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[Laplacian]

Since I'm happy with either of them being voted

[Comical]

I think Upwards is just a poor townie who got caught up in my obsessiveness kicking in. I was wild all over then I went dark for a few days site wide.

[Comical]

Pop said they’d eliminate end of day, i think we just sit it out.

At least we’ll know for sure with Delta.

[Laplacian]

I think Upwards is just a poor townie who got caught up in my obsessiveness kicking in. I was wild all over then I went dark for a few days site wide.

I mean, crazy gambits on a mafia forum are probably the safest kind of bender you can go on.

[Upwards]

Is this day still going? Had some really bad timing with having no time to play it turns out, but now I’m back. Gonna read the new stuff now.

[Prince of Paterson]

Two of those three players have been adamant in getting Delta off. In fact, they are vote 1 and vote 2 on that wagon.

If you are not voting Upwards, the only other possible lim at this stage, you are killing Delta indirectly and supporting a wagon straight up created by both of those players. (because if we get close to the deadline, I'll just hammer Delta)

Doesn't really matter to me, I think both are town.

[Naerys]

Next day lim should be in lucca/gypyx

[lucca261]

Is this day still going? Had some really bad timing with having no time to play it turns out, but now I’m back. Gonna read the new stuff now.

1h30 until the end of the day

[lucca261]

Two of those three players have been adamant in getting Delta off. In fact, they are vote 1 and vote 2 on that wagon.

If you are not voting Upwards, the only other possible lim at this stage, you are killing Delta indirectly and supporting a wagon straight up created by both of those players. (because if we get close to the deadline, I'll just hammer Delta)

Doesn't really matter to me, I think both are town.

so the only vote you're concerned with is Gyp?

[Prince of Paterson]

I think Upwards and Delta are both town. I'm concerned by the Comical and Hu Tao votes. Unsure on Gypyx

[lucca261]

sorry btw if you're town Upwards

but anyway you did say you didn't want to be pitied for being a newbie and all

[Prince of Paterson]

actually the fact you just grabbed a random VC is kinda weird mate

I was considering Upwards and nearly voted but I remembered the wagon on him earlier and wanted to check who voted there.

[Prince of Paterson]

VOTE: Upwards

[Upwards]

sorry btw if you're town Upwards

but anyway you did say you didn't want to be pitied for being a newbie and all

Yea sure if you think it’s likely I’m Scum absolutely consider to vote me, there’s no fun in playing with players that don’t do what they think is their best move.

[Naerys]

No, dont switch to upwards…

[DragonEater70]

Votecount 2.17

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2024-01-22 03:32:58).

Combined mod ISO.

Votecount

DeltaWave (5):

Hu Tao, Comical, Naerys, Laplacian, Enchant

Upwards (3):

lucca261, DeltaWave, Prince of Paterson

Not Voting (2):

Upwards, Gypyx

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to throw someone to the lions.

[Upwards]

I think Upwards and Delta are both town. I'm concerned by the Comical and Hu Tao votes. Unsure on Gypyx

VOTE: Upwards

Have to say this doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me either

[lucca261]

Even if he thinks you're town, creating a counterwagon eliminates the "Delta was the only option, so I had to vote her, sorry" argument

[Enchant]

Even if he thinks you're town, creating a counterwagon eliminates the "Delta was the only option, so I had to vote her, sorry" argument

Hammer.

[lucca261]

In 18 minutes.

Who's around?

[Upwards]

45-7

Spoiler:

I don't really think that Enchant - Upwards on this page is TvT honestly. @1111 feels incredibly aggressive when Upwards did not really play like that the whole game. In fact, I think felt like he faked the aggression after being questioned by Gyp on Enchant. (which I can see him doing as town, btw).
And Enchant had his first game determinative post of the game. The fact it was after questioning by Upwards of all people is weird.

It not only feels that way, it really is unusually aggressive for my standards and I meant every word. For the simple reason that I realized that I won’t make progress here otherwise.

Now that you’re back, I’d still be interested in the answer you promised in 1006. As well as elaborating on your 1209if you will.

I don't remember exactly the details, but the E-1 situation for me:

• HT offering to quickhammer is NAI for me. People just like to hammer and it was clearly a bluff. She made the threat against both Margot/Gamma, but the fact that she got cold feet with a scum player already off the wagon? Yeah I do not see a huge problem.
  
• Delta putting Gamma at E-1 after criticizing HT for a possible quickhammer is a little scummy, sure. But it's policy here on MafiaScum (or at least it was) to wait for intent and I think Delta respects HT as a player to know she's not going to hammer without intent, even after the threat. Delta's argument that no one would expect Gamma to hammer herself has credence even if Delta's scum. I really do not think that Delta!scum would put Gamma at E-1 thinking she was going to hammer herself.

Now, answer me this.
You like to talk a lot about D1. Have you had any reads that changed during the night? Specifically between the Gamma flip and the start of the day? Something that caught your eye during the night?

"Just like to hammer" doesn’t sound like a great strategy, and Hu Tao didn’t answer to my question about this being a bluff or not. What’s your argument exactly with Margot as Scum defending Gamma? At that point only Scum knew Margots role, so if Hu is town I don’t see how this becomes relevant in hindsight.

And while I agree that Gamma eliminating herself was strange, I feel like that just distracts from what was really going on, namely two players not doing what they said they’d do.

Granted, D2 blew everything out of the water in that regards anyways as I’ve to acknowledge now…

To answer your question: Not in the night as game phase. But sure, I’ve made the thoughts I’ve shared at the beginning of D2 after the Gamma flip.

[Hu Tao]

Upwards can you hammer?

[Naerys]

Yes, hammer please

[Upwards]

As for my vote:

I lean more town on Enchant now following the reasoning that is behavior is slightly less crazy as Town than as Scum.

That still leaves me with Delta, Hu Tao and Comical as my three most suspicious reads at this point. And out of those, Scum!Comical would be the biggest threat, since he clearly has some kind of 4D Chess plan that I’m not fully getting. Also not a fan of him coming in calling me super fake only to townlean on me now with the only reason given being that he hadn’t realized I’m new when he made the first statement, after I had asked for clarification on Mucho Mans unreasonable arguments against me.

Since there’s only my and Deltas wagon left though, and I don’t wanna hammer when I’m the counterwagon, I’ll say that I really like PoPs and Luccas argument here.

VOTE: Upwards

[Naerys]

What?