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plus his reaction to being shitpushed for not being here was towny IMO, did not get defensive at all or had any fear around it indicating they were not concerned that theyd get eliminatedretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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In post 238, shaddowez wrote:
Damn, I've been caught. gg.In post 85, DkKoba wrote:
only mafia is vla on weekendsIn post 84, Flare Fluff wrote: I've played with Shadow before and on his signature it says he is v/la on the weekends and he doesn't post at all on the weekends and he ends up coming back on the weekdays.
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I realize you talked with Black about this a little bit, but can you elaborate on your word choice here? Getting absolutely no information based on the quick day (outside of my flip) is one thing, but I don't see that as "Terrifying".In post 87, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
A successful flashwagon on someone who hasn't even posted yet, only after about one real life day, would be simultaneously absolutely fucking hilarious and completely and utterly terrifying.In post 70, DkKoba wrote: if 1 more person votes ill hammer
I know! I don't think I've ever been talked about so much in a game before. I should not post more often >_>In post 236, tris wrote: hi! we've been talking so much about you
a more obvious example but I think shadow has a trackable though process that is organic in nature and displays critical thought behind his takes - a trait notably absent from the vast majority of scum players, as it is difficult to fake naturally ,especially if you are not actively available.In post 243, shaddowez wrote:
Makes sense. Also +1 TR, because I don't feel scum would have had that sort of answer readily enough to answer as quickly as HPE did.In post 239, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
It's a terrifying implication as to the ability of town if they let it happen and pass D1 by with no info but a probable greenflip gained.In post 238, shaddowez wrote: I realize you talked with Black about this a little bit, but can you elaborate on your word choice here? Getting absolutely no information based on the quick day (outside of my flip) is one thing, but I don't see that as "Terrifying".retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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this is an example of genuinely processing posts and using prior knowledge in a way that is actively thinking about other players in the game rather than pretending toIn post 709, shaddowez wrote:
I think this is the first time you explicitly said it, but that's sorta irrelevant. Why do you want to put people in derphammer range if you don't want them necessarily limmed?In post 582, DkKoba wrote: My want for e-1 is obviously separate from who I want eliminated lolretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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Like i know theres not much there but I think the quality of shadows' posts is there if you look at it in context of what has happened in the game, as you can see things subtly referenced that happened pages agoretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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whereas to segway into why I want to elim flare here - I think they've shown the complete opposite of that, which is typical for a scum player - where there is a reactive in the moment play that only takes shallow aspects of what is going on in front of them to push narrative - most notably the pushes they had. There is the underlying feeling of TMI, essentially, and working backwards to create a case for one's alignment.
I'm busy with schoolwork rn and flare's ISO is a bit bigger than shadows' but I will ellaborate, because now that we know ausuka is town and rogue is mafia, it puts it into perspective a lot better.
There is also something there wrt flare/rogue interacting with eachother's slots that makes it a slot that is a top priority to resolve, if not game winning, objectively.
I do not think there's any real reason why margot would have pushed to not kill ausuka day 1 as scum and then went ahead and bussed her partner. I know who margot is, and I do not believe she is a person comfortable carrying her team through several day phases like that and would have preferred to get a town elim there. Sure, there's a world where Margot did indeed do all that for credit, but I do not think this dayphase is where we resolve that bar a mason claim from flare, which effective acts as a flip.
Already explained shadow
I am basically clear off that d1 there as my POV I must be throwing like crazy to let that happen
tris as well
black I have explained why separate from the help onto rogue1
HPE perhaps is the biggest maybe but I personally believe it is town for reasons I stated day 1. their vote onto rogue was not particularly clearing but I have not really read too deeply into HPE past when I felt it was town binnable.
like even if I pretend flare has never spoken in the game, I have them narrowed down by process of elimination. I do not think they have done anything that would elevate them above any of the above slots.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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way to channel your TMI
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"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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i threw away the flare/tris mason theory bc I just couldn't believe that masons would just so blatantly suspect people who suspected them but it still happens igretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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VOTE: hperetired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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she still got itIn post 319, MargotRosa wrote: Ok, initial thoughts are that the solve is in Black or HPE (one of the two, not both), TL1R and Shadow.
