In post 536, Dannflor wrote: i really dislike how cautiously DP approached my case on Ninja
in DP's catchup post 382 he slides Ninja into a lean scum position but doesn't comment on my case or push there
his first comment on it is 389 where he asks Oats what *he* thinks about my case. It feels as though through pages 16-17 that DP is waiting to see how others react to my case before he takes a firm stance either way.
i feel like posts 415 and 416 are trying too hard to be reasonable and set DP up to join the growing wagon on Ninja. Like I think Ninja's initial reaction looked very bad because she missed my initial case and didn't stick around much besides dumping a kind of confusing reads list. oatsmaster, gob, and hu tao all had immediate reactions of "yup good case + looks like scum" whereas it looks like DP feels the need to make it look like he's very earnestly trying to engage with Ninja before joining the wagon.
It is hard for me to explain why this sequence of posts bothers me so much and I'm worried I'm not communication it well. But I think the best way to describe it is this:
1. DP is ostensibly lean scum reading Ninja
2. Dannflor comes along and writes a big wall case on Ninja that is generally well received
3. Ninja has an optically bad initial reaction to the case
4. several other players come to a quick similar conclusion that ninja looks like scum
given that series of events would you expect town!DP to
A. vote Ninja
or
B. make a series of posts justifying his continuing scum read while simultaneously giving Ninja the benefit of the doubt
furthermore I feel like 421 immediately followed up by 422 are overly explanatory about why he doesn't feel comfortable voting Ninja yet
generally i just get the vibe from DP of trying to present themselves as overly reasonable which i think is a common scum tactic. plus i think if Ninja is town his hesitant reaction to my push - almost trying to play the middle - is the most likely position for scum to be taking up
You're overlooking a key possibility here, though: Darth disliked the case because it was, in fact, a bad case. If you're leaning town on me, wouldn't that naturally lead you to realize that you made a bad case, and thus anyone else who came away with that reaction shouldn't be suspicious of it?
I would argue that since the case is bad, the people who you should be suspecting ought to be the exact opposite of what you're arguing right now. If the case is bad, should that not make you feel BETTER about Darth, who doubted it, and WORSE about oats / gob / Hu tao, who seemed to accept it without much thought? (Vivax did this also)
I felt like after I really sunk my teeth into what you were saying, that's what revealed all of the feels-based stuff, the poor logic and what not. Frankly I'd love to see your response to all of my "why did you think X considering that Y is true" but I think people are too exhausted by my post, including maybe you, which I guess I have to accept lol.
Tldr it just seems like if you're backing off of your case, the logical thing to do would be to feel good about those who disliked the case you yourself abandoned and feel worse about those who just accepted it outright. I know I for one am now more leery of everyone who jumped on the bandwagon.
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