micro 1096: planned idea [game over]

[Skygazer]

votecount 1.11

Ausuka (3) - Two Level 1 Rogues, Flare Fluff, DkKoba
MargotRosa (2) - HighPrincessErinys, shaddowez
Flare Fluff (2) - Ausuka, Black
HighPrincessErinys (1) - MargotRosa
Two Level 1 Rogues (1) - tris

not voting

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with nine alive, it takes five to deprive. day one ends in (expired on 2024-01-21 23:15:00).

mod notes:

[tris]

VOTE: ausuka

:3

VOTE: margotrosa

:3

[Ausuka]

i've heard she can be good at scum, so i'm a little bit warry though

Girl I am literally the most voted player in the game

[Ausuka]

i can make it a 1 leading wagon

this got old about ten pages ago

[Ausuka]

This may be an unpopular opinion but I actually think static reads are more wolf indicative than reads that change all the time

i would agree with it

[Ausuka]

@Black, Flare Fluff - What do you think about the two leading wagons?

- Corinne

What was the point of asking this?

[Ausuka]

the whole interaction about 431 comes off as incredibly strange to me.

the question feels sort of pointless (who doesn't know flare fluff's opinion about me?) and the response is an entire paragraph which is just kind of saying "wagons could help me read people" in many different ways.

I guess rogue kind of comes out of it worse.

[Ausuka]

406 not 431 zzz

Ok I'm going to sleep now have fun

[MargotRosa]

Is piggybacking somebody inherently scummy?

- Theran

If the player is just going to piggyback without giving their own takes then yes it does look scummy. I don't recall seeing HPE give a single take that is not about wagons. It said it gave takes when it was arguing with Roden. I have read this interaction 3 times and it just looks like they are attacking each other. An interaction like that they had was not helpful for me on getting a read out of that.

- A

Again, if you looked at that argument and couldn't get anything on me or Roden from me picking his push apart in 277, that's kinda on you? Roden argued exclusively in bad faith.

This whole game is so silly at this point, and you going on about whether or not Roden was arguing in bad faith, which scum Roden would never do, is not really helping.

Honestly, all this looks like to me is someone going after the one slot I can be 100% certain is Town, because I am town, with the same argument, and all that does is make me more and more likely to scum read you.

Honestly, this is all a very easy replacement for me, because I haven't needed to move the vote at all lol

[HighPrincessErinys]

you going on about whether or not Roden was arguing in bad faith, which scum Roden would never do, is not really helping.

what

[HighPrincessErinys]

seriously what.
what the fuck does that mean.

[MargotRosa]

I explained this in my attempt at understanding Roden's play,m which you asked for when I joined the game?

I honestly don't understand this adversarial gameplay, can someone else explain whether this is expected playstyle for the slot?

[HighPrincessErinys]

I explained this in my attempt at understanding Roden's play,m which you asked for when I joined the game?

so you're telling me scum!roden just doesn't lie or omit things and only argues in good faith

[HighPrincessErinys]

you're telling me that his blatantly wrong posts were made in good faith? that arguing "well HPE didn't want to vote shadow after the pressure on his wagon stopped, which

clearly

contradicts its previous stance of not wanting flashwagons/quickhamers" was done in good faith?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Would you like to join me on Shaddow in the mean time at least?

That's a weird question to ask right after your interaction with HPE. Do you have any thoughts of its alignment?

@Roden

I don't think it's town. It's claiming to be wary of quick hammers and flash wagons, but it didn't want to vote Shaddow even after the momentum there lulled. Withdrawing it's vote from Ausuka's wagon as well when it gained momentum makes me think it either only cares about appearances in case of a town flip, or is wary protecting a partner from an early elim. Either way, I don't see the town motivation for it.

There is just no way you believe a word of this. Are you even PRETENDING to have a real read on me at this point? How is not wanting to vote Shadow after his wagon stopped contradictory to being wary of quickhammers? Why is this even a point?? This one didn't care to vote Shadow in the first place let alone after his wagon's 'momentum' stopped. It's say MORE than a few times why it townreads him, infact. My participation on Ausuka's wagon was pure RVS and when a wagon it didn't believe in got in hammer distance it took the reasonable approach of stepping the fuck off so it can instead

read

Ausuka and make an informed decision to vote her later when it had

info

. And if you can't see the town motivation for not wanting stupid earlygame lolwagons go through... yikes.

Withdrawing it's vote from Ausuka's wagon as well when it gained momentum makes me think it either only cares about appearances in case of a town flip, or is wary protecting a partner from an early elim.

As an aside, it's also really insulting that you think scum!me is some fucking scum amateur that unvotes people because uwaa scawy association with a town flip :(((
Scum have to get their hands dirty, asshole.

My biggest regret is snapping on Roden and making him leave because it didn't give him a chance to explain this at all.

[shaddowez]

More to come after work meetings

I lied, more to come tomorrow.