Ausuka is easy Town Lock and Koba's play seems too natural to me. It's been a while, and I'm rusty as hell with a bad streak thus far in the return, so take it all with a grain of salt, and I'll do another reread later todayretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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just a normal game for me because I naturally gravitate towards suspecting people with TMIIn post 1118, Flare Fluff wrote:
How does it feel to scum read both of the masons?In post 1114, DkKoba wrote: i threw away the flare/tris mason theory bc I just couldn't believe that masons would just so blatantly suspect people who suspected them but it still happens ig
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"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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with the clarity that it cant be flare fluff, I'm now just certain its HPE and i dont know how to read it still and only attribute this to sheer luck if I got this right atpretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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maybe try reading the game you're reading instead of ctrl-Fing who is pushing youIn post 1121, Flare Fluff wrote: DkKoba's reads don't make sense to me and they are not being clear.
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"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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ebwopIn post 1122, DkKoba wrote:
maybe try reading the game you're playing instead of ctrl-Fing who is pushing youIn post 1121, Flare Fluff wrote: DkKoba's reads don't make sense to me and they are not being clear.
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"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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"here's how koba can still be scum!"retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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if you want me to take you seriously at all, you need to actually give examples and source things instead of just saying things and expecting me to believe it
i dont gaf that you're a mason, being clear doesn't make you correct.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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wow rogue just died mysteriouslyIn post 1128, Black wrote:
Why are you cleared?In post 1026, DkKoba wrote:
well there was that little counterwagon onto rogue that happened from 2 wagons.In post 1022, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Actually no Black is probably fine here because it would be tantamount to suicide to uberpush Ausuka then nightkill her. But also, why the fuck would scum nightkill her when she was at E-1 and could probably be reasonably assumed to be a viable mislim candidate?
im assuming im going to be considered clear for the rest of the game atpretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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:'(retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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we shall never find out how it happened.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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i, as scum, compromised with someone I had a hammer on, while also having hammer on someone else who objectively cannot be scum with me now, to wagon my own scum partner, instead of hammering someone who I could have just feigned I felt forced to hammer and not even had my hands dirty due to the wagons just existing
no, i am just not clear, youre so right. we have to consider koba is a dumbass doing a stupid play with unknown roles angleretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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what a shame that all of day 1 is deleted completely and gone from our memories. we will never find out the context of how it happened.In post 1133, Black wrote:
Are you implying you should be clear because you voted for scum? You know that's not how it works right?In post 1129, DkKoba wrote:
wow rogue just died mysteriouslyIn post 1128, Black wrote:
Why are you cleared?In post 1026, DkKoba wrote:
well there was that little counterwagon onto rogue that happened from 2 wagons.In post 1022, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Actually no Black is probably fine here because it would be tantamount to suicide to uberpush Ausuka then nightkill her. But also, why the fuck would scum nightkill her when she was at E-1 and could probably be reasonably assumed to be a viable mislim candidate?
im assuming im going to be considered clear for the rest of the game atpretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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u are so right!retired
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might as well just vote me out now :'( VOTE: kobaretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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no no go on we need to consider i am a big dummyretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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we have 3 kills tho right
so
w/e
i want HPE first but i guess i'm going to have to probably snap it in 3 way the way the thread is gonna kill shadow -> margot here
but regardless the objective solve atp is [shadow/margot/HPE]retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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because it risks an extreme amount of mechs that could screw meIn post 1140, Black wrote: If you think the play clears you then how exactly would that make you dumb if you are scum here?retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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i, as scum, do take extreme risks - this is true. but these are often calculated risks based on knowledge I have and educated guesses. for example, I have been able to guess people's exact roles and fake a rolecop on them - but this was due to extensive knowledge of reviewer mindset as well as the setup being designed and having multiple other claims.
but this is a completely different environment - where I do not know what roles other people have. I do not know how much leeway I may or may not have based on what I have.
