@Vivax, since you're around, can you respond to this, please?In post 523, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Do you have reasons for thinking Darth is scum beyond just his tame reaction to an early fishing attempt? You take issue with what I said being a little too early in the game, but here the only reason you're giving for suspecting Darth is likewise built on a read of something they did early in the game. Either early-game stuff is relevant or it isn't. Feels like you are trying to have your cake and eat it too on this angle.
More specifically, did post 382 clear anything up for you? Did you even read it.... I ask because, for me, that post cleared up a lot of my feelings towards Darth and I now lean pretty heavily towards Darth as town.
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In post 355, SuperfluousNinja wrote:In post 353, gob wrote:
LOL I havent even read any of your long posts.In post 349, SuperfluousNinja wrote:
Here's that post for reference. I'm obviously making you nervous.In post 175, gob wrote: On Mafiascum we generally keep our posts 1-5 sentences.
So you're admitting to not even participating in this game.
If you are willfully ignoring anything I have to say, then why did you take issue with my vote, considering you made no effort whatsoever to understand it?
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a lot of commonly held wisdom about mafia are misconceptionsIn post 453, DarthPunk wrote:
Yeah I am struggling with people whoIn post 450, Oatsmaster wrote:
This is just not trueIn post 443, Dannflor wrote:
I don't think this is scummyIn post 391, DarthPunk wrote: Basically my case on GOB is that he openly stated he was posting for the sake of posting.
That is mafia 101 scummy. What can I say? I am a simple man, I see a scum claim, I vote.
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It concerns me that this is what Dunnstral is focusing on almost solely on arguing this point about engagement because it doesn't really look like he's sorting Ninja with it. It looks like he's arguing a point for the sake of being correct.In post 454, DarthPunk wrote:
Can you respond to this again in a way that makes sense, I am not trying to be mean but I genuinely don't understand what you are trying to say here.In post 442, Dannflor wrote:
it doesn't concern me that dunstral is pushing back on this, I don't disagree that it's not a great tellIn post 384, DarthPunk wrote:
Do you not think lack of engagement is a mafia tell?In post 376, Dannflor wrote: dunnstral why is superfluous' assertion about lurkers like the most interesting thing to you about this game so far
i don't think you're scum for lurking but i don't understand why you are picking at the things you are picking at
Does it concern you that Dunstrall is only pushing back on the assertion that would cause him to be in the list of mafia?
it concerns me that of all the things in the game thread this is what seems most interesting to him. I don't really know what it tells him about Ninja's alignment or what value he gets out of arguing this point
It concerns me that this is what Dunnstral is choosing to engage with out of all the possible things in the thread he could be engaging with.
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based on ninja's response i think she has a style of typing that triggers a lot of my scum tells but i am guessing is not actually scum indicative for her
i like the desperate tone of her response of like "everyone please interrogate me"
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That dann sequence is hilarious
“I’m wrong on ninja”
“Let me vote someone who I’ve never expressed a strong read for in this game without a reason”
Naeyes and gob are 2 peas in a pod that’s crazy.
AFAIK naeyes still has their vote on OoO-
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Also @Dannflor why do you townread Roden? What has Roden said or done that deserves a town read?-
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i really dislike how cautiously DP approached my case on Ninja
in DP's catchup post 382 he slides Ninja into a lean scum position but doesn't comment on my case or push there
his first comment on it is 389 where he asks Oats what *he* thinks about my case. It feels as though through pages 16-17 that DP is waiting to see how others react to my case before he takes a firm stance either way.
i feel like posts 415 and 416 are trying too hard to be reasonable and set DP up to join the growing wagon on Ninja. Like I think Ninja's initial reaction looked very bad because she missed my initial case and didn't stick around much besides dumping a kind of confusing reads list. oatsmaster, gob, and hu tao all had immediate reactions of "yup good case + looks like scum" whereas it looks like DP feels the need to make it look like he's very earnestly trying to engage with Ninja before joining the wagon.
