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[Pavowski]

Bloop

[Flavor Leaf]

Wanna fade Hu Tao and blame it on Black if they’re town?

Not blaming a damn thing on Black for at least 24 hours, we did her dirty

nah, a misfade late in the game isn't doing someone dirty, especially after the day we had yesterday. More of a testament to scum team.

-1 to Pav.

[Pavowski]

Wanna fade Hu Tao and blame it on Black if they’re town?

Not blaming a damn thing on Black for at least 24 hours, we did her dirty

nah, a misfade late in the game isn't doing someone dirty, especially after the day we had yesterday. More of a testament to scum team.

-1 to Pav.

You misunderstand

I'm saying she came in as town and gave it a go, if we misyeet Hu Tao today we can hardly blame that on Black

[Pavowski]

Fmpov, obviously, it's in purple/gera/hu tao if Dragon is legit, but shit, that wifom is brutal, like it's already hurting my head and I'm not thinking all that hard about it yet

I'm probably a lot more ready to vote either gera/purple before either hu tao or dragon right now. I tend to agree with you, Dragon has worked too hard for it

Well I mean obviously I'm ready to vote purple

Maybe we yeet Geraint first, maybe that gives us more to go on? Damn...

[Pavowski]

I guess I need to get rid of the idea of "first", we bollocks it up here we're just about cooked

[Hu Tao]

RN kill does lean towards scum in Hu Tao/Dragon, though

Really? I think RN kill is the obvious move for scum last night regardless of who it is

Why

[Flavor Leaf]

Pavowski	0		Started at +1 thanks to the game we've had.
Hu Tao	-1		Been thinking they were scum a lot of the game, Black Town flip puts them at a -1 here.
DragonEater	+1		There's a lot of things that have to be true for Dragon to be scum, and I just don't believe they're all happening. An Intangible and amount of effort puts them +1.
PurpleHeart	-1		2 Votes this game. 2 Hammers. Sitting in back.
Geraint	-1		Sussed out Pavowski/Purple. Have seen some town stuff, but the way they vote is possible to protect a partner, not positive, though.

[Purplemango]

Fmpov, obviously, it's in purple/gera/hu tao if Dragon is legit, but shit, that wifom is brutal, like it's already hurting my head and I'm not thinking all that hard about it yet

I'm probably a lot more ready to vote either gera/purple before either hu tao or dragon right now. I tend to agree with you, Dragon has worked too hard for it

Well I mean obviously I'm ready to vote purple

Maybe we yeet Geraint first, maybe that gives us more to go on? Damn...

For obvious reasons, I would prefer to vote for Gera from the options you mentioned, even regardless of what you said, I don't understand their behavior and they're pretty scummy
But that would be a lot less funny, so maybe hu tao is better

[Flavor Leaf]

Day 1

Spoiler:

1.1

DragonEater70 (1)

- geraintm

Flavor Leaf (1)

- Pavowski

Hu Tao (1)

-

Thomith

Not Voting (10)

-

Abnegation

,

cw357

, DragonEater70,

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao,

Laplacian

,

Gamma Emerald

, Purplemango,

ssbm_Kyouko

1.2

Flavor Leaf (3)

- Pavowski,

Flavor Leaf

,

cw357

Pavowski (2) -

Thomith

,

Laplacian

Abnegation (1)

-

Abnegation

DragonEater70 (1)

- geraintm

Laplacian (1)

-

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (5)

- DragonEater70,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao,

Gamma Emerald

, Purplemango

1.3

Laplacian (4)

-

ssbm_kyouko

,

Abnegation

, Pavowski,

HighPrincessErinys

Flavor Leaf (2)

-

Flavor Leaf

,

cw357

Abnegation (1)

-

Laplacian

cw357

(1)

-

Gamma Emerald

DragonEater70 (1)

- geraintm

HighPrincessErinys

(1)

- DragonEater70

Not Voting (3)

- Hu Tao, Purplemango,

Thomith

1.4

Laplacian (5)