[Flare Fluff]

So I find it weird that she would assume scum switch votes a lot here when town switch votes a lot where she comes from. Why would she think this forum operates any differently? And you can let H answer this, I don't expect you to read her mind

It's not scummy to switch votes around. I do it all the time

scum have flipped flop votes i've seen past game, so not only town. nothing weird

i'm new here, so not familiar with every player here beside A, to know which player behaves as scum or town etc



~H

this was meant response to Black

quoted at a instead lol

~H

[Flare Fluff]

if you think people like tris or me were sincerely pushing Shadow for not posting that early into day 1 and koba was sincerely threatening to hammer, that would be remarkably bad play on our part and worthy of further comment. HPE and Black, who both thought we were being serious, made comments to this effect and pushed back against our push, which makes sense because in that hypothetical world our push would, again, be really terrible. I view the lack of calling us out (and potentially getting into conflict) as a cautious play. I think most players would argue against it as either alignment, but I think not doing it is somewhat more likely to come from scum because some scum players do overthink things and are cautious.

There is also an element of tone in me reading your early game as cautious, which I am obviously not going to be able to explain in great depth.

I still think your response to me is contradictory, and that's probably slightly scum indicative, but it's also something town do fairly often.

Do you have reads on players other than me?

well Me and A are not scum, so this whole cautious push feels like push narrative, and it was mention early. where usually people just fluff early day 1 and so placing votes and on and off.

you on the other hand are past the fluff stage with that vote on A. could be town tunnel. but every time i see someone early read someone as scum in early phase, instead day later i lean more scum. since town look for other town/not wanting to accident lynch in small/few numbers in these type of setup.


~H

[Flare Fluff]

town leans

koba -lean town from there post and fluff early game
tris lean town, from there post and fluff early game
margotrosa- lean town, redon vs HPE look like tvt, redon got frustrated bye HPE and left.
HighPrincessErinys the attitude looks like scum town with aggressive attitude. Scum would likely avoid this type of play, so lean town. but very scum town attitude.


scum leans

Ausuka -early day 1 vote, reason cautious, later feels off. there not much scum haunting beside label others as Maybe reads, with out further reason.
Shadow -not much around because busy
Two Level 1 Rogues
(hydra of DragonEater70 & Thomith) tbh this could be scum, with low activity. but more on null/scum



~H

[Flare Fluff]

town leans

koba -lean town from there post and fluff early game
tris lean town, from there post and fluff early game
margotrosa- lean town, redon vs HPE look like tvt, redon got frustrated bye HPE and left.
HighPrincessErinys the attitude looks like scum town with aggressive attitude. Scum would likely avoid this type of play, so lean town. but very scum town attitude.


scum leans

Ausuka -early day 1 vote, reason cautious, later feels off. there not much scum haunting beside label others as Maybe reads, with out further reason.
Shadow -not much around because busy
Two Level 1 Rogues
(hydra of DragonEater70 & Thomith) tbh this could be scum, with low activity. but more on null/scum



~H

I will place Black on scum/null list, for reasons mention earlier. could be town, but eh, need to see more

~H

[Black]

And where do I fit in?

(Also please don't use the "L" word. We say lim or fade or something similar here )

Pedit: oh ok

[Flare Fluff]

And where do I fit in?

(Also please don't use the "L" word. We say lim or fade or something similar here )

Pedit: oh ok

ah sorry, meant vote off

other forum i play at use the l word more

~H

[tris]

ugh. i dont like playing mafia on my phone

[tris]

Is piggybacking somebody inherently scummy?

- Theran

If the player is just going to piggyback without giving their own takes then yes it does look scummy. I don't recall seeing HPE give a single take that is not about wagons. It said it gave takes when it was arguing with Roden. I have read this interaction 3 times and it just looks like they are attacking each other. An interaction like that they had was not helpful for me on getting a read out of that.

- A

Again, if you looked at that argument and couldn't get anything on me or Roden from me picking his push apart in 277, that's kinda on you? Roden argued exclusively in bad faith.

This whole game is so silly at this point, and you going on about whether or not Roden was arguing in bad faith, which scum Roden would never do, is not really helping.

Honestly, all this looks like to me is someone going after the one slot I can be 100% certain is Town, because I am town, with the same argument, and all that does is make me more and more likely to scum read you.

Honestly, this is all a very easy replacement for me, because I haven't needed to move the vote at all lol

why does having an incorrect read mean scum. town push town all thr time

[Two Level 1 Rogues]

Again, maybe it's because I clocked the shadow wagon as a joke, but I do see this as a potentially easy/potentially opportunistic way to jump onto Tris?

I thought tris was being serious with her read, and in that world I feel like it was a scummy read

. I didn't even jump onto tris though so I'm not sure why you are scumreading this

In my mind it did seem like an obvious joke read, which is why I do acknowledge that my view of it could be biased. But because ein my view it was obvious, my mindset is scum could use that opportunisticly for an easy wagon. It was one of those things that felt odd to me in the moment that I couldn't properly explain why at the time.

The bolded is a good point though, and does make me feel better about it than I did originally.

I'm gunna reread it later today to see if 1) I do still feel the same way and 2) to see if other people also reacted similarly than you did that I'm not remembering off hand.

- Theran