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@Dragon - I just kinda have a soul town read on Hu Tao.
And the fact I can’t explain more of that….sounds very familiar.
And the fact i also see some type of intangible with you that I have a hard time coming from scum DESPITE thinking a lot of your stuff is scummy, i don’t really think you’d make a lot of that stuff as scum.
One no kill makes sense to help give credit to a JK claim.
Two is A LOT to do, but 2nd no kill still didn’t add an extra day, so sure.
But there is an intangible Dragon’s had this game. And for Dragon to be scum, it would require a pretty high level of scum play, and I was originally giving Dragon the benefit of the doubt that they could be there, and then I saw the scum game Black linked and Black pointing out similarities.
I think it’s admirable of Black to put this effort in, but I do think Black inherently is pushing a scum agenda in a way that makes sense to do in the given gamestate.
With Gamma, Gamma and I have been playing together almost a decade, I’ve been scum who burned her many a time.
I convinced her to vote a role cop confirmed Miller in 3p ELO to win a scum game. I’ve misfaded her as scum.
She’s correctly called me out as scum multiple times.
While it’s a big project for her, after she went away, her voice and pressure stopped being able to affect me so much.
This is exactly what it was like with Bingle in Classic Commercials. I would catch them, make a big case, then they come in to patch the holes and actively ease my paranoia on them.
Gamma started to do the same, not as obviously, but she’s not as logical a player as Bingle is. Bingle uses logic and plays a logical town as scum, apparently with some AtE.
Gamma coming in pushing Pav makes sense in a world where she thinks I’m town reading Dragon/Hu Tao.
But then she switched to Hu Tao because I was pushing in the 3.
I think Pav could be correct that it’s Purple here as well, so Joyboy (Gamma-Black)/Purple/HPE makes a lot of sense to me.
I’m not 100% sure that Geraint or Pav isn’t scum here right now. HPE talked about how that one would never be scum with CW, and then Gamma reinforced that idea. So it’s not ‘impossible’ it’s there either for me right now, but I think they were being genuine with that too.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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In post 134, Hu Tao wrote:
Sus post. How is it dead? It's been less than a day?In post 41, DragonEater70 wrote: So is this game dead already? That sucks.
Btw I am an Alien Novice Death-Millerizer 2-Shot Vigilante.In post 268, Hu Tao wrote:
Since when have you started doing this?In post 209, DragonEater70 wrote: It means "I read this person's post and was thinking whether I should vote them or not based on the post, and I concluded that I don't want to vote them. And then I decided that simply passively not voting is not enough, I should be actively not voting them"
And basically the heal tag is a way to actively not vote someone I guess.In post 280, Hu Tao wrote:
This is flavor most of the time in the beginning of games, not sure why you're surprisedIn post 250, DragonEater70 wrote: It's really hard to sheep Flavor when he doesn't give me scumreads to work with btwIn post 283, Hu Tao wrote:
This is wild because I feel like we see things completely different right now. I don't think dragon is that scummy ATM.In post 254, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: It'd be weirdly straightforward but it feels like it could just be {Laplacian, DE, ???}
Dragon feels like he wants anythingbutfor the focus to be on Laplacian and Laplacian feels like he knows he's toast and is trying to Distance from DE before he goes downIn post 291, Hu Tao wrote:
Flavor since I've seen him do this as town. Dragon is a maybe. Think that's it. I usually don't give townreads or scumreads too easy though.In post 288, Pavowski wrote: Hey Hu, who (lol?) are you feeling towny on right now? Just curious.In post 384, Hu Tao wrote:
I don't think he can't play this way as scum, but I don't think he's done anything that scummy.In post 338, Flavor Leaf wrote: i just have a hard time seeing Dragon play this way as scum. it's over the line of too much as scum, that i think it's just genuine.
im pocketed cuz of it if they are scum, though, so ill have to break out of that later in the game if it turns out they are, but thats not a Day 1 thingIn post 388, Hu Tao wrote:
Do you usually love when someone scumreads you?In post 387, DragonEater70 wrote:
Don't love this thought tbhIn post 376, Laplacian wrote: Getting more sus on Dragoneater. Despite having the most posts by a good 60% margin, their posts are proportionally low-content and fell back to the sheeping post from page 1 when Pav called out his weird vote pattern in 358. Their push for HPE feels legit though and not like a preemptive bus, so I'm feeling 1 scum between DE and HPE.In post 399, Hu Tao wrote:
? He's saying he's voting someone who is scummy. What do you meanIn post 395, DragonEater70 wrote:
Then actually find and vote scumIn post 393, Laplacian wrote: I'm at E-2, no shit I'm in survival mode. The two leading votes are basically me vs you right now, and I know I'm town while you've been exuding scum vibes, so ofc I'm going to try to get people to vote smart instead of following ssmb's train tunnel to a mislim.In post 800, Hu Tao wrote:
Oh wait. You're serious in your scumread of FL for that? I thought it was a jokeIn post 740, DragonEater70 wrote:@mod could you please confirm there's no error in the wiki, in setup creation or in the tagging of the setup as Simple, and that N1 roles are impossible in this game?
