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[DeltaWave]

The way I see it is this: there absolutely has to be scum in the 1v1 per the setup rules. Period.

Enchant is gamethrowing either way and could be doing as scum (maybe to avoid associating with their buddy in the 1v1) or less likely, as town. Even so, the 1v1 is a much clearer source of scum than Enchant is. The issue behind the 1v1 is pure game mechanics, e.g. there cannot be two docs in a game. That's clear as day. Whatever Enchant's doing is not as clear. (Do not read this as me defending Enchant in any way, shape, or form. I'm saying that the 1v1 is better for finding scum.)

[Gypyx]

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

How does validation come in to this? Enchant claimed Scum on page 60; they're either scum or gamethrowing. And I'd like to know which as soon as possible so we can either a) win by resolving the 1v1 or b) can stop caring.

they're gamethrowing either way

True, so why not just end it?

Because that's not how you deal with someone trolling you?

[Enchant]

I am not trolling, i didn't even post NM avatar this game once.

[Enchant]

There's only one variant where my actions harm my faction and this variant likelyhood are almost zero.


So i am perfectly content.

[Gypyx]

He's scum. He acts like this as scum.

btw that's bonkers that this is a common occurence for enchant to act like that

i legit don't get it

[Naerys]

The way I see it is this: there absolutely has to be scum in the 1v1 per the setup rules. Period.

Enchant is gamethrowing either way and could be doing as scum (maybe to avoid associating with their buddy in the 1v1) or less likely, as town. Even so, the 1v1 is a much clearer source of scum than Enchant is. The issue behind the 1v1 is pure game mechanics, e.g. there cannot be two docs in a game. That's clear as day. Whatever Enchant's doing is not as clear. (Do not read this as me defending Enchant in any way, shape, or form. I'm saying that the 1v1 is better for finding scum.)

No, Enchant needs to go. Dot.

[Gypyx]

you can just not read whatever he has to say

[biancospino]

Votecount 2.11

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2024-01-22 03:32:58).
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Votecount

Enchant (4):

Naerys, Laplacian, Hu Tao, Enchant

Laplacian (3):

Comical, Gypyx, DeltaWave

Comical (1):

Prince of Paterson

Not Voting (2):

Upwards, lucca261

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to throw someone to the lions.

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[DeltaWave]

I am mafia, i give up.

k. VOTE: Enchant
We get Enchant today so there's guaranteed a doc on Naerys, resolve the 1v1 tomorrow, ggez

Shouldn't you be crusading against the guy that counter-claimed you?

[Prince of Paterson]

My problem is that aside from this whole counter-claim debacle I can't read Lap or Comical as scum. But the unavoidable conclusion is that one has to be. If Comical is scum then they are basically throwing the game, so I'm going with that.

VOTE: Laplacian

I don't care much anymore who we eliminate, as long as Comical dies if Lap is town, but why is it throwing for Comical and not for Lap? Lap CC'd eagerly and earlier than he should have. He didn't need to lock himself into that 1v1 and guarantee his death if he's scum.

[DeltaWave]

My problem is that aside from this whole counter-claim debacle I can't read Lap or Comical as scum. But the unavoidable conclusion is that one has to be. If Comical is scum then they are basically throwing the game, so I'm going with that.

VOTE: Laplacian

I don't care much anymore who we eliminate, as long as Comical dies if Lap is town, but why is it throwing for Comical and not for Lap? Lap CC'd eagerly and earlier than he should have. He didn't need to lock himself into that 1v1 and guarantee his death if he's scum.

I'll re-read that whole interaction when I'm not between meetings but one factor that I've taken note of recently is that Comical is chowing down on Lap (as you would expect from a PR that was counter-claimed) but Lap doesn't have that same aggressiveness. Usually when a legitimate PR is counter-claimed they go nuts on the person who did that.

[Gypyx]

My problem is that aside from this whole counter-claim debacle I can't read Lap or Comical as scum. But the unavoidable conclusion is that one has to be. If Comical is scum then they are basically throwing the game, so I'm going with that.

