Open 901 - Normal Idea Mafia Redux - Postgame

[JacksonVirgo]

Considering the reason you unvoted

[JacksonVirgo]

i'm still unsure i want to vote out skygazer

i think scum is unlikely to make that claim. it's possible but seems rather unlikely. i also kinda liked her day 1 play

I don't want skygazer either but this logic is awful, their claim is NAI at best.

[JacksonVirgo]

To me it feels like she doesn't really know how to believably seem like she's solving the game in the current game state. There are no signs of sky's town games here. No partner theories, no firm stances, no questioning people, no analyzing behaviors or posts or anything. There are no critical thoughts about the game

Are you saying she consistently does absolutely nothing as a wolf?

[Black]

VOTE: Sky

e-1 again

Does that mean you're okay with a hammer now?

Yeah. I wouldn't mind if we waited a couple more days but I talked myself into thinking sky is by far the best fade today and I'm a little worried her wagon might stall or people might move elsewhere

[Black]

To me it feels like she doesn't really know how to believably seem like she's solving the game in the current game state. There are no signs of sky's town games here. No partner theories, no firm stances, no questioning people, no analyzing behaviors or posts or anything. There are no critical thoughts about the game

Are you saying she consistently does absolutely nothing as a wolf?

Nah, I think she's capable of doing stuff as a wolf. I just think it comes more naturally and more frequently when she's town

[JacksonVirgo]

but lack of activity these past few days have forced the hand of the members of scum to leave the wagon to make sure their buddy is not limmed.

Yeah, I'm mafia and I'm trying to get the votes all off my buddies wagon. Can you help pretty please?

[JacksonVirgo]

JV up to page five seems p townie

not to say they're not townie after page 5

i just got to page 5

Not sure how I feel about this looking back, it feels like it was a "oh shit I just said that, gotta clarify" type of panic which pings me a little bit but it could also just be them just casually wanting to clarify. Not sure

I would like to slay the three-headed hydra for the crime of using their roleplay to obfuscate their reads and the identities of the heads. I don't mind prose in small doses, but I'm having too much trouble understanding what the fuck they're even saying and I can't keep track of who's saying what. Plus some of their posts are literally just roleplay filler and I can't just skim their posts to find out what's worth reading and what's just for fun.

I originally voted Passion for the same thing, but I feel like as the Day has progressed that she's putting in effort to keep the roleplay concise and keep the content flowing and easy to read.

i *think* this feels like a town post

This is the post which holds the most of the skygazer TR in my eyes. I don't think scum!gazer would be reluctant to label somebody as Town, in fact I would say it's incredibly unlikely this post ever comes from scum!gazer. It feels almost completely pure of heart, I don't really know how to explain it beyond that. I commented on it at the time as well saying how townie it is and I was aiming to look back at this post in particular when I said I was going to ISO dive to see if my thoughts changed on it but it hasn't

i rlly wanna lolhammer in honor of our fallen miltank hero

jv i hope this isn't a repeat of your large normal fakeclaim situation lol

i actually find JV townie here idk

This though, maybe not that last post I quoted but idk this does feel off considering the action had actually failed. Shadow responded in this way too (in regards to that same game) but that felt like he believed in the result but was scared I did one. This feels different. This feels like they're trying to make a point(?), I will try and think on that to see what I don't like about it.

Overall: I think gazer is town still, but if people are confident I don't mind them going out. I have some paranoia around it for lack of a better term

[Save The Dragons]

Sky is either scum true claiming neighbor or town true claiming

Lying about being a neighbor lends yourself to a potential counter claim

I would guess there are more town neighbor roles than scum neighbor roles but I could be wrong about that, haven't counted

[JacksonVirgo]

Sky is either scum true claiming neighbor or town true claiming

Lying about being a neighbor lends yourself to a potential counter claim

I would guess there are more town neighbor roles than scum neighbor roles but I could be wrong about that, haven't counted

Yes, that's why their claim does not matter. There's exactly 3 town neighbours and 3 evil neighbours

[Black]

Sky is either scum true claiming neighbor or town true claiming

Lying about being a neighbor lends yourself to a potential counter claim

I would guess there are more town neighbor roles than scum neighbor roles but I could be wrong about that, haven't counted

Neighbor seems like a great fake claim for scum here actually. Thanks for pointing that out

[JacksonVirgo]

Neighbor seems like a great fake claim for scum here actually. Thanks for pointing that out

Now that feels like conf-bias

[Black]

Could be

Shit haunts me

What sucks is I know it's a problem I have but my brain still tells me I've found more evidence every time

[JacksonVirgo]

What sucks is I know it's a problem I have but my brain still tells me I've found more evidence every time

Literally same, I'll humour you though. What makes you feel it's a great fake-claim for scum?

[Save The Dragons]

Well I did not know that

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean the amount of neighbours doesn't really matter. They claimed it, therefore it's a true-claim no matter what excluding a gambit which makes it NAI.

[JacksonVirgo]

Just due to the nature of the role itself

[Save The Dragons]

It does matter odds wise but I'm not willing to fight this further

[Argonauts]

but lack of activity these past few days have forced the hand of the members of scum to leave the wagon to make sure their buddy is not limmed.

Yeah, I'm mafia and I'm trying to get the votes all off my buddies wagon. Can you help pretty please?

K thanks for admitting it

Cakez, feel free to shoot this guy tonight. Or shaddowez.

-Atalanta

[JacksonVirgo]

It does matter odds wise but I'm not willing to fight this further

I mean the odds don't matter to any reasonable degree because the chance is so low either way and doesn't really change anything of value one way or another. It's just like a traitor game, like the chance exists but it doesn't really matter either way. You just acknowledge the chance of it and move on and make your arguments as you would. Black seeing scum in skygazers claim is just like you seeing town in skygazers claim. It's simply just a reflection of how you both are feeling about her more than the claim itself.

[JacksonVirgo]

but lack of activity these past few days have forced the hand of the members of scum to leave the wagon to make sure their buddy is not limmed.

Yeah, I'm mafia and I'm trying to get the votes all off my buddies wagon. Can you help pretty please?

K thanks for admitting it

Cakez, feel free to shoot this guy tonight. Or shaddowez. :mrgreen:

-Atalanta

I await the mighty bullet

[Argonauts]

Sky is either scum true claiming neighbor or town true claiming

Lying about being a neighbor lends yourself to a potential counter claim

I would guess there are more town neighbor roles than scum neighbor roles but I could be wrong about that, haven't counted

Yes, that's why their claim does not matter. There's exactly 3 town neighbours and 3 evil neighbours

Actually the odds of drawing a neighbor role as town or scum are different. It depends on exactly how many total roles there are but there's probably more town roles overall? It's actually hard to tell at a glance because the setup post just give the initial breakdown for 100 slots but we're using all 150, and even with 100 we'd have to count up the free slots.

-Atalanta

[Black]

I mean the amount of neighbours doesn't really matter. They claimed it, therefore it's a true-claim no matter what excluding a gambit which makes it NAI.

Why can't she fake claim neighbor as scum?

[Save The Dragons]

Because if there's a neighbor in the game they could counterclaim

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean the amount of neighbours doesn't really matter. They claimed it, therefore it's a true-claim no matter what excluding a gambit which makes it NAI.

Why can't she fake claim neighbor as scum?

I mean if she fake-claimed a neighbour there'd be a reason why she's risk getting counter-claimed by an actual neighbourhood. Why would they?

[JacksonVirgo]

If she goes out after trying to risk getting counterclaimed, the claimed neighbourhood would be like confirmed to not have wolves in it.