Plus i'm rusty asf, 9.9/10 I take the free town kill when presented with a crosswagon.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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that last quote is why i went "wut" after the daystart statement from HPE lolretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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bc i dont need toIn post 1172, Black wrote:
Why haven't you moved your vote back yetIn post 1165, DkKoba wrote: that last quote is why i went "wut" after the daystart statement from HPE lolretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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who gives a fuck, ur clear now, they dont need to solve for you anymoreIn post 1210, Flare Fluff wrote:
Can you show me where was Harle twisting posts.In post 1189, shaddowez wrote:
And that's completely fair. The question is more of do youIn post 1187, Flare Fluff wrote:
I don't like your play either.In post 1186, shaddowez wrote: So at this point PoE leads me to believe it's in Margot/HPE/Black, with Koba a far outlier. Black I'm not getting scum vibes from, her play is very similar here to a
recent town game I had with her.
My Margot read is based largely on Roden's early play, and her early replace in didn't give me town vibes, but her end of Day play did.
That really leaves me only with HPE, so I'll go 1v1 there. I know I'm town and don't want to be limmed toDay, but if that leads to a win tomorrow I'm fine with it.
Still don't like FF play, but since tris didn't cc the mason claim that clears both of them.
Wasn't really expecting this to be the reads list I owe Flare when I started it, but it ended up being that.
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I will need to see evidence on where did she twist posts because when Rogues said that Harle was attacking their question out of frustration, Harle never did that and Rogues turned out to be scum.
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"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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ik but its still a waste and idt they are asking in good faith anywaysIn post 1215, shaddowez wrote:
I don't think it's being asked to try and clear their slot, it's to show my thinkingIn post 1212, DkKoba wrote: who gives a fuck, ur clear now, they dont need to solve for you anymoreretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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yes i do, its part of my roleIn post 1214, Black wrote:
You also don't need to be self voting but here we areIn post 1211, DkKoba wrote:
bc i dont need toIn post 1172, Black wrote:
Why haven't you moved your vote back yetIn post 1165, DkKoba wrote: that last quote is why i went "wut" after the daystart statement from HPE lolretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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over the top for whoIn post 1218, Black wrote:In post 1132, DkKoba wrote: i, as scum, compromised with someone I had a hammer on, while also having hammer on someone else who objectively cannot be scum with me now, to wagon my own scum partner, instead of hammering someone who I could have just feigned I felt forced to hammer and not even had my hands dirty due to the wagons just existing
no, i am just not clear, youre so right. we have to consider koba is a dumbass doing a stupid play with unknown roles angleIn post 1135, DkKoba wrote: u are so right!
The more I read these the more I feel like they are way over the topIn post 1139, DkKoba wrote: no no go on we need to consider i am a big dummy
I don't think we ever fade Koba before we resolve the HPE/shaddow slots but I think we fade them over Margot in ELO if it comes down to itretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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do you think that towny perspective = they interpret things exactly like youIn post 1222, Flare Fluff wrote:
none of those post, have twisting, second one was sarcasm. the only one here twisting is you building some false narrative like rogue was trying to do to blend in.In post 1213, shaddowez wrote: It may have been misunderstanding from one side or the other based on language barrier, but she was definitely taking what was being said to a different place.
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"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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they said how they interpreted it, and if town that is a plausible genuine way to interpret it. just because you didnt intend it that way, it is interpretable like that because you misinterpreted those words.
it is twisted, just here its because of human error, not maliceretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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bc its like wild that you are so worried about 1v1ing me at this point,if we reach final 3 this isn't going to go the way you think because in that scenario you are objectively the right kill. im pretty sure we win with HPE atp but GL getting your way if you are scum when the only person that would hammer me in f3 is a mason and if theyre brought to f3 it will be obvious that they are there because of you, although it will probably work because FF is definitely the type to be susceptible to extreme confbiasIn post 1221, DkKoba wrote:
over the top for whoIn post 1218, Black wrote:In post 1132, DkKoba wrote: i, as scum, compromised with someone I had a hammer on, while also having hammer on someone else who objectively cannot be scum with me now, to wagon my own scum partner, instead of hammering someone who I could have just feigned I felt forced to hammer and not even had my hands dirty due to the wagons just existing
no, i am just not clear, youre so right. we have to consider koba is a dumbass doing a stupid play with unknown roles angleIn post 1135, DkKoba wrote: u are so right!
