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[Upwards]

And now you argue because of him you won’t answer my question?

What is your question?

What do you make of 1031?

[biancospino]

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Enchant (4):

Prince of Paterson, Naerys, Laplacian, Hu Tao

Upwards (1):

Comical

Prince of Paterson (1):

DeltaWave

Comical (1):

Enchant

Not Voting (3):

Upwards, lucca261, Gypyx

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to throw someone to the lions.

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[Enchant]

And now you argue because of him you won’t answer my question?

What is your question?

What do you make of 1031?

Meta is unreliable. But yes, these my previous games.

[DeltaWave]

UNVOTE: Enchant

i'm ready to revote but i wonder if scum upwards would've hammered there

According to my reads as they are right now, the Enchant wagon is mostly town-led with the notable exception of PoP. It's interesting that nobody hammered, especially because it would have been a justifiable hammer. So either it's Scum!Enchant or my townreads are off.

Yeah i mean, i think scum upwards wouldn't dare hammering it? at least not without his partner encouraging it

i think we're onto scum one way or another today at least

There could be a lot of things going on here but it is an interesting dynamic. Could be Enchant and Upwards as teammates and Upwards doesn't want to let his partner go that easy.

[Enchant]

For people that mad about quickhammers, you are surely start making... Interesting arguments.

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE: Enchant

i'm ready to revote but i wonder if scum upwards would've hammered there

According to my reads as they are right now, the Enchant wagon is mostly town-led with the notable exception of PoP. It's interesting that nobody hammered, especially because it would have been a justifiable hammer. So either it's Scum!Enchant or my townreads are off.

Yeah i mean, i think scum upwards wouldn't dare hammering it? at least not without his partner encouraging it

i think we're onto scum one way or another today at least

There could be a lot of things going on here but it is an interesting dynamic. Could be Enchant and Upwards as teammates and Upwards doesn't want to let his partner go that easy.

I mean, i was more thinking in the line of "if i kill enchant today they'll deffo go for me tommorow" which would be pretty realistic given upward's rough position, regardless of enchant's alignement

[DeltaWave]

UNVOTE: Enchant

i'm ready to revote but i wonder if scum upwards would've hammered there

According to my reads as they are right now, the Enchant wagon is mostly town-led with the notable exception of PoP. It's interesting that nobody hammered, especially because it would have been a justifiable hammer. So either it's Scum!Enchant or my townreads are off.

Yeah i mean, i think scum upwards wouldn't dare hammering it? at least not without his partner encouraging it

i think we're onto scum one way or another today at least

There could be a lot of things going on here but it is an interesting dynamic. Could be Enchant and Upwards as teammates and Upwards doesn't want to let his partner go that easy.

I mean, i was more thinking in the line of "if i kill enchant today they'll deffo go for me tommorow" which would be pretty realistic given upward's rough position, regardless of enchant's alignement

I see your point, but Upwards was the other big wagon of the day so it doesn't really get Upwards out of anything by not hammering. It's possible that the scumteam didn't want all of them on the same wagon, or if I'm wrong about PoP, Upwards didn't want to hammer a buddy. Or maybe Upwards just got cold feet idk

[Laplacian]

UNVOTE: Enchant

i'm ready to revote but i wonder if scum upwards would've hammered there

According to my reads as they are right now, the Enchant wagon is mostly town-led with the notable exception of PoP. It's interesting that nobody hammered, especially because it would have been a justifiable hammer. So either it's Scum!Enchant or my townreads are off.

Yeah i mean, i think scum upwards wouldn't dare hammering it? at least not without his partner encouraging it

i think we're onto scum one way or another today at least

There could be a lot of things going on here but it is an interesting dynamic. Could be Enchant and Upwards as teammates and Upwards doesn't want to let his partner go that easy.

I mean, i was more thinking in the line of "if i kill enchant today they'll deffo go for me tommorow" which would be pretty realistic given upward's rough position, regardless of enchant's alignement

I see your point, but Upwards was the other big wagon of the day so it doesn't really get Upwards out of anything by not hammering. It's possible that the scumteam didn't want all of them on the same wagon, or if I'm wrong about PoP, Upwards didn't want to hammer a buddy. Or maybe Upwards just got cold feet idk

What's your case on PoP?

[Laplacian]

I want to give him a chance to stop acting and start playing

How much time were you going to give them?

[DeltaWave]

What's your case on PoP?

1. Zebedee's vote pattern was weird. He was on Gamma during the competing Gamma/Margot wagons and then, fairly mysteriously, moved his vote away from either of those wagons (specifically to me) and just sat out the rest of the day until he was replaced. No real rationale was given for this.

2. To make matters worse, he had some interaction with Margot that I see as being critical of Margot. It is somewhat hard for me to tell because I don't totally understand what he was saying but it sounded like he had an issue with Margot. Yet instead of voting Margot, he votes for a go-nowhere wagon and parks himself there without explanation. It feels like scum who doesn't want to bus their buddy on D1 but also doesn't want to be on a mis-elim wagon.

3. PoP replaces in and basically immediately begins defending Upwards, who also had suspicious activity on D1. PoP has posted quite a lot in defense of Upwards and is kind of thin everywhere else.