VOTE: Laplacian

I don't care much anymore who we eliminate, as long as Comical dies if Lap is town, but why is it throwing for Comical and not for Lap? Lap CC'd eagerly and earlier than he should have. He didn't need to lock himself into that 1v1 and guarantee his death if he's scum.

You could also see this as a last-ditch effort for scum!lap to bring comical with them into the grave

[Laplacian]

My problem is that aside from this whole counter-claim debacle I can't read Lap or Comical as scum. But the unavoidable conclusion is that one has to be. If Comical is scum then they are basically throwing the game, so I'm going with that.

VOTE: Laplacian

I don't care much anymore who we eliminate, as long as Comical dies if Lap is town, but why is it throwing for Comical and not for Lap? Lap CC'd eagerly and earlier than he should have. He didn't need to lock himself into that 1v1 and guarantee his death if he's scum.

I'll re-read that whole interaction when I'm not between meetings but one factor that I've taken note of recently is that Comical is chowing down on Lap (as you would expect from a PR that was counter-claimed) but Lap doesn't have that same aggressiveness. Usually when a legitimate PR is counter-claimed they go nuts on the person who did that.

Was super busy yesterday (first day of classes) and did not have the energy to respond to Comical's four thousand posts in one day. Enchant said they're scum, and the 1v1 wins us the game either order. As far as I'm concerned, I don't have to try anymore, town win is inevitable.

But notice when Comical began pushing on me. Enchant, who as of pg 60 said they're scum, was the obvious vote leader, probably having 24 hours left or so before someone hammered. Comical sees scumbud in peril and town doing good at 2v8, and decides I'm the next easiest wagon to get going. They throw everything at the wall, going full quantity of post over quality of evidence, even including a fakeclaim to try to get anything to stick on me and divert attention away from Enchant. The timing is perfect for that, but he didn't expect the CC into 1v1 with a guaranteed scum because of the simple normal rules

[Laplacian]

Note that the inevitable town win is assuming Enchant's scum claim isn't gamethrowing town. If it is, then I'm also not going to try because the game is broken and idgaf

[Laplacian]

My problem is that aside from this whole counter-claim debacle I can't read Lap or Comical as scum. But the unavoidable conclusion is that one has to be. If Comical is scum then they are basically throwing the game, so I'm going with that.

VOTE: Laplacian

I don't care much anymore who we eliminate, as long as Comical dies if Lap is town, but why is it throwing for Comical and not for Lap? Lap CC'd eagerly and earlier than he should have. He didn't need to lock himself into that 1v1 and guarantee his death if he's scum.

Made that exact point in 1464. If I'm scum, my play is suicidal af. Comical is just getting all the attention because 50% of the posts in the last 10 pages are him desperately flailing. He tried a gambit to save Enchant, it backfired hard.

[Enchant]

You caught us.........................................................................................

Our plan to sacrifice more powerful player to let me, Enchant, be deep wolf.


It was perfect plan WHICH IS RUINED.

[Hu Tao]

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

^^^^^^^^^

He does this as scum to get people to town read him.

[Gypyx]

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

let's not validate whatever enchant's pulling right now pls

^^^^^^^^^

He does this as scum to get people to town read him.

i hate it

[Hu Tao]

Both docs should be on naerys who is conf town. So we keep her alive. This is why we don't go in docs today. Then we go enchant today.

[Gypyx]

what's the benefit of leaving naerys alive for tomorow tho

[Laplacian]

what's the benefit of leaving naerys alive for tomorow tho

Confirmed town means less vote options. Bonus points for flygon avatar.

[Naerys]

what's the benefit of leaving naerys alive for tomorow tho

[Gypyx]

what's the benefit of leaving naerys alive for tomorow tho

<3

[Prince of Paterson]

Having fewer vote options doesn't matter if we're resolving the 1v1.

[Enchant]

Aren't we instawin by finding mafia outside?

... You know that mafia member you need to hunt after 1vs1 anyway?