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[Laplacian]

Wow that's a long day 1

[Laplacian]

Anyway, sup nerds. I'm a juggernaut masonizer death miller with 3x BP, how about you?

[Laplacian]

Give it 2 days then we turbo whoever hasn't posted. Until then
VOTE: Flavor
because the game is pictures of England and they're using USA spelling.

[Laplacian]

I assure you, my votes will be RVs all game

[Laplacian]

I'm with Thom here

1. Wishes people voted for a really bad reason
2. Would totally defend someone and get that nice townie cred
3. Goes full Vizzini when called out

Was gonna savor RVS for longer, but this feels legit sus to me
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

[Laplacian]

Can we policy elim cw? Or modkill?

[Laplacian]

I'm with Thom here

1. Wishes people voted for a really bad reason
2. Would totally defend someone and get that nice townie cred
3. Goes full Vizzini when called out

Was gonna savor RVS for longer, but this feels legit sus to me
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

this post vibes a bit weird, people had been discussing that pavowski's post may not be serious and then laplacian just completely ignores that possibility.

Was typing that while those other posts appeared, read them, decided I still stood by it. I read the tone as 'oh, this is not serious (unless you wamt to act on it then it's 100% serious)'

[Laplacian]

Really, if it was just the first post I could have let it slide. It was the response that really cinched it for me

[Laplacian]

Laplacian is scum you nerds you can policy the shitposter tomorrow

Um, excuse me, juggernaut masonizer death miller with 3x BP is clearly a town role.

[Laplacian]

Alright, time to actually make big posts with quotes instead of quickly typing on a phone in between games at a party.

I'm with Thom here

1. Wishes people voted for a really bad reason
2. Would totally defend someone and get that nice townie cred
3. Goes full Vizzini when called out

Was gonna savor RVS for longer, but this feels legit sus to me
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

this post vibes a bit weird, people had been discussing that pavowski's post may not be serious and then laplacian just completely ignores that possibility.

Was typing that while those other posts appeared, read them, decided I still stood by it. I read the tone as 'oh, this is not serious (unless you wamt to act on it then it's 100% serious)'

the thing is, your case is based on the assumption that he was serious. if you didn't think the posts were serious unless acted on (though i'm not entirely sure what you mean by "act on" so i could be misunderstanding something), why call them "legit sus" and make what would seem to be a serious vote based on that case?
idk, something doesn't add up here.

I do assume he was serrious, but posted it under a jokey veneer for plausible deniability. Basically, if no one follows up or calls out the post, pretend it was entirely a joke and can be safely ignored. But if other people follow that lead and start voting on Kyouko, they can swap and treat it as 100% serious. Basically leave yourself an out via comedy. It's a pretty classic technique, and I hope my having to elaborate is because of my poor wording last night.

Furthermore, the line of

Somebody vote Kyouko for that smell thing, that was weird, wasn't it?

feels ick to me. Kyouko's original post did not make "that smell thing" sound pleasant most of the time, and even the idea of voting someone based on an irl issue seemed really gross. While I don't think that was Pav's intent, especially with the offer of defense, it was as if he was looking for any reason to push Kyouko and jumped on that as the most content-filled post.

I'm with Thom here

1. Wishes people voted for a really bad reason
2. Would totally defend someone and get that nice townie cred
3. Goes full Vizzini when called out

Was gonna savor RVS for longer, but this feels legit sus to me
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pavowski

Laplacian is scum you nerds you can policy the shitposter tomorrow

Um, excuse me, juggernaut masonizer death miller with 3x BP is clearly a town role.

Are we past the meme phase y/n

ssbm_Kyouko's s vote gave as much evidence against me as that shitpost gave in my defense, felt appropriate.

[Laplacian]

Now time to reread everything, maybe check out some isos if I feel like tryharding while coffee brews

[Laplacian]

I don't like how DE70 emphasizes early on how lazy they are, and yet posts extensive quote walls that seem the opposite of lazy. I don't know his meta - maybe this is lazy for him - but it's enough to make me pay attention. Not worthy of swapping vote, but would hop on a train for them if someone makes a good case.

Pavowski - still dont like that early post combo, but everything since then has had good vibes. Hades, edibles, first game in a few years, and the exact same reaction I had to joyboy showing up. Close enough to my thoughts and tastes that he's probably town.

UNVOTE:

[Laplacian]

ssbm_Kyouko gives bad vibes, but that's like 2/3rds omgus and 1/3rd "give the appearance of momentum" line. Would vote if came to it

FL town

Abnegation has no reads, just prodding at others reads and giving the illusion of being helpful. Scum trying to find a good train to hop on, as shown by them hopping on me without saying anything.
VOTE: Abnegation

[Laplacian]

I don't like how DE70 emphasizes early on how lazy they are, and yet posts extensive quote walls that seem the opposite of lazy. I don't know his meta - maybe this is lazy for him - but it's enough to make me pay attention. Not worthy of swapping vote, but would hop on a train for them if someone makes a good case.

Pavowski - still dont like that early post combo, but everything since then has had good vibes. Hades, edibles, first game in a few years, and the exact same reaction I had to joyboy showing up. Close enough to my thoughts and tastes that he's probably town.