4. PoP also frustrated me by asking questions that I've answered before. (This may or may not be a scumtell)

However, I did find PoP's comment about Enchant's meta to be interesting and possibly he has a point there. Enchant looks to be more flippant as scum and that tracks in the games PoP posted. So I'm also entertaining Enchant/Upwards as a possibility.

[DragonEater70]

Prodding lucca261

[Laplacian]

What's your case on PoP?

1. Zebedee's vote pattern was weird. He was on Gamma during the competing Gamma/Margot wagons and then, fairly mysteriously, moved his vote away from either of those wagons (specifically to me) and just sat out the rest of the day until he was replaced. No real rationale was given for this.

2. To make matters worse, he had some interaction with Margot that I see as being critical of Margot. It is somewhat hard for me to tell because I don't totally understand what he was saying but it sounded like he had an issue with Margot. Yet instead of voting Margot, he votes for a go-nowhere wagon and parks himself there without explanation. It feels like scum who doesn't want to bus their buddy on D1 but also doesn't want to be on a mis-elim wagon.

3. PoP replaces in and basically immediately begins defending Upwards, who also had suspicious activity on D1. PoP has posted quite a lot in defense of Upwards and is kind of thin everywhere else.

4. PoP also frustrated me by asking questions that I've answered before. (This may or may not be a scumtell)

However, I did find PoP's comment about Enchant's meta to be interesting and possibly he has a point there. Enchant looks to be more flippant as scum and that tracks in the games PoP posted. So I'm also entertaining Enchant/Upwards as a possibility.

Agreed on #1 & 2, rereading ZBD it is a really weird vote. Not sold on #3 though - there's the one major post and a few mentions, but he's spent about as many posts analyzing & discussing Enchant as well.

[Enchant]

No creature is one-dimensional.

No one will act same twice.

[Laplacian]

Also, people have been talking about the hammering (or lack thereof), so wagon time. Looking at the wagons, on Upward we had:
Gypyx, PoP, MMRP, Naerys, Laplacian

And on Enchant:
PoP, Gypyx, Naerys, Laplacian, HT


This means that on both wagons were:
PoP, Gypyx, Naerys, Me

On neither wagon:
Lucca, Delta, Upwards*, Enchant*

This makes me feel better about Delta. If she was scum I'd have expected her to hop on whichever one of the two E-1 wagons was actually town.

PoP & Gypyx started both of these wagons, and town is (imo) sitting in a pretty good spot with 2v8. I think this means maf won't hardbus. So if Enchant is scum, PoP is probably safe. (fakeedit: Just noticed Naerys basically said the complement of this in 1072). Same with Upward -> Gypyx.


@Delta, do you agree with that last paragraph? If so, can I persuade you to join the Enchant wagon to try to get a clear on PoP?

[Enchant]

^Dispose of this next^


I know you won't, but i will value effort.

[Naerys]

[Laplacian]

No creature is one-dimensional.

No one will act same twice.

Ugh, I started liking your posting the last couple posts, then you drop this platitude. Heraclitus beat you too it by a good 2000 years.

Got anything relevant? Explanation for either vote? Why you think I'm so sus? A claim? Cute animated gif?

[Naerys]

Riiight, Laplacian was actually trying to bus Margot.

[Enchant]

No creature is one-dimensional.

No one will act same twice.

Ugh, I started liking your posting the last couple posts, then you drop this platitude. Heraclitus beat you too it by a good 2000 years.

Got anything relevant? Explanation for either vote? Why you think I'm so sus? A claim? Cute animated gif?

I am not interested in entertaining you, as you just mock me and assume me as evil.

Even if you are not evildoer, it's waste of time, as you proven to be stubborn.

[DeltaWave]

@Delta, do you agree with that last paragraph? If so, can I persuade you to join the Enchant wagon to try to get a clear on PoP?

Well clearly nobody else is going to vote for PoP so I am leading a crusade that's going nowhere. I'm fine with a vote on Enchant for obvious reasons.

VOTE: Enchant

[Prince of Paterson]

I think if these are both town wagons then scum is probably someone like lucca who is disengaged with the game.

[Laplacian]

No creature is one-dimensional.

No one will act same twice.

Ugh, I started liking your posting the last couple posts, then you drop this platitude. Heraclitus beat you too it by a good 2000 years.

Got anything relevant? Explanation for either vote? Why you think I'm so sus? A claim? Cute animated gif?

I am not interested in entertaining you, as you just mock me and assume me as evil.

Even if you are not evildoer, it's waste of time, as you proven to be stubborn.

I've just softened on Deltawave over the last several pages. You haven't given me, or anyone else, anything to try to change opinions. Even if you think I'm impossibly stubborn, there's 8 other people for you to try to convince and you just yeet straight over the opening I tried to give you.

[Comical]

Well, Enchant didn’t answer my question of being scum, so

Intent to hammer

[Comical]

I know like nothing of this game so

[Comical]

How close til deadline? Cuz if you put to E-1 before I have time to catch up and really get here, that’s scummy of Delta.