The more I read these the more I feel like they are way over the topIn post 1139, DkKoba wrote: no no go on we need to consider i am a big dummy
I don't think we ever fade Koba before we resolve the HPE/shaddow slots but I think we fade them over Margot in ELO if it comes down to itretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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yes i would post this as scum to get a townie off their read, now why would a townie not do this?In post 1226, Black wrote:
It feels like overly dramatic AtE, like the type scum would make to get a townie off their readIn post 1221, DkKoba wrote:
over the top for whoIn post 1218, Black wrote:In post 1132, DkKoba wrote: i, as scum, compromised with someone I had a hammer on, while also having hammer on someone else who objectively cannot be scum with me now, to wagon my own scum partner, instead of hammering someone who I could have just feigned I felt forced to hammer and not even had my hands dirty due to the wagons just existing
no, i am just not clear, youre so right. we have to consider koba is a dumbass doing a stupid play with unknown roles angleIn post 1135, DkKoba wrote: u are so right!
The more I read these the more I feel like they are way over the topIn post 1139, DkKoba wrote: no no go on we need to consider i am a big dummy
I don't think we ever fade Koba before we resolve the HPE/shaddow slots but I think we fade them over Margot in ELO if it comes down to itretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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what the fuck are you talking aboutIn post 1229, Flare Fluff wrote:
A already claimed, so why does shadow need to bring up something that is not true in how i interacted early like this will bring new topic, a has already claimed, so where is going with this?In post 1224, DkKoba wrote: they said how they interpreted it, and if town that is a plausible genuine way to interpret it. just because you didnt intend it that way, it is interpretable like that because you misinterpreted those words.
it is twisted, just here its because of human error, not malice
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"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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they were asked to explain themselves/you made accusatory posts about what they saidretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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do you have goldfish memoryretired
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i feel like i am explaining things I should not need to explainIn post 1189, shaddowez wrote:
And that's completely fair. The question is more of do youIn post 1187, Flare Fluff wrote:
I don't like your play either.In post 1186, shaddowez wrote: So at this point PoE leads me to believe it's in Margot/HPE/Black, with Koba a far outlier. Black I'm not getting scum vibes from, her play is very similar here to a
recent town game I had with her.
My Margot read is based largely on Roden's early play, and her early replace in didn't give me town vibes, but her end of Day play did.
That really leaves me only with HPE, so I'll go 1v1 there. I know I'm town and don't want to be limmed toDay, but if that leads to a win tomorrow I'm fine with it.
Still don't like FF play, but since tris didn't cc the mason claim that clears both of them.
Wasn't really expecting this to be the reads list I owe Flare when I started it, but it ended up being that.
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know that there is 100% chance one of us 2 are town and are telling you this and you can't just say both our perspectives are scummy when we agreeretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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i mean it depends who makes it to f3, because if it is margot, for instance, it would 100% be a f3 of me, you, and her.In post 1236, Black wrote:
I'm not trying to 1v1 you. I'm trying to make sure you don't deepwolf your way to a victory and try to AtE everyone off of fading you just because you bussed your scumbuddyIn post 1227, DkKoba wrote:
bc its like wild that you are so worried about 1v1ing me at this point,if we reach final 3 this isn't going to go the way you think because in that scenario you are objectively the right kill. im pretty sure we win with HPE atp but GL getting your way if you are scum when the only person that would hammer me in f3 is a mason and if theyre brought to f3 it will be obvious that they are there because of you, although it will probably work because FF is definitely the type to be susceptible to extreme confbiasIn post 1221, DkKoba wrote:
over the top for whoIn post 1218, Black wrote:In post 1132, DkKoba wrote: i, as scum, compromised with someone I had a hammer on, while also having hammer on someone else who objectively cannot be scum with me now, to wagon my own scum partner, instead of hammering someone who I could have just feigned I felt forced to hammer and not even had my hands dirty due to the wagons just existing
no, i am just not clear, youre so right. we have to consider koba is a dumbass doing a stupid play with unknown roles angleIn post 1135, DkKoba wrote: u are so right!