-

ssbm_kyouko

,

Abnegation

, Pavowski,

HighPrincessErinys

, geraintm

HighPrincessErinys

(3)

- Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70

Flavor Leaf (1)

-

cw357

Abnegation (1)

-

Laplacian

cw357

(1)

-

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2)

- Purplemango,

Thomith

1.5

Laplacian (5)

-

ssbm_kyouko

,

Abnegation

, Pavowski,

HighPrincessErinys

, geraintm

Abnegation (2)

- DragonEater70,

Flavor Leaf

Gamma Emerald

(2)

-

cw357

, Hu Tao

cw357 (1)

-

Gamma Emerald

HighPrincessErinys

(1)

-

Laplacian

Not Voting (2)

- Purplemango,

Thomith

1.6

Laplacian (7)

-

ssbm_kyouko

,

Abnegation

, Pavowski,

HighPrincessErinys

, geraintm, DragonEater70,

Flavor Leaf

Gamma Emerald

(2)

-

cw357

, Hu Tao

cw357 (1)

-

Gamma Emerald

HighPrincessErinys

(1)

-

Laplacian

Not Voting (2)

- Purplemango,

Thomith

Day 2

Spoiler:

2.1

cw357

(2)

-

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

Flavor Leaf

(1)

-

cw357

geraintm (1)

-

Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(1)

- Hu Tao

Pavowski (1)

- DragonEater70

Not Voting (4)

- geraintm, Pavowski, Purplemango,

ssbm_Kyouko

2.2

cw357

(4) - DragonEater70,

cw357

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao
geraintm (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (5) -

Flavor Leaf

, geraintm, Pavowski[, Purplemango,

ssbm_Kyouko

2.3

cw357

(3) -

cw357

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao
geraintm (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Pavowski (1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko

(2) -

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Pavowski, Purplemango

2.4

cw357 (1) - cw357

geraintm (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Pavowski (1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko

(4) -

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70,

HighPrincessErinys

, Pavowski

Not Voting (3) - geraintm, Purplemango, Hu Tao

2.5

cw357 (1) - cw357

geraintm (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Pavowski (1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (3) -

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Pavowski

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Purplemango, Hu Tao, DragonEater70

2.6

cw357 (1) - cw357

ssbm_Kyouko

(4) -

Flavor Leaf,

HighPrincessErinys

, Pavowski, Hu Tao

HighPrincessErinys

(1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Purplemango, DragonEater70,

Gamma Emerald

2.7

ssbm_Kyouko

(4) -

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao,

cw357

HighPrincessErinys

(1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

cw357 (1) - Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Purplemango, DragonEater70, Pavowski

2.8

ssbm_Kyouko

(4) -

Flavor Leaf

, HighPrincessErinys, Hu Tao,

cw357

HighPrincessErinys

(1) -

ssbm_Kyouko

Gamma Emerald

(1) - DragonEater70

Not Voting (4) - geraintm, Purplemango, Pavowski,

Gamma Emerald

2.9

ssbm_Kyouko

(5) -

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Hu Tao, Pavowski,

cw357

Gamma Emerald (2) - DragonEater70,

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (3) - geraintm, Purplemango,

Gamma Emerald

2.10

ssbm_Kyouko

(6) -

Flavor Leaf

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Pavowski, Hu Tao,

cw357, Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald

(2) - DragonEater70,

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (3) - geraintm, Purplemango

Day 3

Spoiler:

3.1

DragonEater70 (1) -

Flavor Leaf

geraintm (1) -

HighPrincessErinys

HighPrincessErinys

(1) - DragonEater70

Not Voting (6) -

cw357, Gamma Emerald

, geraintm, Hu Tao, Pavowski, Purplemango

3.2

cw357

(1) - Pavowski
DragonEater70 (1) -

Flavor Leaf

geraintm (1) -

HighPrincessErinys

HighPrincessErinys

(1) -

DragonEater70

Pavowski (1) -

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (4) -

cw357

, geraintm, Hu Tao, Purplemango

3.3

HighPrincessErinys

(5) - DragonEater70, Hu Tao,

Gamma Emerald

,

Flavor Leaf

, Purplemango

cw357

(1) - Pavowski
geraintm (1) -

HighPrincessErinys

Not Voting (2) -

cw357

, geraintm

Day 4

Spoiler:

4.2

Pavowski (2) -

Gamma Emerald

, DragonEater70
DragonEater70 (1) -

Flavor Leaf

geraintm (1) - Hu Tao

Not Voting (4) -

cw357

, geraintm, Pavowski, Purplemango

4.3

Pavowski (2) - DragonEater70, Flavor Leaf
DragonEater70 (2) -

Gamma Emerald, cw357

geraintm (1) - Hu Tao

Not Voting (3) - geraintm, Pavowski, Purplemango

4.4

DragonEater70 (2) -

cw357, Flavor Leaf

Pavowski (2) - DragonEater70, Hu Tao
Hu Tao (1) - geraintm
Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (2) - Pavowski, Purplemango

4.5

Hu Tao (2) -

Gamma Emerald, Flavor Leaf

cw357

(1) - DragonEater70
DragonEater70 (1) -

cw357

Pavowski (1) - Hu Tao
Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (2) - Pavowski, Purplemango

4.6

Hu Tao (2) -

Gamma Emerald

, Pavowski
Purplemango (2) - geraintm,

Flavor Leaf

cw357

(1) - DragonEater70
DragonEater70 (1) -

cw357

Pavowski (1) - Hu Tao

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.7

DragonEater70 (2) -

cw357, Flavor Leaf

Pavowski (2) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (1) - Pavowski
Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (2) -

Gamma Emerald

, Purplemango

4.8

Hu Tao (4) - Pavowski,

Gamma Emerald, Flavor Leaf, Random Nurse

Pavowski (2) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70
Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.9

Pavowski (3) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70, geraintm
Hu Tao (2) -

Gamma Emerald, Random Nurse

Not Voting (3) - Flavor Leaf, Pavowski, Purplemango

4.10

Pavowski (3) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70, geraintm
Hu Tao (3) -

Gamma Emerald, Random Nurse, Flavor Leaf

Not Voting (2) - Pavowski, Purplemango

4.11

Pavowski (3) - Hu Tao, DragonEater70, geraintm
Hu Tao (2) -

Gamma Emerald, Random Nurse

geraintm (1) -

Flavor Leaf

Not Voting (2) - Pavowski, Purplemango

4.12

Pavowski (2) - DragonEater70, geraintm

Black

(2) - Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

DragonEater70 (1) -

Black

Hu Tao (1) -

Random Nurse

Purplemango (1) - Pavowski

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.13

Black

(3) - Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (2) -

Random Nurse, Black

Purplemango (2) - Pavowski, geraintm

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.14

Black

(3) - Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70
Hu Tao (2) -

Random Nurse, Black

Purplemango (2) - Pavowski, geraintm

Not Voting (1) - Purplemango

4.15

Black (5) - Hu Tao,

Flavor Leaf

, DragonEater70, Pavowski, Purplemango
Hu Tao (2) -

Random Nurse, Black

Purplemango (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (0)

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, if you look at the Day 4 wagons, there are multiple time periods when there are 3 Green on Hu Tao. There was 4 on Hu Tao at one point, Me, CW, and Gamma Emerald, with Pav first, and Pav unvotes.

My current solve is Hu Tao and Pav.