UNVOTE:

I don't see how someone saying they're going to be lazy, then making an effort to try and solve or puts effort in is scummy? Isn't that inherently better than them being lazy?

I agree it's better, just weird. And yes, I think E-4 for me atm

[Laplacian]

Lemme check myself before taking someone this one is wary of at face value

Okay checks out thank you :salute:
VOTE: Laplacian

rude

[Laplacian]

It'd be weirdly straightforward but it feels like it could just be {Laplacian, DE, ???}

Dragon feels like he wants anything

but

for the focus to be on Laplacian and Laplacian feels like he knows he's toast and is trying to Distance from DE before he goes down

You've been tunneling me since your 4th post, to the point of manufacturing momentum and now tossing in a timer to try to pretend there's some urgent push on me. If executioner was in simple normal I'd assume you were that, but this is just myopic.

At least if I get flipped, you'll only nuke a VT instead of a power role

[Laplacian]

I also love that clarifying my language from last night and then taking the time to reread the entire thread and see if my opinions still hold is apparently scummy. Guess I should join ssbm in voting one person and never ever reevaluating

[Laplacian]

Okay I need someone who scumreads lap to explain the lap scumread. Preferably Kyouko. I feel like I usually see eye to eye with her but this game, I'm not. I haven't seen her as scum yet so I'm a bit worried about that tbh.

It's my avatar. People are threatened by its energy

[Laplacian]

Yikes claiming this early. Also "myopic"
^words like myopic are why 226 reeks btw, you should just type normally when you're scum next time - don't over-edit.

I'm in academia. I'm either shitposting or flexing my internal thesaurus. There is no in-between.

[Laplacian]

301

Orrrr, I was at a party last night so my posts were short and unembellished phone posts. You're looking at my usual writing style now. Also impressed that you have the gall to complain about rhetorical techinques while

Using Bold Gold Text

to make your own commentary look important. This tunnel is so deep it's a borehole now.

[Laplacian]

Yeah, I don't think scum goes this hard as the first one to vote for me. Abnegation scum as I've said before, can totally see HPE as well

[Laplacian]

VOTE: Laplacian

Gonna elaborate or just vote and run?

[Laplacian]

Getting more sus on Dragoneater. Despite having the most posts by a good 60% margin, their posts are proportionally low-content and fell back to the sheeping post from page 1 when Pav called out his weird vote pattern in 358. Their push for HPE feels legit though and not like a preemptive bus, so I'm feeling 1 scum between DE and HPE.

[Laplacian]

Well, that's E-2. If I get rushed in the next few hours, probably 1+ scum on me already and 1+ scum in the last two voters

[Laplacian]

the votecounter seems to have missed the last one

Looks like it found the vote now

[Laplacian]

I had already expressed doubts about both you and HPE earlier, this is just saying XOR instead of OR. It's not an alt wagon if it's just tightening down what I've already said.

[Laplacian]

I'm at E-2, no shit I'm in survival mode. The two leading votes are basically me vs you right now, and I know I'm town while you've been exuding scum vibes, so ofc I'm going to try to get people to vote smart instead of following ssmb's train tunnel to a mislim.

[Laplacian]

If you think it's Abnegation make a case on her, don't sit and throw shade at me/HPE hoping somebody buys it and moves off

If you think it's one of us then vote us

I gave my case earlier, several people agreed, but it's hard to get more evidence when she hasn't posted in forever. So until then:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: HPE

[Laplacian]

Glad cw is back and toning down the memes. However, they pop back in within 30 minutes of Kyouko saying cw had valid thoughts. Could just be good timing, but I'm also thinking scum chat coaching. Like, "tone it down before you get policied, go contribute next time you're mentioned"

[Laplacian]

(I can say that as long as I don't try to provide evidence, yes?)

Yeah, as long as you don't take a picture of the dice

I got laplacian, but if I'm not mistaken laplacian is On E-2 (?) so it's probably not such a good idea to vote for laplacian right now, maybe later
Anyway, I would prefer this out of the two because of that

What kind of dice we talking? d20? Boring d6? Spicy weird one like a d14? I'll only accept this rng if it's a cool die.

[Laplacian]

Glad cw is back and toning down the memes. However, they pop back in within 30 minutes of Kyouko saying cw had valid thoughts. Could just be good timing, but I'm also thinking scum chat coaching. Like, "tone it down before you get policied, go contribute next time you're mentioned"

I could see cw doing it on purpose to see who would try to ask for a policy Elim. Which is why I wouldn't hate a joyboy vote either.

That would be an interesting gambit. I've always seen policy elims as NAI, but scum would have a higher incentive to call for PEs on a townie

[Laplacian]

Caught up, didn't really see anything from last night that changes my opinion.

Will happily vote for HPE, Abnegation, or DE70

Town FL, lean town on Thom, Pav, and HT

Everyone else I'm either unsure or want more info

[Laplacian]

Glad cw is back and toning down the memes. However, they pop back in within 30 minutes of Kyouko saying cw had valid thoughts. Could just be good timing, but I'm also thinking scum chat coaching. Like, "tone it down before you get policied, go contribute next time you're mentioned"

This feels rather farfetched but with how insane cw has been, who fucking knowssssss.