The more I read these the more I feel like they are way over the topIn post 1139, DkKoba wrote: no no go on we need to consider i am a big dummy
I don't think we ever fade Koba before we resolve the HPE/shaddow slots but I think we fade them over Margot in ELO if it comes down to it
You shouldn't even make it to F3 considering everyone townreads you but me. So if you do then you should absolutely be yeetedretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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VOTE: hpe okIn post 1239, Black wrote: Yeah I'm going to get hit with personal attacks and I'm sure Koba will talk about how bad I am at the game and yadda yadda but I don't really care. I had a theory they were scum with Rogues early D1 and I want to resolve this nowretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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the confirmation bias is out of this worldretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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this is anh immature "no UR doing the thing" response, engage him critically, or just sit in the corner like a good clear that doesn't interfere with people willing to approach things in good faithIn post 1242, Flare Fluff wrote:
he said is less post= scum, where i asked him his opinion on it.In post 1228, shaddowez wrote: I'm only going to bother with one of the posts as an example, because I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who won't listen and learn.
Rogues explicitly asks if one isMOREtownie than the other, and never says anything about the activity in question being solely one alignment. Your response is, as quoted "only town.
That is literally the definition of twisting words, because you did not answer what was asked and phrased it to make them look bad.
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oh you think both town/scum can't be inactive, it only town?In post 451, Two Level 1 Rogues wrote: Is Fluff posting more townie than posting content less frequently/"inactivity"?
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the only one twisting is you
there is no making rogue bad, as you claim.
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"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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like what the fuck does this engage solveretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
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so?In post 1245, Flare Fluff wrote:
koba attitude comes of awful.In post 1238, Black wrote: Actually you know what, fuck it
VOTE: Koba
I want to resolve this before HPE/shaddow now
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yeah im being blunt because people are pulling the most obnoxious nonlogical arguments ive seen in a long time in a mafia game
if you are the type who thinks mean=mafia well sorry, your mafia theory is just wrong and not supported by any sort of evidence and is opposed by data
i already explained why its extremely silly to consider my slot scum after how d1 went down, as I was a major catalyst to rogue getting killed in the first place - where if I am scum, I let a town v town wagon dissipate to kill my own scum partner in the last 24 hours of the day for no possible gain, but possibly being caught by an investigative.retired
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because im also playing this game, and I can defend my townreads and support them by backing them up and shooting down bad faith pushes against themIn post 1248, Flare Fluff wrote:
why you need to quote me, when shadow the one who keeps bringing it up. i am responding to him, not you.In post 1246, DkKoba wrote: like what the fuck does this engage solve
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"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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In post 1251, Black wrote:
Vote there with me pleaseIn post 1245, Flare Fluff wrote:
koba attitude comes of awful.In post 1238, Black wrote: Actually you know what, fuck it
VOTE: Koba
I want to resolve this before HPE/shaddow now
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@HPE
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If ya'll are town I encourage you to do the same
if you are town you are essentially gamethrowing by your approach hereretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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why is this evidence that i am scum, but ignoring hammer on 2 townies and killing scum is not evidence i am town?In post 1249, Black wrote:In post 453, Black wrote: What if it's just the two hydrasKoba ignored this question btw
I think it's just Rogues/Koba
why is the standard for both different here? why is the standard different between players?