As you can see in the beginning of the game I was immediately sus of Dragon. And was asking questions throughout. I was not 100% on my Town read of Dragon in the beginning. But I slowly locked him as town. Scum wasted an opportunity to have themselves ahead when they did not kill anyone for those nights in a row and they gave us an extra Elim. If Dragon was scum he would have no reason to no kill 3 nights in a row, especially when no one was sus of him. He didn't even claim day 2 when there was a no kill day 3. As scum he could have just blocked and killed flavor and claimed something else to not have spotlight on him. By not doing this, he gave town more chances to win. Not only do i not see dragon doing this, but i do not see a whole scum team agreeing to it. Maybe if the team was all lurkers or something but we know HPE was scum, so I doubt hpe would go along with that. Sorry, I suppose since I've been going round and around with everyone a few times, I didn't give you a proper explanation and was a little short.In post 801, Hu Tao wrote:
Oh okay figuredIn post 745, DragonEater70 wrote:
Scared about whatIn post 741, Flavor Leaf wrote: Night 1’s not my modifier, just wanted to WIFOM scum to have them wonder if I have another shot or not.
You looking scared, DragonEater.
I was 100% making it look like it was you. You been trying to pocket me all game.
I correctly read you as the vig, just voted you cause your claim made no sense
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I can’t vote Pav today.
We’ve been through too much, and I gotta trust my gut there right now.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Tbf I was against pav. I thought he was the towniest of the bunch originally but we were in a deadlock and pav seemed to be the compromise at the timeIn post 3375, Black wrote: Why do you scumread Pav?-
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I'm townIn post 3376, Flavor Leaf wrote: I think it’s admirable of Black to put this effort in, but I do think Black inherently is pushing a scum agenda in a way that makes sense to do in the given gamestate-
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Do you think this is exclusive to Dragon or do you think there are other players that would no-kill?In post 3377, Hu Tao wrote: If Dragon was scum he would have no reason to no kill 3 nights in a row, especially when no one was sus of him-
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That long post was to black. I should start using spaces, my post looks so disorganized-
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What do you mean he could have blocked FL if he were scum?In post 3377, Hu Tao wrote: As scum he could have just blocked and killed flavor and claimed something else to not have spotlight on him.-
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I could see flavor doing it as like a gambit if he was in a bad situation and had to as scum. But most players wouldn't.In post 3381, Black wrote:
Do you think this is exclusive to Dragon or do you think there are other players that would no-kill?In post 3377, Hu Tao wrote: If Dragon was scum he would have no reason to no kill 3 nights in a row, especially when no one was sus of him-
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He's claimed jk. He's confirmed jk since he's blocked flavor. So he could kill and block flavor and not have to worry about a pr or playing around it.In post 3383, Black wrote:
What do you mean he could have blocked FL if he were scum?In post 3377, Hu Tao wrote: As scum he could have just blocked and killed flavor and claimed something else to not have spotlight on him.-
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Scum are confirmed to have a blocker because N1 Dragon claimed they were blocked. If they’re town, they’re telling the truth.In post 3383, Black wrote:
What do you mean he could have blocked FL if he were scum?In post 3377, Hu Tao wrote: As scum he could have just blocked and killed flavor and claimed something else to not have spotlight on him.
N2 my vig shot on HPE didn’t go off, and there was no kill. So i was targeted at least for a block, and then they chose to No Kill if so.
N3, no vig shot, and no kill.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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I'm curious why you seem to think Dragon wouldn't no kill as scum when he did it twice in Flavorless Hell. It wasn't really the optimal play there either and the only person that really suspected him was youIn post 3384, Hu Tao wrote:
I could see flavor doing it as like a gambit if he was in a bad situation and had to as scum. But most players wouldn't.In post 3381, Black wrote:
Do you think this is exclusive to Dragon or do you think there are other players that would no-kill?In post 3377, Hu Tao wrote: If Dragon was scum he would have no reason to no kill 3 nights in a row, especially when no one was sus of him-
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Gambiting in good situations > gambiting in bad situations.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd-
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In post 3387, Black wrote:
I'm curious why you seem to think Dragon wouldn't no kill as scum when he did it twice in Flavorless Hell. It wasn't really the optimal play there either and the only person that really suspected him was youIn post 3384, Hu Tao wrote:
I could see flavor doing it as like a gambit if he was in a bad situation and had to as scum. But most players wouldn't.In post 3381, Black wrote:
Do you think this is exclusive to Dragon or do you think there are other players that would no-kill?In post 3377, Hu Tao wrote: If Dragon was scum he would have no reason to no kill 3 nights in a row, especially when no one was sus of him
HE DID IT TWICE THERE AND HERE.
