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[Hu Tao]

Come on... why?

[Naerys]

What are you doing…

[Naerys]

If you are town, vote delta

[Hu Tao]

As for my vote:

I lean more town on Enchant now following the reasoning that is behavior is slightly less crazy as Town than as Scum.

That still leaves me with Delta, Hu Tao and Comical as my three most suspicious reads at this point. And out of those, Scum!Comical would be the biggest threat, since he clearly has some kind of 4D Chess plan that I’m not fully getting. Also not a fan of him coming in calling me super fake only to townlean on me now with the only reason given being that he hadn’t realized I’m new when he made the first statement, after I had asked for clarification on Mucho Mans unreasonable arguments against me.

Since there’s only my and Deltas wagon left though, and I don’t wanna hammer when I’m the counterwagon, I’ll say that I really like PoPs and Luccas argument here.

VOTE: Upwards

If you suspect delta just vote delta. Who cares if you're the counter

[lucca261]

VOTE: Delta

[Gypyx]

rip

[Naerys]

Thanks.

[lucca261]

45-7

Spoiler:

I don't really think that Enchant - Upwards on this page is TvT honestly. @1111 feels incredibly aggressive when Upwards did not really play like that the whole game. In fact, I think felt like he faked the aggression after being questioned by Gyp on Enchant. (which I can see him doing as town, btw).
And Enchant had his first game determinative post of the game. The fact it was after questioning by Upwards of all people is weird.

It not only feels that way, it really is unusually aggressive for my standards and I meant every word. For the simple reason that I realized that I won’t make progress here otherwise.

Now that you’re back, I’d still be interested in the answer you promised in 1006. As well as elaborating on your 1209if you will.

I don't remember exactly the details, but the E-1 situation for me:

• HT offering to quickhammer is NAI for me. People just like to hammer and it was clearly a bluff. She made the threat against both Margot/Gamma, but the fact that she got cold feet with a scum player already off the wagon? Yeah I do not see a huge problem.
  
• Delta putting Gamma at E-1 after criticizing HT for a possible quickhammer is a little scummy, sure. But it's policy here on MafiaScum (or at least it was) to wait for intent and I think Delta respects HT as a player to know she's not going to hammer without intent, even after the threat. Delta's argument that no one would expect Gamma to hammer herself has credence even if Delta's scum. I really do not think that Delta!scum would put Gamma at E-1 thinking she was going to hammer herself.

Now, answer me this.
You like to talk a lot about D1. Have you had any reads that changed during the night? Specifically between the Gamma flip and the start of the day? Something that caught your eye during the night?

"Just like to hammer" doesn’t sound like a great strategy, and Hu Tao didn’t answer to my question about this being a bluff or not. What’s your argument exactly with Margot as Scum defending Gamma? At that point only Scum knew Margots role, so if Hu is town I don’t see how this becomes relevant in hindsight.

And while I agree that Gamma eliminating herself was strange, I feel like that just distracts from what was really going on, namely two players not doing what they said they’d do.

Granted, D2 blew everything out of the water in that regards anyways as I’ve to acknowledge now…

To answer your question: Not in the night as game phase. But sure, I’ve made the thoughts I’ve shared at the beginning of D2 after the Gamma flip.

On a situation as D1, the only way I see Hu Tao being afraid of hammering Gamma, if she was scum, is if all three maf were on the wagon. It was an easy hammer and wouldn't be held against her.

As we know Margot was a scum player off the wagon, I don't see the possible fake-out hammer as something that HT would've done with a scum motivation.

Why are you assuming Hu Tao is town on this example? I'm considering her alignment as both town or maf. It seems you aren't considering Hu Tao possibly being mafia on your thought process

[Enchant]

How silly you must be to selfvote?

Pfft.

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Gypyx

anyways ummm good night everyone

[lucca261]

there isn't any motivation for a self-vote on that situation other than 'scoring town points' by the way

[lucca261]

but good night

[Upwards]

Now I understand what you’re saying. I was wondering actually the same thing about you - in reverse - because it read to me like you didn’t consider the possibility of her being town in that argument. This depends on if you take before or after N1 as point of discussion though.

[lucca261]

there isn't any motivation for a self-vote on that situation other than 'scoring town points' by the way

which also can come from town on a situation in which Upwards is being wagoned late D2

[Upwards]

there isn't any motivation for a self-vote on that situation other than 'scoring town points' by the way

I’d argue there’s a whole lot more of motivation behind it. But nothing I’d talk about right now.

[lucca261]

Now I understand what you’re saying. I was wondering actually the same thing about you - in reverse - because it read to me like you didn’t consider the possibility of her being town in that argument. This depends on if you take before or after N1 as point of discussion though.

I mean the argument only stands if Hu Tao is scum, right? If she's town, the fact that she didn't hammer is just... a fact. There's no nefarious motivation/hidden agenda there. So there's no argument. The only way the hammer situation is worth talking about is if you're analyzing it from a scum!Hu Tao perspective, don't you think?

[DragonEater70]

Votecount 2.18

Combined mod ISO.

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DeltaWave (6):

Hu Tao, Comical, Naerys, Laplacian, Enchant, lucca261

Upwards (3):

DeltaWave, Prince of Paterson, Upwards

Not Voting (1):

Gypyx

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to throw someone to the lions.

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[DragonEater70]

DeltaWave has been munched on by lions! She was a

Mafia Goon

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Mafia Goon

Welcome, DeltaWave! You are a

Mafia Goon

.

Your mafia partners are [REDACTED]. You may talk to them here.

Your faction has a factional kill ability. Each night, you or one of your partners may attempt to kill a town-aligned player.

You win if the mafia controls 50% of the votes, or if nothing can prevent this.

Please confirm by replying with your role and alignment, or by posting in the scum PT.

Night 2 starts now and will end in (expired on 2024-01-24 03:16:43). Please do not forget to send me your night actions.

[DragonEater70]

Nobody died during the night!

[DragonEater70]

Votecount 3.00

Day 3 Starts. It will end in (expired on 2024-02-03 03:46:33).

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Not Voting (9):

Upwards, Hu Tao, Naerys, Comical, lucca261, Laplacian, Prince of Paterson, Gypyx, Enchant

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to yeet someone into the sun.

flavor

Flavor Here.

[Gypyx]

DeltaWave has been munched on by lions! She was a

Mafia Goon

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Mafia Goon

Welcome, DeltaWave! You are a

Mafia Goon

.

Your mafia partners are [REDACTED]. You may talk to them here.

Your faction has a factional kill ability. Each night, you or one of your partners may attempt to kill a town-aligned player.

You win if the mafia controls 50% of the votes, or if nothing can prevent this.

Please confirm by replying with your role and alignment, or by posting in the scum PT.

Night 2 starts now and will end in (expired on 2024-01-24 03:16:43). Please do not forget to send me your night actions.

yeah idk, guess i'll shut up

Who were you on Lapla?

[Naerys]

VOTE: Lucca
If its not lucca it is gypyx

[Gypyx]

VOTE: Lucca
If its not lucca it is gypyx

can i do one (1) light doubt around this statement please

[Comical]

Nobody died during the night!

[Naerys]

VOTE: Lucca
If its not lucca it is gypyx

can i do one (1) light doubt around this statement please

Sure