[Flavor Leaf]

#2

Pavowski	-2		The combination of when pressure came about and how it halted felt like it was directly from Pavowski. The game was on a giant stand still when they unvoted, but when they voted Hu Tao, Hu Tao got to 4 votes. When they voted Gamma/Black, Black got faded. Not a good look.
Hu Tao	-3		Black's flip, in addition to CW slot, makes so many of the wagons on Hu Tao all town, or all town dominated. They also fit as bussing HPE. Day 3 happening significantly faster than Day 2/4 means scum didn't fight HPE too hard, and likely are on HPE. I think this is Hu Tao over Dragon/Purple
DragonEater	+1		There's a lot of things that have to be true for Dragon to be scum, and I just don't believe they're all happening. An Intangible and amount of effort puts them +1.
PurpleHeart	0		2 Votes this game. 2 Hammers. Sitting in back. I think the differences between Even Days vs Odd don't sit right with
Geraint	-1		Sussed out Pavowski/Purple. Have seen some town stuff, but the way they vote is possible to protect a partner, not positive, though. Geraint could be just super off, but I haven't felt comfortable with them all game.
Current Solve:	Hu Tao & Pavowski

[Flavor Leaf]

It was the Double Shadow Operation, or DSO for short.

Hu Tao played shadowing Dragon. Pav played shadowing Flavor.

[Flavor Leaf]

It also explains why Dragon doesnt die in place of me.

[DragonEater70]

I'm not going to complain about you guys hammering Black while I was asleep. I'm mainly disappointed in myself that I went to sleep without unvoting her, because I think she had some really obvious towntells and if I cared a bit more I'd found them in time.

But honestly I really don't have any WIM left for this game. I was already burnt out the previous day phase.

So I am not going to spend a lot of effort defending myself or Hu Tao today, nor convincing people of my solve. I just want this game over.

Anyhow, judging by the final VC, I am 90% sure the scumteam is exactly Pav/Purple.

VOTE: Pav

Dragon over here talking like Black isn't already gift wrapped lol

Yeah, I woke up, saw a bunch of new pages, started responding to them and suddenly the thread got locked. But as I said, it's wholly my fault for not unvoting.

[DragonEater70]

It was the Double Shadow Operation, or DSO for short.

Hu Tao played shadowing Dragon. Pav played shadowing Flavor.

Interesting

Let's kill Pav and you vig whoever you want out of Hu Tao / Purple. I won't jail you.

[Flavor Leaf]

It was the Double Shadow Operation, or DSO for short.

Hu Tao played shadowing Dragon. Pav played shadowing Flavor.

Interesting

Let's kill Pav and you vig whoever you want out of Hu Tao / Purple. I won't jail you.

Imma go Hu Tao for Black

[Flavor Leaf]

Why does Pav try to go for Purple that last section of the day then? Feel like Purple easily could have gotten.

I’m really not confident in Purple being scum here, nor Pav with anyone else besides Hu Tao at this point.

[Flavor Leaf]

Convince me.

This is endgame and when you should be trying MORE to convince that is the case.

If you think that’s the solve, CONVINCE ME. If you are right, we need to come to it together.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you are judging by final vote counts,

Hu Tao hands down is the worst by far by VCA

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Flavor Leaf]

How do you look at VC 4.10 and say the scum team is Purple/Pav?

[Flavor Leaf]

-1 to DragonEater. +1 to Pav.

[DragonEater70]

Convince me.

This is endgame and when you should be trying MORE to convince that is the case.

If you think that’s the solve, CONVINCE ME. If you are right, we need to come to it together.

I really don't have the energy to

Like honestly, I am exhausted of this game. I am not even sure my read on Hu Tao is correct, though I want it to be.

And like I am going to take a 3 month break from playing mafia (not modding though, I love modding) after this game. In all seriousness.

But I'll try to convince you anyway:

I don't even know how to articulate my thoughts. I have a soul read on Hu Tao and I don't feel she's pocketing me. She pocketed me in her last scum game and it was a different vibe.

I am not sure why you townread HT last day phase, but after scumreading her for most of the phase you suddenly had her as a top TR. I feel that's telling of her alignment because I know how you guys tend to interact as T/T, and it feels the same (see: Mafia Have a Cop, Classic Commercials).

[DragonEater70]

How do you look at VC 4.10 and say the scum team is Purple/Pav?

Easily?

[DragonEater70]

The entire day yesterday was a lot of TvT which Pav and Purple both coasted through.

Then we finally settled on Black, and Pav said "cool there are actually enough votes for this lim", and voted, and told Purple to hammer in the scum PT.