It is hard for me to explain why this sequence of posts bothers me so much and I'm worried I'm not communication it well. But I think the best way to describe it is this:
1. DP is ostensibly lean scum reading Ninja
2. Dannflor comes along and writes a big wall case on Ninja that is generally well received
3. Ninja has an optically bad initial reaction to the case
4. several other players come to a quick similar conclusion that ninja looks like scum
given that series of events would you expect town!DP to
A. vote Ninja
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B. make a series of posts justifying his continuing scum read while simultaneously giving Ninja the benefit of the doubt
furthermore I feel like 421 immediately followed up by 422 are overly explanatory about why he doesn't feel comfortable voting Ninja yet
generally i just get the vibe from DP of trying to present themselves as overly reasonable which i think is a common scum tactic. plus i think if Ninja is town his hesitant reaction to my push - almost trying to play the middle - is the most likely position for scum to be taking up-
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I'm not sure if I'm town reading Roden at the momentIn post 535, SuperfluousNinja wrote: Also @Dannflor why do you townread Roden? What has Roden said or done that deserves a town read?
I did originally think that his attitude towards oatsmaster had an indignant towny tone but I don't have super strong feelings about that anymore-
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for transparency, im somewhere around here right now:
TOWN: Luca Blight, outoforder, Oatsmaster
LEAN TOWN: gob, Hu Tao, SuperfluousNinja
MIXED/NULL: Dunnstral, Naerys, MalcolmTucker, Roden
LEAN SCUM: Vivax
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I got about 7 minutes.
I‘m more comfortable with the game when Dann and Ninja can both be town in it.
I think Dann might play like someone with a hidden agenda but I‘m not sure that it makes hin mafia.-
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I‘d have Dunn, DP , OOO and Oats in lean scum currently. Others lean town except for Malcolm.In post 538, Dannflor wrote: for transparency, im somewhere around here right now:
TOWN: Luca Blight, outoforder, Oatsmaster
LEAN TOWN: gob, Hu Tao, SuperfluousNinja
MIXED/NULL: Dunnstral, Naerys, MalcolmTucker, Roden
LEAN SCUM: Vivax
SCUM: DarthPunk
Dunn more of a null though for lack of content. It‘s just that he gives off a scummy breeze I can‘t place my finger on.
You and Ninja towned it up during this phase.
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In post 542, Roden wrote: Currently dealing with a work injury from yesterday. I don't think I need to VLA but I'll let the mod know if that changes. My posting will be sparse in the meantime.GotchaWhite Flag : Carebear Edition is ongoing ! (13/13) hit me up if you wanna get on the priority replacement list / spectate
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Why do you town read me?In post 538, Dannflor wrote: for transparency, im somewhere around here right now:
TOWN: Luca Blight, outoforder, Oatsmaster
LEAN TOWN: gob, Hu Tao, SuperfluousNinja
MIXED/NULL: Dunnstral, Naerys, MalcolmTucker, Roden
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He's pretty good as scum, but I think for now he's townishIn post 539, Vivax wrote: I got about 7 minutes.
I‘m more comfortable with the game when Dann and Ninja can both be town in it.
I think Dann might play like someone with a hidden agenda but I‘m not sure that it makes hin mafia.-
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Hope you get better soonIn post 542, Roden wrote: Currently dealing with a work injury from yesterday. I don't think I need to VLA but I'll let the mod know if that changes. My posting will be sparse in the meantime.-
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idk vibesIn post 544, Hu Tao wrote: Why do you town read me?
i liked your initial interaction with a thread because it looked like town kinda skimming along trying to find something to sink their teeth into. i think scum worries more about looking like they are engaging on a deeper level
uh i liked that you just sheeped my case and didn't worry about how that might look
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yes bcz i dont care at all what everyone else thinks of meIn post 533, Oatsmaster wrote: AFAIK naeyes still has their vote on OoO
i play how i want and i switch my vote when i want, bye-
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It feels like you randomly picked people to SR. And who else would do that than scumIn post 520, outoforder wrote:
Can you explain the logic between this?In post 510, Naerys wrote: I dont really see any chemistry between those order mentioned, so order themselves could be scum
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