has cherrypicking like this helped you win in games in the past?retired
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"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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so why are you townIn post 1255, Black wrote:
If your D1 actions make it silly to consider you scum then it would absolutely make sense for you to do them as scumIn post 1250, DkKoba wrote: i already explained why its extremely silly to consider my slot scum after how d1 went down, as I was a major catalyst to rogue getting killed in the first place - where if I am scum, I let a town v town wagon dissipate to kill my own scum partner in the last 24 hours of the day for no possible gain, but possibly being caught by an investigative.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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if you dont answer you are CONFIRMED MAFIA btw, this is according to the top minds in mafia theoryIn post 1259, DkKoba wrote:
so why are you townIn post 1255, Black wrote:
If your D1 actions make it silly to consider you scum then it would absolutely make sense for you to do them as scumIn post 1250, DkKoba wrote: i already explained why its extremely silly to consider my slot scum after how d1 went down, as I was a major catalyst to rogue getting killed in the first place - where if I am scum, I let a town v town wagon dissipate to kill my own scum partner in the last 24 hours of the day for no possible gain, but possibly being caught by an investigative.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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not answering questions that townies deem as necessary is a hard scumtellretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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why are you townIn post 1262, Black wrote:
Why would this be evidence that you're town? I think your plan was to bus Rogues and then call everyone that tried to push you stupidIn post 1257, DkKoba wrote: why is this evidence that i am scum, but ignoring hammer on 2 townies and killing scum is not evidence i am town?retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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i need you to answer to make a point that your argument that i bussed is extremely stupidretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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literally imagine you got a pelt the way i did as town, and how you might feel if someone tried to dismiss that entire line based on "hurr durr u coulda bussed"retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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am i scum if i dont? seems to be how this works. i dont know anything, im just a noob
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am i voting youIn post 1267, Black wrote:
You're the one that supposedly skimmed through my meta in like 2 minutes and decided I wasn't scum. But now looking back I think you were just trying to get some town points. You dropped that read faster than I could blinkIn post 1259, DkKoba wrote:
so why are you townIn post 1255, Black wrote:
If your D1 actions make it silly to consider you scum then it would absolutely make sense for you to do them as scumIn post 1250, DkKoba wrote: i already explained why its extremely silly to consider my slot scum after how d1 went down, as I was a major catalyst to rogue getting killed in the first place - where if I am scum, I let a town v town wagon dissipate to kill my own scum partner in the last 24 hours of the day for no possible gain, but possibly being caught by an investigative.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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i sort people by towniness and youre in the bottom 3, arguably 2, boo hoo.
i had similar feelings about rogue midday due to the dragoneater head and ended up voting them because they fell to my poe and i wanted to compromise within my PoE, ausuka having been in my PoE earlier that day and moving up
viewing the game holistically is how i play, and even if i have reasons to townread someone i will compare them to others. in comparison to shadow i think you are less towny, in comparison to margot you are more towny in some regards. its how you catch deepwolves as well
i skimmed your meta, saw this behavior more match up with your town games, and binned you as town. i did not have a solid reason to lock you town, however. if that makes you think im scum, well then idk skill issue.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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pattern seeking brain seeks patterns it wantsIn post 1271, Flare Fluff wrote:
Thank you!In post 1256, Black wrote: Vote tags - [ v ] [ /v ] minus the spaces
VOTE: Vote Koba
placing my vote here, since day one been obsessed with mason talk, ausuke died later, because of koba saying ausuka is mason, trying to get other claim mason.
I will leave vote here, for A to decide, but not fan of koba.
~Hretired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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a more experienced player might read my prior games, and notice that when masons are present i talk about them regardless of alignment, even tris can tell you this as we had a mason game in my very first game with her.retired
"1 thing I will give you Dk, I think you are very good at manipulating. I don't mean that in a bad way, I just think you [have] this way with yourself. You know what to say and when to say [it]." ~VFP
"Koba doesn't really have a scumrange/townrange, Koba will kill your pet cat to win a game" ~Pooky-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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- Pronoun: They/Them