IMO, it's time zone dependent. If this is a reasonable time for them, just good timing. In light of that, I copied DE and put my time zone in my profile since knowing activity patterns is always interesting

[Laplacian]

Or rather let me be a newbie coach and say that you are expected to vote when playing in this site, and not only close to deadline.

Maybe, but that still leaves too much time for it to make sense in my mind
I suppose it is possible to vote now/soon

You can vote me, it's all good. If I get hammered it will at least give a fuckload of information to town

[Laplacian]

Not inviting the hammer to be clear, but if it happens y'all better make the most of it

[Laplacian]

Glad cw is back and toning down the memes. However, they pop back in within 30 minutes of Kyouko saying cw had valid thoughts. Could just be good timing, but I'm also thinking scum chat coaching. Like, "tone it down before you get policied, go contribute next time you're mentioned"

am i just in the wrong scum chats. i have never had games like this where my partners tell me how to post

I've seen it before for total noobs, and even here we have DE being a "newbie coach" in the thread itself. I'm not saying it's a likely thing, just a possibility that popped into my mind from cw's convenient timing and sane posting today.

[Laplacian]

Vote Ausuka for making this mess in the first place

[Laplacian]

Based on people pushing Lap, there are three options:
1. He isn't scum
2. He is being heavily bussed
3. He is scum with exactly two of joyboy/cw/Hu Tao/FL

He isn't scum with FL because FL wouldn't let a scum buddy basically VT claim and stay at E-2 without a real counterwagon

I am ignoring the possibility of him being scum with Hu Tao for now and will come back to it later

He is not scum with exactly Joyboy/cw because having vanity wagons on each other while your partner is the main wagon is the best way to lose as mafia and I get the feeling Joyboy at least has SOME level of competence in Mafia.

So barring Hu Tao partnership, we eliminate option 3.

On option 2 it's a lot quicker: is there anyone who is positioned to gain towncred from Lap flipping scum? Not really. I mean Kyo is probably not scum with Lap so would look good if he flips scum, but since she's not scum with him she isn't bussing.

So it's also not very likely scum are bussing (unless scum are just really bad).

Conclusion:
Either Lap is just town, or scum are really bad and are doing a stupid bus right now (in which case I feel fine letting Lap live a little longer since his buddies probably will be revealed through associations), or Lap is scum with Hu Tao + somebody else.

Since I currently TR Hu Tao and since I think she'd probably react differently to a wagon on buddy (either bus or hard defend), I'm fine with saying he is most likely not scum with Hu Tao, but this is not a hard no like with Flavor.

Suggestion:
Let's start a new wagon
VOTE: Abneg
(I was already voting Abneg, now voting for a different reason)

While I'm obviously happy with your conclusion, why narrow a potential scum team with me + those 4 exactly? I see omitting Pav & Kyouko, but not say, Thom.

[Laplacian]

Also forgot about 1 scum bussing 1 scum off-wagon I think but my brain goes straight to you excluding yourself as a partner

I'd assume any bus with 3 scum is 1 on and 1 off. It seems like it'd be the safest option rather than both trying to grab town cred

[Laplacian]

Laplacian voters as of 503: ssbm_kyouko, Abnegation, Pavowski, HighPrincessErinys, geraintm

Assuming Laplacian scum it would be with 2 of these as partners:
Joyboy

Purplemango
DragonEater70

Hu Tao
Flavor Leaf
cw357

Thomith

bold=missing from 503

3. He is scum with exactly two of joyboy/cw/Hu Tao/FL

Why were purplemango and thomith not listed in scenario 3?

Ironically, I already pointed out that the list of my hypothetical coconspirators was missing a few people. Plus I think that assumption that if I was scum, voters are safe is wrong. I'd assume 1 scum on a bus 1 off

[Laplacian]

Yep, E-2 now, claimed when I hit E-3 since it looked like there was momentum.

[Laplacian]

VOTE: Joyboy

No reason, but not opposed

She sees me not consider myself possible scum and her first thought is to point it out as possibly damning as a partner with Lap.

If you want to towncase Lap convincingly you're going to have to do it from an outside POV if you want it to convince people outside your own town POV.

I can make cases as though I'm town, as scum, and they can make sense because I'm pretending to be town. If you don't build your case from an outside POV it's going to be less convincing. I am wary of you pushing this towncase as truth because it looks believable, but it relies on an unconfirmed assumption that you're town.

And all of your arguments are also from the a priori assumption that I'm scum. You can't complain about their lack of neutrality when you can't zoom out either.

You are STILL tunneled.

I have yet to receive any indication I'm wrong though, and I

am

looking

I think DE/Lap/FL is a lazy read pairing.

Lazy and bold to say that maf are all people with bigger post counts instead of lurking in the <20 crew of joyboy, gera, and abnegation


fake edit: And ofc a ton more discussion appeared as I was going over the last few pages. Posting anyway

[Laplacian]

Looks like that's hammer. Use my flip for good. o7

[Laplacian]

gg, well played scum, y'all laid low really nicely