Okay, we are living in a Dragon or Black scum world.
Tinfoil: we’re living in a Dragon AND Black scum world.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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So FL is mechanically confirmed?
There's no possible one-shot kill roll with scum in this setup?-
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You're all over the placeIn post 3389, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 3387, Black wrote:
I'm curious why you seem to think Dragon wouldn't no kill as scum when he did it twice in Flavorless Hell. It wasn't really the optimal play there either and the only person that really suspected him was youIn post 3384, Hu Tao wrote:
I could see flavor doing it as like a gambit if he was in a bad situation and had to as scum. But most players wouldn't.In post 3381, Black wrote:
Do you think this is exclusive to Dragon or do you think there are other players that would no-kill?In post 3377, Hu Tao wrote: If Dragon was scum he would have no reason to no kill 3 nights in a row, especially when no one was sus of him
HE DID IT TWICE THERE AND HERE.
Okay, we are living in a Dragon or Black scum world.
Tinfoil: we’re living in a Dragon AND Black scum world.-
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There is a difference. There he was last scum and people already scumread him. Here all scum alive and cop is dead with a Vig claimed already. There is no need to take a risk in a heavily scum favored positionIn post 3387, Black wrote:
I'm curious why you seem to think Dragon wouldn't no kill as scum when he did it twice in Flavorless Hell. It wasn't really the optimal play there either and the only person that really suspected him was youIn post 3384, Hu Tao wrote:
I could see flavor doing it as like a gambit if he was in a bad situation and had to as scum. But most players wouldn't.In post 3381, Black wrote:
Do you think this is exclusive to Dragon or do you think there are other players that would no-kill?In post 3377, Hu Tao wrote: If Dragon was scum he would have no reason to no kill 3 nights in a row, especially when no one was sus of him-
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Flavor is 100% town confirmed. I think scum vig aren't allowed in normalsIn post 3390, Black wrote: So FL is mechanically confirmed?
There's no possible one-shot kill roll with scum in this setup?-
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How to tell you’ve never seen a TownFlavor for 500.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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The amount of times I’ve gone from saying Dragon is conf scum to saying they’re lock town, i don’t think i can count on one hand.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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You should read the game me and him just lost as town in. This is nothingIn post 3391, Black wrote:
You're all over the placeIn post 3389, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 3387, Black wrote:
I'm curious why you seem to think Dragon wouldn't no kill as scum when he did it twice in Flavorless Hell. It wasn't really the optimal play there either and the only person that really suspected him was youIn post 3384, Hu Tao wrote:
I could see flavor doing it as like a gambit if he was in a bad situation and had to as scum. But most players wouldn't.In post 3381, Black wrote:
Do you think this is exclusive to Dragon or do you think there are other players that would no-kill?In post 3377, Hu Tao wrote: If Dragon was scum he would have no reason to no kill 3 nights in a row, especially when no one was sus of him
HE DID IT TWICE THERE AND HERE.
Okay, we are living in a Dragon or Black scum world.
Tinfoil: we’re living in a Dragon AND Black scum world.-
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To be clear I think town!you would be all over the place. It reminds me of town!meIn post 3394, Flavor Leaf wrote: How to tell you’ve never seen a TownFlavor for 500.-
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Here’s my idea:
Fade Black. Dragon jails me either way. If she’s town, fade Dragon.
If she’s scum, same thing.
Let’s go Black->Dragon.
If Dragon is ever blocked to get me killed, i will get a vig shot.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Gamma actually did say something about how you were all over the place and it made it incredibly difficult for scum to manage.In post 3397, Black wrote:
To be clear I think town!you would be all over the place. It reminds me of town!meIn post 3394, Flavor Leaf wrote: How to tell you’ve never seen a TownFlavor for 500.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
”Yeah, the moment I realized Flavor was scum I stopped trying because I’m sure as hell not beating him.” - Clemency
”Not bragging about myself as much as I'm actually praising the Scum player of the year...and probably the decade.” - Almost50
"Just accept that FL is too good as scum, period." - Clidd
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