complex normals. It would be weird to think RNs role is scum if rolecopped, but it is technically allowable under the complex rules. What I'm getting at is the rolecop had a lot of innos on town's side - and we've now seen a false inno flip from scum. Rolecop seems to be weaker than we gave it credit for.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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Dave neighborizes were
N1: Dunn (failed)
N2: Enchant/Keyleth (success)
N3: BQ2 (success)
Thing is, Mafia Doctor was a way to provide a false inno versus RN's role I think. Doctor would supersede Bodyguard I'm pretty sure because the golden rule - the Bodyguard action doesn't result in the Bodyguard dying if the target is already protected by a Doc, so the Doc would stop the shot, RN would live, and if he targeted Doctored Mafia they would appear innocent. Likely scum tried this every night, but RN ended up targeting Guillo, so this was not effective.P,Polarized!I,Intelligent!N,Never wrong!K,Kyouko!
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